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 Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:57 pm
Kefka-Daisuki-Desu! LunarSchemer Ryushikaze LunarSchemer Silent-Dreamer025 well luckily for us Square-enix has been pawning that whole "essay" with its tenth anniversary items, its new reunion files and before I forget Crisis Core pawnd her the most  take this for word  I like FF_G p:< She's a sweetie. :]Surely, you jest. No, not at all. O_O; I'm actually a part of the Cleris Forums. Not because I'm a fan of the pairing, but because I'm open to new ideas, and I support a Cloti/Cleris alliance.
She's been nice to me, so I don't see where all the "hate" for her is coming from. ^^;
She can be biased some times, but like Pink said~ Aren't we all a little biased some times? : X And even if some of her ideas are biased, it's not reason to dislike her as a person. Why? Is she mean or something? O_O Is Destiny Fufilled her website? x'D I've briefly looked through that. : X I didn't like it, of course.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:08 pm
WOW guys, I just saw her site. Quote: You want the truth behind the FFVII "love triangle"? On one side is tons of evidence and facts; on the other side there is nothing but opinions, personal inferences, and petty scraps. The simple truth behind the so-called "love triangle" of FFVII is that Cloud and Aerith are the true and intended couple of FFVII. Another simple truth is that there is no real evidence to support Cloud and Tifa. Now, before you get all pissy, please read everything... That really is quite a terrible statement. O_x; The topic shouldn't be about Destiny Fufilled, but rather this site. Her essays are really just. Epic fail. D; I did get a good lulz though. That we have no evidence and facts. :] Quote: Losing the will to live- Why would Cloud lose his will to live if he had something or someone worth living for? Tifa says herself that Cloud has chosen not to fight and was going to "give up and die". If Cloud truly loved Tifa, she would have been enough motivation for him to fight to live. This point alone is enough proof that there is nothing romantic going on between Cloud and Tifa. Honestly, Cloud does not begin to regain hope again in AC until he meets Aerith. The turning point for Cloud in AC is after his first meeting with Aerith, after which he learns that she never truly left him at all. It is only at the end of the movie, after seeing Aerith smiling back at him, that Cloud realizes that he is not alone anymore. Cloud lost the will to live--- and Tifa makes him miserable? rofl Some-one skimmed over the Ultimania. : O Hell, you don't even need the Ultimania to figure out that Tifa makes Cloud happy. rolleyes
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:18 pm
I think what she means by making Cloud 'happy' is in a romantic sense. I mean it would be stupid to say that Tifa didnt make Cloud happy because she does. Just like friends and family <3 That's always has always will be my perception of teh cloti relationship. But anyways I agree with the fact that Cloud did lose 'his will to live' in AC but it's his friends, Tifa Aerith and Zack in particular who made him want to keep on living.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:38 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. I think what she means by making Cloud 'happy' is in a romantic sense. I mean it would be stupid to say that Tifa didnt make Cloud happy because she does. Just like friends and family <3 That's always has always will be my perception of teh cloti relationship. But anyways I agree with the fact that Cloud did lose 'his will to live' in AC but it's his friends, Tifa Aerith and Zack in particular who made him want to keep on living.
Also, I disagree. Cloud did not lose his will to live. What he lost was his confidence in himself. He felt responsible for failing to protect his friends in the past, and was worried that he would lose the source of his happiness- Tifa and the Children- in a similar fashion. But he also felt powerless to do anything about it- or worse, that he would screw things up further by his presence- which is why he left, in a misguided attempt to divert the threat away from them. The big moral of FF7AC isn't about the will to live, but the will to fight that which you want to protect. Better to try and possibly fail than to never try at all.
As for why the dislike of FFG... it's not just the website, though it is a tawdry piece of nonsense and the new one is shaping up no better, though it's partly symptomatic of an underlying problem- what seems to be a complete and utter lack of intellectual honesty. There's also that she tries to put on a brave face in front of her cronies, but is too cowardly to debate in the open, instead putting down the opposition from the safety of her board, in which arguing against C/A is grounds for banning.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:13 pm
Ryushikaze .[.pink.spider.]. I think what she means by making Cloud 'happy' is in a romantic sense. I mean it would be stupid to say that Tifa didnt make Cloud happy because she does. Just like friends and family <3 That's always has always will be my perception of teh cloti relationship. But anyways I agree with the fact that Cloud did lose 'his will to live' in AC but it's his friends, Tifa Aerith and Zack in particular who made him want to keep on living.
Also, I disagree. Cloud did not lose his will to live. What he lost was his confidence in himself. He felt responsible for failing to protect his friends in the past, and was worried that he would lose the source of his happiness- Tifa and the Children- in a similar fashion. But he also felt powerless to do anything about it- or worse, that he would screw things up further by his presence- which is why he left, in a misguided attempt to divert the threat away from them. The big moral of FF7AC isn't about the will to live, but the will to fight that which you want to protect. Better to try and possibly fail than to never try at all.
As for why the dislike of FFG... it's not just the website, though it is a tawdry piece of nonsense and the new one is shaping up no better, though it's partly symptomatic of an underlying problem- what seems to be a complete and utter lack of intellectual honesty. There's also that she tries to put on a brave face in front of her cronies, but is too cowardly to debate in the open, instead putting down the opposition from the safety of her board, in which arguing against C/A is grounds for banning.The two things about her site that upset me the most, was not only the rude introduction--- but the ANTI Cloti section of her site. Making banners against Cloti, mocking the relationship and the supporters of the relationship. I think it's odd, that even though she's thirty she is failing to handle things in a mature manner. :/ If rabid Clotis were flaming her--- I wonder why. She comes off as quite rude in the site, and she has a whole Anti-page that demeans Tifa's character, and fans of the pair. She tells "rabid" Clotis to "grow the ******** up", and yet she posts all of these Anti-banners, and tells viewers "not to get pissy" over her opinion. Shouldn't she follow her own advice. :/
She claims to like Tifa, but then posts up something like this:
And that's so much more mature than the "rabids" she claims fill most of the Cloti fandom. -angreh- She says she has no problems with Cloti's that are civilized--- so why does she think we won't be offended by things like that? :/
I agree with you, Ryu. Cloud never lost the will to live, but rather his confidence.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:23 pm
..........................Damn, just looking at those Anti-Cloti banners makes me want to throw up......they could at LEAST make better ones! No creativity whatsoever! The phrases are just so stupid and really just show how rabid those fools are. Good grief.....some people are so two-faced.
And perfectly said Ryu! biggrin You know...personally I'm glad that you're on our side because it'd be terrible to debate against you. sweatdrop Plus, your bolded text is intimidating.
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Truthiness3x4 Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:31 am
I'm sure FF_Goddess is an alright person but like Lunar said I don't like the way she handled her website. She seems more anti-CloTi than pro-Clerith from my impression. But both side has crazy rabids, (Remember kids, CloTi isn't the same as Clito).
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:55 am
That's right. Clito is a "race" all it's own. rolleyes
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:21 pm
hehe well I know quite a few 20+ clotis who are pretty hypocritical and immature *cough*
YOU DONT INTIMIDATE ME RYU >D!
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:15 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. hehe well I know quite a few 20+ clotis who are pretty hypocritical and immature *cough* YOU DONT INTIMIDATE ME RYU >D! You know a few 20+? x'D
Any way, this isn't a war to see which side has more rabids, Pink. And Ryu isn't TRYING to intimidate you, either. I've seen tons of rabids on BOTH sides.
The Anti-Cloti banners were just... so stupid. :/ Such a dumb thing to do.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:00 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. hehe well I know quite a few 20+ clotis who are pretty hypocritical and immature *cough* YOU DONT INTIMIDATE ME RYU >D!
Still standard disclaimers do apply. No quarter given, none expected. "Because I'm Mean" does not excuse you from providing evidence to support your claims, yadda yadda yadda.
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:15 pm
When I said 20+ I meant as in age xD I know quite a few clotis who are older then 20 and have the mindset of a 14 year old boy.
Have you seen some of the anti aerith/clerith banners out there? : / 10 times more disguisting. The anti cloti ones I find are more sarcastic/a joke but alot of the anti clerith ones are violent and wrong!
Whatever Sir. You sound like the nutrient label on a cereal box. : O
Any evidence you want I can give it to you. But please talk to me like a human being and not a cereal box. I dont talk to inanimate objects.
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:29 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. When I said 20+ I meant as in age xD I know quite a few clotis who are older then 20 and have the mindset of a 14 year old boy.
Have you seen some of the anti aerith/clerith banners out there? : / 10 times more disguisting. The anti cloti ones I find are more sarcastic/a joke but alot of the anti clerith ones are violent and wrong!
Whatever Sir. You sound like the nutrient label on a cereal box. : O
Any evidence you want I can give it to you. But please talk to me like a human being and not a cereal box. I dont talk to inanimate objects. Ah, I see. Well, I've seen a lot of Cleris fans who act the same, ;D. This all leads back to the fact that both sides are going to have immature people.
I've seen a few Anti-Cleris things, but not many. Have any to show? I really haven't seen any, even while I was at StrifeHeart. xD It seems that even THEY had the decency to not make ridiculous banners such as these. And, it doesn't make sense. If you respect intelligent Clotis as people, as well as Tifa as a character--- then WHY would you post/male something as stupid as those things? :/ (There were others on the page that I didn't post, btw)
Psh, I'd hardly call those sarcastic. Sarcasm takes wit, last time I checked. rofl
Let's say those banners are made by an Anti Cloti Anti Tifa person. Still, it gives them no right. I mean, I see it as defacing art, or editing it in a "harmful" way. If the banners had actually made sense, been said sarcastic, then that would be a different story. Sadly, they are nothing but immature. I don't see why you would try defending such creations.
For example, I dislike Rinoa's character with a burning passion. Do I deface FMV screenshots of her, and post them for shits and giggles? No. That would be completely asinine.
And if I did post something, at least it'd be clever. P:<
And what is sicker than Oppress the Clotis?
That's making fun of a serious event, that is actually a very touchy subject to some people with what--- ACTUAL SOULS?
About Ryu being a cereal box--- what I inferred by that, is that you see him as an object that gives information--- is monotone, and perhaps .. boring and robotic?
I like Ryu. A lot. I don't see him as any of those things, but rather as an intelligent individual who like most of us here, prefer facts oppose to "symbolisms".
He is a person who provides logical and ethical information--- and calling him a hypocrite is wrong. :/
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:22 am
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:50 pm
I must say, your standards for anti-C/A images is rather loose, seeing as you included the Vectron Studios FF7/ Biohazard crossover image and my sig based off of it, seeing as it's not LTD related in the least, and I wear it because the concept of Aerith coming back as an Umbrella Zombie brings me a chuckle.
Which is partly the point. Yes, there's some leave of maturity at times- and why not, the LTD is a pasttime. It's a break from the real world- but there is never, from me or most of the 'c/t' side I associate with, intellectual dishonesty. There are truckloads from the cxa forum and destiny fulfilled crew.
That's the difference. Intellectual honesty and conclusions derived from the evidence V Loads of Logical fallacies and intellectually dishonest thinking coupled with seeking evidence to prove a desired conclusion.
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