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buzzkid24

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:09 pm


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buzzkid24
SCREW THAT!!!!!!

I don't think Nymphie should be the owner of the guild anymore.

I think we should go buy a different guild and SHOW Nymphie how democratic a guild CAN be.

SO, who's going to go DO something about this. I mean, I see people typing and typing and typing and typing some more, complaining, and bitching, and pointing out flaws. But I haven't seen ONE person doing something about it.

If you guys have this big a problem with Nymphie being in charge then I think we should move to a different guild where things ARE democratic. Because I don't think Nymphie is going to be all "OK, I mean, if you guys say so, then I'm going to change my entire personality".

So, who has 20K or a guild we can use?


I was thinking about making another guild... but I am broke... emo
You have NO gold? That sucks.

rofl Sorry, that emote caught my attention, and I HAD to use it... it has NOTHING to do with this post, I promise.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:26 pm



Holy jeezus.
Amazing that so much more drama happens when the crew tries to do something that will, for a time, possibly MINIMIZE the drama.

I'm seriously on the fence with this.
I do NOT get involved in drama, so I'm not taking sides.
What I think we need to do it thing rationally about this. o_o; We need to have a guild-wide decision vote about what we're going to do.
Maybe the crew forum won't be private anymore.
We SHOULD try new things. Maybe we'll find they work.
If they don't - at least we gave it a shot.

We shouldn't be attacking one said person. Things just sorta happened the way they did, no one can control what happened with those mules.
It'd be really drastic to move to ANOTHER guild, guys. gonk
C'mon, we can work this out if we set aside our opinions and try to work together. o_o;

We've waded through so much s**t since since the SG started. We've been through things like this before - we can do it again.
We need to stop thinking drastic and think about making it better for everyone.
This may be falling on deaf ears, but I don't (and I know a lot of you don't) want to see this happen. We're falling apart again.
I love you guys, and this entire situation is like watching a once prosperous family suddenly ripping eachother apart.

Um... yeah. o_o; I just felt like I needed to say that.

Wrendraith


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:29 pm


Ugh.

No new guild.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:00 pm


buzzkid24
So, who has 20K or a guild we can use?


No thanks. x-x; You can just have ownership transfered.

@Wrennie: lulz. I understand the fence thing. Its just I'm ticked off with poor decision making, people answering without reading the questions, and not thinking of all options before doing something. If complaining and arguing with the one person responsible is the only way, I'll do it if it gets things fixed. XD;;

Hirun Hikari


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:03 pm


(Me, not anyome else's opinion in the following post.)

I'm not saying Nymphie is incompetent. I am just saying that closing the guild isn't dealing with anything. That's as far as I go. I also suggested a Public Crew forum, instead of a Private.

We don't need a new guild. Just fix the one we have.

That's about it comming from me.

@Lexii - Well, I think now we'll remember to change the GM mule's password each round. Hehe. Maybe the game just shouldn't be run out of the GM Account. Use it to post updates/important threads. That's it. No sensitive information on the account, such as sniper/ck kills and the Position stuff. That all could stay on the GM (Whoever is running the game)'s account.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:09 pm


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buzzkid24
SCREW THAT!!!!!!

I don't think Nymphie should be the owner of the guild anymore.

I think we should go buy a different guild and SHOW Nymphie how democratic a guild CAN be.

SO, who's going to go DO something about this. I mean, I see people typing and typing and typing and typing some more, complaining, and bitching, and pointing out flaws. But I haven't seen ONE person doing something about it.

If you guys have this big a problem with Nymphie being in charge then I think we should move to a different guild where things ARE democratic. Because I don't think Nymphie is going to be all "OK, I mean, if you guys say so, then I'm going to change my entire personality".

So, who has 20K or a guild we can use?
This just shows how ignorant you are.

I have 40k, enough money to buy TWO guilds. And I just repossessed my old guild, so I have a free guild. But I'm not going to lend any of that to this cause. Why? Because, like I said before, democracy doesn't work in guilds.

Democracy didn't work in this(the first sniper game) guild. It didn't work in the second sniper guild.
It didn't work in my guild.
News flash, guys.
If democracy didn't work for TWO YEARS of me actively trying to GET DEMOCRACY TO WORK, it's NOT going to work.

Much less will it work with someone who has no leadership skills.

I am appalled you guys do not trust Nymphie or at least respect her decision.

If you truly believe starting your own guild is going to be that easy, or that it's going to fix all your problems, then go ahead and go, as you probably weren't a great piece of the sniper game community to begin with.

[Q]

Elder


Hirun Hikari

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:23 pm


[Q]
User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.This just shows how ignorant you are.

I have 40k, enough money to buy TWO guilds. And I just repossessed my old guild, so I have a free guild. But I'm not going to lend any of that to this cause. Why? Because, like I said before, democracy doesn't work in guilds.

Democracy didn't work in this(the first sniper game) guild. It didn't work in the second sniper guild.
It didn't work in my guild.
News flash, guys.
If democracy didn't work for TWO YEARS of me actively trying to GET DEMOCRACY TO WORK, it's NOT going to work.

Much less will it work with someone who has no leadership skills.

I am appalled you guys do not trust Nymphie or at least respect her decision.

If you truly believe starting your own guild is going to be that easy, or that it's going to fix all your problems, then go ahead and go, as you probably weren't a great piece of the sniper game community to begin with.


Okay, I can understand the "I'm not lending". I'm not doing that either. We don't need to move. There is a feature for switching guild leaders.

I can understand the "guild not easy not going to fix problems", you're right. It won't. We need to fix the old one.

What I do not get is the "Democracy didn't work in the old guild or the new guild". Where did it not work right in the old guild? Point it out for me so I understand.

I do not respect her decision or Nymphie because things were done without asking, people were barred because of personal opinions with rules added, and this whole closing thing, while it isn't getting lifted, isn't really helping the problem.

All its doing is putting it off, angering a bunch of people, and no where near solving the problem. Instead of getting help, this is one person's way of doing things themself.

I see the idea behind the decision, but A) It wasn't the only freaking option, and B) it won't work anyway.

buzzkid24
SO, who's going to go DO something about this. I mean, I see people typing and typing and typing and typing some more, complaining, and bitching, and pointing out flaws. But I haven't seen ONE person doing something about it.

If you guys have this big a problem with Nymphie being in charge then I think we should move to a different guild where things ARE democratic. Because I don't think Nymphie is going to be all "OK, I mean, if you guys say so, then I'm going to change my entire personality".


This is, miraculously, where I agree with [Q]. That post was really ignorant, Buzz. Sure. We're typing, complaining, bitching, and pointing out flaws.

What you're failing to see here is that people ARE doing something.

Tell me Buzz, if you don't see that a problem is there, how the hell can you fix it?

I'm not hating Nymphie being in charge. I'm hating her stubbornness. I'm hating the inability to see other options. I'm hating the fact that no one goes to a moderator when things like the Sin Incident happen or when we have to move a thread to an obscure area and have everyone there learn positions rather than just delete the thing. I'm hating the fact that people make fun jokes at others expense in hidden areas.

I'm hating the fact that as guild members, we don't get to help decide the rules that we follow.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:52 pm


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.I'm slightly pissed off by things other than what's going on in this thread. I'm trying to be unbiased here, but if I come off as edgy, sorry.

If I remember correctly, Zae left this guild and just randomly made whomever the vice captains and/or crew. At that point, the VCs tried to allow everyone in on everything, but any decision was either not made because not everyone could agree, or if a decision was made, it was an extremely slow one to make.

Also, at the point where I "ruined it" and contacted Zae, we were all having much unneeded drama and couldn't accurately handle it because we couldn't punish people - because everyone had to agree on the punishment. So people were just going willy-nilly over how far across the line they wanted to go.

In the new guild where Nymphie is captain, we had a partial democracy. There's still unneeded drama and harrassment, but ultimately, is it better or worse?
Isn't there less drama than before? And also, aren't decisions made faster, and for the most part, correctly made?
I'd think so.

As everyone should be well aware by now, I think closing the guild is helping/will help, because it finally gives us the ability to punish harrassers. If you're so sure that closing the guild isn't going to help, or that there were - as you say - other ways, enlighten me. I'm sure Nymphie would like to hear these other options you're so certain exist, too.

How are we supposed to take care of the harrassers?

Yes- contacting a real gaia moderator would solve any PM harrassment. But why are we blaming the crew or Nymphie for not contacting a gaia mod? Isn't it the people who are being harrassed - isn't it their job to contact a mod, about it? Through proper reporting channels?
Last I heard, it wasn't the crew's job to report everything you could've reported yourself to the Gaia Mods in proxy for you.

[Q]

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:25 pm


buzzkid246 (3:53:43 PM): BY THE WAY!!!!
NymmieRocks (3:53:46 PM): At Payless
buzzkid246 (3:53:55 PM): I was being COMPLETELY sarcastic in that post.
buzzkid246 (3:54:24 PM): EXCEPT if it does work then you don't have to worry no more

Yeah, that post was just a joke. But it's good to see what people think of me. Not that I care what Q thinks of me that much, since I'm retarded and such.

I happen to have 50K here, if I had wanted to start a new guild I would have. But if you guys would seriously think that I would turn on a friend like that, then you don't know me at all, and you have NO ******** right to judge me.

I don't completely agree with Nymphies decision, but only because I didn't want to be banned from the guild. I didn't want to have to find another place to hang out. And it's during a weekend, so I had NOTHING else to do. SELFISH reasons, that's why I didn't agree completely, BUT I did agree that it should have been done.

I think I like my new ignorant status a lot more than my sarcastic one. I'm glad Q and Hirun have me all figured out.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:47 pm


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Hey buzz, sarcasm only works if you deliver it correctly. rolleyes

You should be happy we listen to you at all. rolleyes
(Oh hey, that last line- it was SARCASM!)

[Q]

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:00 pm


I expected you guys to be all "Buzz wouldn't do that to Nymphie". BUT, I was wrong... emo

SORRY GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really DON'T want to start a secret guild and overthrow one of the only people I hang out with IRL. emo

And I love Q.

I don't remember which parts were sarcasm... sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:02 pm


buzzkid24
I expected you guys to be all "Buzz wouldn't do that to Nymphie". BUT, I was wrong... emo

SORRY GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really DON'T want to start a secret guild and overthrow one of the only people I hang out with IRL. emo

And I love Q.

I don't remember which parts were sarcasm... sweatdrop


Does that mean you hate me? :<

Hirun Hikari


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:03 pm


As a reminder - the mass ban was not ONLY my decision. I didnt just one day say "I'm going to mass ban them all biggrin " I had the idea ages ago and brought it up with crew. We decided not to do it because it was too extreme and decided to try other things instead. Nothing worked and so finally we decided to do this. Druki, Ezzy, Phoe, and Insom all agreed with it.

Shoy
... Why the did the crew know who was what the 2nd day of the game anyways? You all were playing. You didn't need to know that because nothing happened. I remember the person made the thread "SO AND SO AND THIS GUY ARE SUSPICIOUS," but nothing happened as a result of that.
Because Pixie reported it. This isnt the first time Crew has known roles during the game. With this, we didnt know how far the mule would go. We knew who they were, banned them right away, and luckily it ended there, as far as we know.

Shoy
Hint Nymphie: To deal with the harassment, Go to a REAL MOD
Its not my place. If the people harassed wish to contact a real mod they can. If they dont want to, then I certainly am not going to do it against their will. And I wont just say "tell a real mod or get over it" Its just not me. If someone needs help I'll do all I can to help them. I'm not going to sit back and let them keep on being hurt.

Hirun
Moving to a new guild was democratic. Everyone voted that we needed the ability to move for stickies, announcements, and moderation so we can survive without Zaeyde.
I remember it as most people not wanting to switch guilds, and wanting to make the old guild work, then I said screw that, give the new guild a chance, made a new guild and started the new game there. Since the guild tends to follow, you all followed, a majority following reluctantly.

Hirun
Dude. Nymphie. There is a small "X" button at the bottom of every topic for all guild mods, along with a small lock, and an arrow. Also, a small edit button next to every post.

They are wonderful tools. Useful tools. Why, you could use the X and delete the whole topic! OH! But wait! You could use the small EDIT button in combination with the LOCK to remove sensitive information and delete the topic!

What I'm trying to point out, which has been blatantly obvious the whole time, is that there ARE other things we can do, but you're dancing around them! Having a second private crew would DEFEAT THE PURPOSE of having the other open. Everyone in crew would just move into the hidden one to harrass everyone behind their backs like the Sin thing.
I dont get what you're talking about with the edit, lock, and delete buttons.

And since when do we harass people behind their backs? We do talk about people behind their backs. We do rant. Sometimes you need to let it out. If we didnt rant somewhere we would go crazy. Holding things inside - Bad, bad, bad. We would just get angry and irrational if we didnt have a way to let it out.

I didnt read the screenshot Eikichi posted until now. And I see how it looks bad. So let me clarify.

Sin couldnt be a mod. She gets harassed the most. She reports someone for harassment almost every other week. With so many people harassing her, if she was in crew, she would have to think of how to reprimand them for harassing her. And of course she would be biased because it would be about her. Thats why Sin cant be crew. Its not Sin herself. If people didnt harass her so much she could be crew. Its just that with the way she's treated, it would just not work.

Dukes - he edited posts without permission when he was GM. It would be stupid to let someone who we know from experience will abuse power, to be in position of power.

I didnt mention that in crew when I said they shouldnt be mods. Because crew already knows all that so there was no need to mention it.

Yes having a private crew and a public crew wouldnt really work. But we have game issues. We knew Q was sniper mid game. We knew Monkey, Wren, and Otakkun had roles in the beginning of a game. And you would all know these things too if crew were public.

Hirun
Edit: Oh, and how do you know so much? Are you lurking? Cause I seldom see Nymphie posts in the Sniped D. I mean, I see Roy posts in the SG more than yours, and you're saying in Crew that Roy's hardly here.
:/ If you could see into crew you would know the answer to that. I dont post in the D because it bores me most of the time, but I still read most of the threads. I stay in I Am Me, because I'm more interested in that kind of stuff.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:10 pm


I'm going to start by apologizing, because I get blindsided by anger.

With the lock etc stuff, I'm meaning delete the thread, not move it. The roles thing is just that you could just delete the thread or remove the content, or deal with future sensitive information like the mule hacking over PMs.

And I realized the lurking stuff after I posted.

Hirun Hikari


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:17 pm


Hirun Hikari
buzzkid24
I expected you guys to be all "Buzz wouldn't do that to Nymphie". BUT, I was wrong... emo

SORRY GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really DON'T want to start a secret guild and overthrow one of the only people I hang out with IRL. emo

And I love Q.

I don't remember which parts were sarcasm... sweatdrop


Does that mean you hate me? :<
Enough to torture you with no answer. heart
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