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 Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:11 pm
Cabron LaSwan Medeus Cabron LaSwan Medeus The Betman I just get frustrated at all of the ignorance. It's actually great that same sex couples are getting married in New York, but seeing possible internet censorship, one of our presidential candidates thinking that Intelligent Design is something that should be taught in schools? I can't stand that s**t. I just don't understand how people get to be so narrow minded, and forget that we're all human, no matter what race, religion, or sexual orientation. These things are all human rights, and people think that some others shouldn't have them. It bugs the ******** out of me. TL;DR People are ignorant and I hate it. Well...aren't you kinda being ignorant of ignorant people? How is ignorant to teach Intelligent design? Wouldn't it be ignorant to say that Intelligent Design is Not something that Humans believe in? Isn't it a little Narrow Minded to only teach one creation story in schools? Internet Censorship I can level with though, lol. But all the rest....I can't help but notice how narrow minded you are about what's right and wrong, eh? I wouldn't have a problem with them teaching intelligent design as a theory alongside evolution as long as they included every other theory that was ever thought up about the origin of the universe that has any believers whatsoever. In the end, it doesn't really matter how we got here as much as it matters what we're doing now that we're here, so it doesn't really matter what the kids decide to believe as long as it helps them to make decisions that make them happy. It really doesn't matter to you? Huh. Cuz the way I see it, knowing where I came from would have massive implications for the way I live; -If I believe in Evolution, I can basically do whatever instinct tells me to do, and I'll be justified by that, because we came from monkeys, and exercising my ability to do whatever I want is simply a sign of how far our society has come. -But, if I believe in Intelligent design, then I run the risk of becoming accountable for the "wrong" things I do, depending on which Intelligence I believe in. I'm relatively sure that basically every religion that acknowledges an Intelligent Creator also acknowledges the possibility of Life after Death, and the idea that our actions in This life will affect our state in the next. In that case, I'm pretty sure I would spend a great deal of time ensuring the best possible results for the next life, or in the very least, wondering if said Intelligent Creator is watching, wondering if I were being punished for wrongs, or wondering if there's a way to get greater rewards in This life for the things I do, or do not do. Make sense? I mean, you're right, students can (and should) choose whatever makes them happy, but you're wrong when you say that it doesn't really matter where we come from. If that were the case, why teach anything on the subject at all? The options you present are basically live by your own rules and live in fear of judgment; when you word it that way, I might actually have to argue against teaching intelligent design because it might make all our kids think poorly of themselves for having completely natural thoughts and desires that don't stack up to somebody else's standards.
You're right though; why teach anything at all? I'm not against teaching nothing either. Who the ******** cares how we got here? Is it doing us any good to know? What could we be doing with this time we're wasting arguing about how we got here if we had no idea and didn't care? I bet we'd all be enjoying ourselves much more in this moment doing something we actually liked instead of trying to get others to see our inconsequential point of view.
On that note, I'm hungry. I'm gonna go give in to my primitive monkey impulses because I'll enjoy it more than sitting at this chair and typing. Lol You do that. razz
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:13 pm
Medeus The Betman Medeus The Betman Medeus Well...aren't you kinda being ignorant of ignorant people? How is ignorant to teach Intelligent design? Wouldn't it be ignorant to say that Intelligent Design is Not something that Humans believe in? Isn't it a little Narrow Minded to only teach one creation story in schools? Internet Censorship I can level with though, lol. But all the rest....I can't help but notice how narrow minded you are about what's right and wrong, eh? First off, you're going to have to explain how I'm ignorant of ignorant people. That one doesn't really make sense to me. And I'm not saying Intelligent Design is something that humans don't believe in. I'm saying there's a difference between putting science in school and putting the bible in school. IMO, we should be teaching what science finds to be the most objective and reasonable explanation to how the universe began, and how humans came to be. To me, evolution explains that. And I do have weird issues with the Big Bang and all that, because no matter what, something had to come from nothing. But I don't think that some larger being created us in his image to love him, and then gave us free will not to. The world makes more sense to me in terms of 'If there is some higher being out there, he's not looking down at us. He's busy playing intergalactic ping pong'. I can't believe in a benevolent god because of all the suffering in the world, be it disease, starvation, or what have you. Just doesn't make sense. lol Normally I would have a field day expressing how Un-scientific Evolution really tends to be, or at least the way it's taught. But I'll fore-go that tirade and ask you this; You're very arrogant when you claim to know whats best for Humanity. I'm not saying Suffering is a good thing, but it's a result of our Brokenness, not God's failure to comply. The fact is, there is brokenness in the world, and Evolution doesn't explain it either, does it? If we're rapidly evolving into a greater society, why haven't we improved on that front? My question to you, then, is Why would you choose to ignore a God who died so that You could be free from the brokenness? Why would you rather flounder in the suffering by yourself, with no hope for something better, over a God who said that he Loved you before time was even a thing, over a God who promised freedom, and who wants to Lavish gifts on you like you've never even imagined? If I told you that you were Loved, would you rather believe it, and be comforted, or choose Not to believe it, and continue on suffering alone? I'm not saying that I know what's best for humanity. I just personally think that Intelligent Design is something that should be saved for the pews, not the desks. Evolution is something that takes place over many years. Humans are getting more intelligent, we're becoming taller on average. Evolution is something that rapidly happens. But sure, forget the evolution tidbit. How do I know that there was some God who died for my sins? The Bible is great, and I'm sure that it has some good stories and suggestions on how to live a moral life. But I'm comforted by the ones I can see, who I love and am loved in return by. If I'm loved my some giant eternal being out there, born of benevolence and love, he sure has a funny way of showing it. I'm glad for what I have, and I'm not suffering alone. I have my family, my girlfriend, my pets... I just choose to believe in what humanity can be. I don't need a higher authority. Do you submit to higher authority anywhere? Don't you have parents that you once submitted to? Don't you submit to enforcers of the Law (like it or not lol)? Don't you have a Boss where you work? Are you really so full of pride that you refuse to submit to any higher authority already present in your life? You also realize the risk you're taking? If there really is a "Higher Authority" up there, than he could very well be casting judgment on you, even now, for standing above him, saying "I am too good for God". If there is no proof of a higher authority, why should I believe in one? If there's no proof of a God, why should I submit to a 2000 year old book that wasn't even written by God or his supposed son? I don't think there's a risk I'm taking. If there is a benevolent god, why would he throw any of his so loved children into some lake of hellfire? Doesn't make sense to me.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:14 pm
Cabron LaSwan Wantcookie Medeus Wantcookie Medeus Well...aren't you kinda being ignorant of ignorant people? How is ignorant to teach Intelligent design? Wouldn't it be ignorant to say that Intelligent Design is Not something that Humans believe in? Isn't it a little Narrow Minded to only teach one creation story in schools? Internet Censorship I can level with though, lol. But all the rest....I can't help but notice how narrow minded you are about what's right and wrong, eh? No, sir. Intelligent Design may be taught. I was taught a lot of the basics of Hindu and Muslim beliefs in school, it was all part of a cultural thing. But you do not, DO NOT teach Intelligent Design and call it Science.You know there's actually no Proof of evolution? I mean, sure there is some evidence to support that it's a pretty good theory, but you have about as much Proof of evolution as you do about God. Want to bet? We've got extensive records of skeletons that date back millions of years. You can honestly trace the similarity of a single bone through aeons and watch it change little by little. We've got genetic samples of well-preserved specimens that detail exactly what changed over time. There are definitive records that humans were much shorter a few hundred years ago. Hell, in the last fifty years alone we have data that details how the average womens' breast sizes have gone up because of what we like to call "selective breeding." No, it's not set in stone because we won't really know until millenia have passed and we can see for ourselves how the human race has changed. But are you really going to look me in the eye and claim we haven't got proof? Exactly! My favorite example in human DNA is that of sickle-cell anemia as an adaptation to immunity from malaria. biggrin
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:15 pm
Wantcookie Medeus Wantcookie Medeus Wantcookie Medeus Well...aren't you kinda being ignorant of ignorant people? How is ignorant to teach Intelligent design? Wouldn't it be ignorant to say that Intelligent Design is Not something that Humans believe in? Isn't it a little Narrow Minded to only teach one creation story in schools? Internet Censorship I can level with though, lol. But all the rest....I can't help but notice how narrow minded you are about what's right and wrong, eh? No, sir. Intelligent Design may be taught. I was taught a lot of the basics of Hindu and Muslim beliefs in school, it was all part of a cultural thing. But you do not, DO NOT teach Intelligent Design and call it Science.You know there's actually no Proof of evolution? I mean, sure there is some evidence to support that it's a pretty good theory, but you have about as much Proof of evolution as you do about God. Want to bet? We've got extensive records of skeletons that date back millions of years. You can honestly trace the similarity of a single bone through aeons and watch it change little by little. We've got genetic samples of well-preserved specimens that detail exactly what changed over time. There are definitive records that humans were much shorter a few hundred years ago. Hell, in the last fifty years alone we have data that details how the average womens' breast sizes have gone up because of what we like to call "selective breeding." No, it's not set in stone because we won't really know until millenia have passed and we can see for ourselves how the human race has changed. But are you really going to look me in the eye and claim we haven't got proof? Yep. You have no proof. You have evidence, but not proof. Yep. Neither do you. In fact, you've got less evidence by far. Lol it's funny that you think that for how well you know me sir. Point is, niether of us can state, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that either theory is absolutely, finitely True. If that's really the case, then I don't see why both theories shouldn't be equally taught as Theories in a public setting, eh? Since that's all they are on both sides.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:16 pm
Besides, I'm all the higher authority Max needs. cool
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:18 pm
Medeus Wantcookie Medeus Wantcookie Medeus You know there's actually no Proof of evolution? I mean, sure there is some evidence to support that it's a pretty good theory, but you have about as much Proof of evolution as you do about God. Want to bet? We've got extensive records of skeletons that date back millions of years. You can honestly trace the similarity of a single bone through aeons and watch it change little by little. We've got genetic samples of well-preserved specimens that detail exactly what changed over time. There are definitive records that humans were much shorter a few hundred years ago. Hell, in the last fifty years alone we have data that details how the average womens' breast sizes have gone up because of what we like to call "selective breeding." No, it's not set in stone because we won't really know until millenia have passed and we can see for ourselves how the human race has changed. But are you really going to look me in the eye and claim we haven't got proof? Yep. You have no proof. You have evidence, but not proof. Yep. Neither do you. In fact, you've got less evidence by far. Lol it's funny that you think that for how well you know me sir. Point is, niether of us can state, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that either theory is absolutely, finitely True. If that's really the case, then I don't see why both theories shouldn't be equally taught as Theories in a public setting, eh? Since that's all they are on both sides. I dunno, man, your biggest claim to fame is an outdated book that uses circular logic to claim the existence of a higher being. Give me some factual evidence. I'm sure you've got something.
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:20 pm
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:21 pm
I_love_Inuyasha1 [imgmrstork]http://rumplo.s3.amazonaws.com/images/tees/0000/7462/7462-0.jpg[/imgDUMBOOOO] baby
y u no oversized elephant ears?
THIS ISN'T CANON
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:24 pm
The Betman Medeus The Betman Medeus The Betman Medeus Well...aren't you kinda being ignorant of ignorant people? How is ignorant to teach Intelligent design? Wouldn't it be ignorant to say that Intelligent Design is Not something that Humans believe in? Isn't it a little Narrow Minded to only teach one creation story in schools? Internet Censorship I can level with though, lol. But all the rest....I can't help but notice how narrow minded you are about what's right and wrong, eh? First off, you're going to have to explain how I'm ignorant of ignorant people. That one doesn't really make sense to me. And I'm not saying Intelligent Design is something that humans don't believe in. I'm saying there's a difference between putting science in school and putting the bible in school. IMO, we should be teaching what science finds to be the most objective and reasonable explanation to how the universe began, and how humans came to be. To me, evolution explains that. And I do have weird issues with the Big Bang and all that, because no matter what, something had to come from nothing. But I don't think that some larger being created us in his image to love him, and then gave us free will not to. The world makes more sense to me in terms of 'If there is some higher being out there, he's not looking down at us. He's busy playing intergalactic ping pong'. I can't believe in a benevolent god because of all the suffering in the world, be it disease, starvation, or what have you. Just doesn't make sense. lol Normally I would have a field day expressing how Un-scientific Evolution really tends to be, or at least the way it's taught. But I'll fore-go that tirade and ask you this; You're very arrogant when you claim to know whats best for Humanity. I'm not saying Suffering is a good thing, but it's a result of our Brokenness, not God's failure to comply. The fact is, there is brokenness in the world, and Evolution doesn't explain it either, does it? If we're rapidly evolving into a greater society, why haven't we improved on that front? My question to you, then, is Why would you choose to ignore a God who died so that You could be free from the brokenness? Why would you rather flounder in the suffering by yourself, with no hope for something better, over a God who said that he Loved you before time was even a thing, over a God who promised freedom, and who wants to Lavish gifts on you like you've never even imagined? If I told you that you were Loved, would you rather believe it, and be comforted, or choose Not to believe it, and continue on suffering alone? I'm not saying that I know what's best for humanity. I just personally think that Intelligent Design is something that should be saved for the pews, not the desks. Evolution is something that takes place over many years. Humans are getting more intelligent, we're becoming taller on average. Evolution is something that rapidly happens. But sure, forget the evolution tidbit. How do I know that there was some God who died for my sins? The Bible is great, and I'm sure that it has some good stories and suggestions on how to live a moral life. But I'm comforted by the ones I can see, who I love and am loved in return by. If I'm loved my some giant eternal being out there, born of benevolence and love, he sure has a funny way of showing it. I'm glad for what I have, and I'm not suffering alone. I have my family, my girlfriend, my pets... I just choose to believe in what humanity can be. I don't need a higher authority. Do you submit to higher authority anywhere? Don't you have parents that you once submitted to? Don't you submit to enforcers of the Law (like it or not lol)? Don't you have a Boss where you work? Are you really so full of pride that you refuse to submit to any higher authority already present in your life? You also realize the risk you're taking? If there really is a "Higher Authority" up there, than he could very well be casting judgment on you, even now, for standing above him, saying "I am too good for God". If there is no proof of a higher authority, why should I believe in one? If there's no proof of a God, why should I submit to a 2000 year old book that wasn't even written by God or his supposed son? I don't think there's a risk I'm taking. If there is a benevolent god, why would he throw any of his so loved children into some lake of hellfire? Doesn't make sense to me. Because there's evidence. wink Actually, the Bible teaches that everybody deserves to be thrown into 'some lake of hellfire'. “There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.” [Romans 3:10-12] And again: " 5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God will repay each person according to what they have done." [Romans 2:5-6] The idea is, Humans have reaped everything they've sown, and the result of their sin, their Godlessness, is brokenness and suffering. Now which is more loving of a Benevolent God: To leave his children to die alone, or to reach out and offer to, not only Save them, but to also Redeem them, Heal them, and Glorify them by taking their place on death row?
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:26 pm
Once there's fire involved... can it really be called a LAKE?
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:27 pm
Wantcookie Medeus Wantcookie Medeus Wantcookie Medeus You know there's actually no Proof of evolution? I mean, sure there is some evidence to support that it's a pretty good theory, but you have about as much Proof of evolution as you do about God. Want to bet? We've got extensive records of skeletons that date back millions of years. You can honestly trace the similarity of a single bone through aeons and watch it change little by little. We've got genetic samples of well-preserved specimens that detail exactly what changed over time. There are definitive records that humans were much shorter a few hundred years ago. Hell, in the last fifty years alone we have data that details how the average womens' breast sizes have gone up because of what we like to call "selective breeding." No, it's not set in stone because we won't really know until millenia have passed and we can see for ourselves how the human race has changed. But are you really going to look me in the eye and claim we haven't got proof? Yep. You have no proof. You have evidence, but not proof. Yep. Neither do you. In fact, you've got less evidence by far. Lol it's funny that you think that for how well you know me sir. Point is, niether of us can state, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that either theory is absolutely, finitely True. If that's really the case, then I don't see why both theories shouldn't be equally taught as Theories in a public setting, eh? Since that's all they are on both sides. I dunno, man, your biggest claim to fame is an outdated book that uses circular logic to claim the existence of a higher being. Give me some factual evidence. I'm sure you've got something. . Not only is the God that the Bible talks about quite Real, but he's also Actively involved with the people who believe in him. I've just linked you to about an hour and a half of documented Evidence. At least watch That video, if not more, and tell me what would be a perfectly reasonable, logical conclusion to come to, for those who were so inclined.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:28 pm
I_love_Inuyasha1 Once there's fire involved... can it really be called a LAKE? 
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:29 pm
I_love_Inuyasha1 Once there's fire involved... can it really be called a LAKE? You really wanna be the one to find out? razz lol
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:29 pm
Medeus The Betman Medeus The Betman Medeus lol Normally I would have a field day expressing how Un-scientific Evolution really tends to be, or at least the way it's taught. But I'll fore-go that tirade and ask you this; You're very arrogant when you claim to know whats best for Humanity. I'm not saying Suffering is a good thing, but it's a result of our Brokenness, not God's failure to comply. The fact is, there is brokenness in the world, and Evolution doesn't explain it either, does it? If we're rapidly evolving into a greater society, why haven't we improved on that front? My question to you, then, is Why would you choose to ignore a God who died so that You could be free from the brokenness? Why would you rather flounder in the suffering by yourself, with no hope for something better, over a God who said that he Loved you before time was even a thing, over a God who promised freedom, and who wants to Lavish gifts on you like you've never even imagined? If I told you that you were Loved, would you rather believe it, and be comforted, or choose Not to believe it, and continue on suffering alone? I'm not saying that I know what's best for humanity. I just personally think that Intelligent Design is something that should be saved for the pews, not the desks. Evolution is something that takes place over many years. Humans are getting more intelligent, we're becoming taller on average. Evolution is something that rapidly happens. But sure, forget the evolution tidbit. How do I know that there was some God who died for my sins? The Bible is great, and I'm sure that it has some good stories and suggestions on how to live a moral life. But I'm comforted by the ones I can see, who I love and am loved in return by. If I'm loved my some giant eternal being out there, born of benevolence and love, he sure has a funny way of showing it. I'm glad for what I have, and I'm not suffering alone. I have my family, my girlfriend, my pets... I just choose to believe in what humanity can be. I don't need a higher authority. Do you submit to higher authority anywhere? Don't you have parents that you once submitted to? Don't you submit to enforcers of the Law (like it or not lol)? Don't you have a Boss where you work? Are you really so full of pride that you refuse to submit to any higher authority already present in your life? You also realize the risk you're taking? If there really is a "Higher Authority" up there, than he could very well be casting judgment on you, even now, for standing above him, saying "I am too good for God". If there is no proof of a higher authority, why should I believe in one? If there's no proof of a God, why should I submit to a 2000 year old book that wasn't even written by God or his supposed son? I don't think there's a risk I'm taking. If there is a benevolent god, why would he throw any of his so loved children into some lake of hellfire? Doesn't make sense to me. Because there's evidence. wink Actually, the Bible teaches that everybody deserves to be thrown into 'some lake of hellfire'. “There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.” [Romans 3:10-12] And again: " 5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God will repay each person according to what they have done." [Romans 2:5-6] The idea is, Humans have reaped everything they've sown, and the result of their sin, their Godlessness, is brokenness and suffering. Now which is more loving of a Benevolent God: To leave his children to die alone, or to reach out and offer to, not only Save them, but to also Redeem them, Heal them, and Glorify them by taking their place on death row? Well, the more loving option of a benevolent god would be to create us as we are, and then not cast us into hellfire after death. If every person deserves to be saved, why aren't we all already saved? And if evidence is what you need, shouldn't you believe in evolution too? You'll smack that down, even with all that science has done to help try and prove it, but the bible is fact? I just don't understand how one can believe in a higher power such as that when there's no real proof to it.
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:38 pm
Medeus Wantcookie Medeus Wantcookie Medeus Yep. You have no proof. You have evidence, but not proof. Yep. Neither do you. In fact, you've got less evidence by far. Lol it's funny that you think that for how well you know me sir. Point is, niether of us can state, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that either theory is absolutely, finitely True. If that's really the case, then I don't see why both theories shouldn't be equally taught as Theories in a public setting, eh? Since that's all they are on both sides. I dunno, man, your biggest claim to fame is an outdated book that uses circular logic to claim the existence of a higher being. Give me some factual evidence. I'm sure you've got something. . Not only is the God that the Bible talks about quite Real, but he's also Actively involved with the people who believe in him. I've just linked you to about an hour and a half of documented Evidence. At least watch That video, if not more, and tell me what would be a perfectly reasonable, logical conclusion to come to, for those who were so inclined. Two minutes in, and already the only things I've seen are stories. Words from people's mouths. Oh, and a good dose of the Placebo Effect. Listen, what I want you to do is dig up hard undeniable evidence, something that I can see for myself and say "yes, that is definitely wholly and irrefutably true." Then we'll talk.
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