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 Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:16 am
Artto Emperor Angelo XXV The reason why it's a choice is simple enough.
Some are naturally born gay, while others chose to be gay for all sorts of reasons. Whether or not that someone chooses to be straight, that is his/her own choice. I actually agree that some people just have a homosexual fetish, but I wouldn't call those true homosexuals. True homosexuality (the need for a relationship and feeling of erotic love for a person of the same sex) is by no means a choice. It's as much a choice as falling in love with someone.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:46 am
Emperor Angelo XXV To me, it's a bit deeper than what you said. A lot of people nowadays tend to confuse love with lust, hence the choices aren't too easy for them to even see, let alone choose. That doesn't have much to do with homosexuality.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:47 am
rmcdra Julri It's kind of like getting plastic surgery. Sure, maybe you don't like your nose, but in the long run it's probably healthier just to accept that that's the nose you were made with and that it's not worth spending a couple thousand dollars to change it. Not necessarily. Plastic surgery is sometimes necessary to help people live healthier lives. Example: Faces that diviate far from the phi mask model tend to have various types of breathing problems. Quote: So, while I wouldn't condemn gay people who did take the drug to turn themselves straight, I personally would never use it, and I would always be saddened by those who did. If there was a drug that would make a straight person gay would you be saddened by them taking it? I was just referring to purely cosmetic and unnecessary surgery, not something that would actually make their lives easier. And, yeah, it was kind of a sucky metaphor, it was just the best I could think of last night.
And, yes, I would object to a straight person taking a drug to make them gay. I don't know, it just seems like your orientation is so much a part of who you are that to try and change it is kind of sad, whether it would be gay to straight or straight to gay.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:52 pm
Artto Emperor Angelo XXV To me, it's a bit deeper than what you said. A lot of people nowadays tend to confuse love with lust, hence the choices aren't too easy for them to even see, let alone choose. That doesn't have much to do with homosexuality.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:10 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV Artto Emperor Angelo XXV To me, it's a bit deeper than what you said. A lot of people nowadays tend to confuse love with lust, hence the choices aren't too easy for them to even see, let alone choose. That doesn't have much to do with homosexuality. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. What do lust and hypersexuality have to do with the topic?
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:37 pm
Julri xxEternallyBluexx I dunno, I just don't really (day)dream about sex....I'm not too worried about it though. As far as I'm concerned I'm hetero, and the Lord will guide me to someone eventually. Besides dating's a hassle and I don't see the point unless you're actually looking to get married. Actually that might be why I really can't understand someone not having a choice... I don't think anyone's implying that gay people can't choose whether or not to date, just as straight people like you can choose to date or not. The thing is, while both gay people and straight people can choose when and who they date, they can't choose the fact that they are gay or straight to begin with. A gay person can't will themselves to be straight anymore than a straight person can will themselves to be gay. It just doesn't work that way. xxEternallyBluexx I think they can. It's been done before, including in my church. I'm rather skeptical of that. Just because they say they've somehow turned straight doesn't mean it's true. Either they've fooled themselves and everyone around them into thinking it's true, or they were just never gay to begin with. xxEternallyBluexx I will come back and discuss this more, but I really do want to do more research first, and read some stuff on it first...sorry. sweatdrop With those verses shot down, I don't have much to work with so I really do have to read more about it first. And those hypochondriacs are sick mentally, so it's an indication something is wrong, even if it isn't physical. I think you missed the point of my hypochondriac metaphor... The thing is, even if a hypochondriac who claims to have cancer does have a mental illness, they still don't have cancer. Keeping this in mind though, it would be silly to suggest that there's no such thing as a person who really, truly does have cancer. Similarly, a straight person who pretends to be gay just to get attention might be weird, but they're not queer, and it doesn't mean that there's no such thing as real gay people. xxEternallyBluexx There is something I want to know, and this is basically a question for everyone-if there was something like a medicine that would turn someone hetero, should it be offered to homosexuals who don't want to be different? I guess it could be offered. However, I would find that rather sad. It's better to just accept who you are than to artificially change yourself. It's kind of like getting plastic surgery. Sure, maybe you don't like your nose, but in the long run it's probably healthier just to accept that that's the nose you were made with and that it's not worth spending a couple thousand dollars to change it. So, while I wouldn't condemn gay people who did take the drug to turn themselves straight, I personally would never use it, and I would always be saddened by those who did. Why not? How do you know for sure it doesn't work that way? So you think it's impossible for someone who's homosexual to turn straight? What evidence do you have for this conclusion? And why would it be sad for someone homosexual to want to be straight? What if they wanted to do it because they were in love with someone straight, but not attracted to them, or because their sexuality issues were seriously messing with them, or even with their family? If it bothers some homosexuals so much, and from what I've read it seems to, then I think if the option were available they shouldn't be forced to live as differently. I also think we should look to give them the option, because just like there's plastic surgery for those who really need it, there's probably homosexuals who would give a lot to not to be (for various reasons).
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:47 pm
rmcdra xxEternallyBluexx There is something I want to know, and this is basically a question for everyone-if there was something like a medicine that would turn someone hetero, should it be offered to homosexuals who don't want to be different? If there was a medicine offered to make people not be hetero, should it be offered to heterosexuals who don't want to be different? It could be offered but to force someone to take it would seriously cross some ethical bounds. Though this applies with most drugs/treatment with some exceptions in extreme situations, such as where one is legally required to take a drug/treatment. This hypothetical assumes that homosexuality is a disorder or disease of somekind. The APA and many medical/psychological associations no longer recognizes homosexuality as a disorder, disease, or mental illness. Right now I'm gonna say yes, but I reserve the right to change my mind. Agreed. I wouldn't anyone to be forced to change. 3nodding Quote: Definitions of mental illness on the Web: A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological or behavioral pattern that occurs in an individual and is thought to cause distress or disability that is not expected as part of normal development or culture. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_illness Definitions of disorder on the Web: * a physical condition in which there is a disturbance of normal functioning. I disagree, if you apply the words loosely. I'm not sure I'd use those words, but I still think it's something a person should be able to have treated if they want, like the way we offer plastic surgery or medicines. I have Asperger's Syndrome, and I like having it in some ways, but I still think if someone came up with a way to treat it, it should be offered, even if I'm not sure I'd take it. I think it's kinda like that.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:12 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Quote: Definitions of mental illness on the Web: A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological or behavioral pattern that occurs in an individual and is thought to cause distress or disability that is not expected as part of normal development or culture. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_illness Definitions of disorder on the Web: * a physical condition in which there is a disturbance of normal functioning. I disagree, if you apply the words loosely. I'm not sure I'd use those words, but I still think it's something a person should be able to have treated if they want, like the way we offer plastic surgery or medicines. I have Asperger's Syndrome, and I like having it in some ways, but I still think if someone came up with a way to treat it, it should be offered, even if I'm not sure I'd take it. I think it's kinda like that. Again this assumes that homosexuality is not expected as part of normal development. The American Psychological Association finds homosexuality and heterosexuality to be part of normal sexual development. APA Is homosexuality a mental disorder? No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder. Source: Answers to Your Questions For a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:59 am
Emperor Angelo XXV Artto Emperor Angelo XXV To me, it's a bit deeper than what you said. A lot of people nowadays tend to confuse love with lust, hence the choices aren't too easy for them to even see, let alone choose. That doesn't have much to do with homosexuality. And just as relevant to heterosexuality.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:58 am
Captain_Shinzo gohst13 To the person who asked me to show the quote look up
Leviticus 18 unlawful sexual relations
It's aginsed insest and gay/lesbian relationships.
Besides, I already saw the unclean comment you posted and it didn't really prove your point or prove why homosexuals couldn't marry.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:42 am
gohst13 Captain_Shinzo gohst13 To the person who asked me to show the quote look up
Leviticus 18 unlawful sexual relations
It's aginsed insest and gay/lesbian relationships.
Besides, I already saw the unclean comment you posted and it didn't really prove your point or prove why homosexuals couldn't marry.
Secondly, are you asking me why America is ignorant against gays getting married?
Well first, I would like to say this.
Back when blacks were slaves, the thought of them marrying whites was crazy. Debates were had on this of course, so I'll will take your argument you used and insert it with the black racism from way back.
" Why is it that blacks and whites can't marry? Why is it such a big deal if a black and white couple wants to get married? Same ethnicity couples can get married, so why not add black and white couples to do it to? Why is it if i want to marry my ex-boyfriend, Taiwain, I have to travel half way across the U.S. to get to the closest of the six states that allows different ethnicity marriage? It has only part to do with the bible says anymore, it has everything to do with how interperite it now. "
See where I'm getting at? Did you read the above?
I will just continue into this by just answering your question.
Why do people hate incest and abortions?
Because they think it's wrong.
Some people just don't like the idea of gays marrying because they think it is just unnatural.
Others follow a mistranslated, by themselves or by some leader, of the Bible and just go by that.
Have you seen the protests out wanting gays to be arrested so America will be saved by 'God'?
They got their information from the Bible, too.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:47 am
xxEternallyBluexx rmcdra xxEternallyBluexx There is something I want to know, and this is basically a question for everyone-if there was something like a medicine that would turn someone hetero, should it be offered to homosexuals who don't want to be different? If there was a medicine offered to make people not be hetero, should it be offered to heterosexuals who don't want to be different? It could be offered but to force someone to take it would seriously cross some ethical bounds. Though this applies with most drugs/treatment with some exceptions in extreme situations, such as where one is legally required to take a drug/treatment. This hypothetical assumes that homosexuality is a disorder or disease of somekind. The APA and many medical/psychological associations no longer recognizes homosexuality as a disorder, disease, or mental illness. Right now I'm gonna say yes, but I reserve the right to change my mind. Agreed. I wouldn't anyone to be forced to change. 3nodding Quote: Definitions of mental illness on the Web: A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological or behavioral pattern that occurs in an individual and is thought to cause distress or disability that is not expected as part of normal development or culture. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_illness Definitions of disorder on the Web: * a physical condition in which there is a disturbance of normal functioning. I disagree, if you apply the words loosely. I'm not sure I'd use those words, but I still think it's something a person should be able to have treated if they want, like the way we offer plastic surgery or medicines. I have Asperger's Syndrome, and I like having it in some ways, but I still think if someone came up with a way to treat it, it should be offered, even if I'm not sure I'd take it. I think it's kinda like that.
Back in the 1600s, people had barbers who were also doctors.
They thought diseases were caused by bad blood. This is the reason for the red line circling down the white pole. Anyway, it helped at times but killed many. But it was still considered treatment.
But have you looked at what they want gays to do with this 'treatment' you speak of?
First, they teach them the motto that "God hates fags".
Second, they go through exercises of anti-gay actions.
Lastly, they move them away from anything possible of being gay related.
The treatments you speak of, disease and such, they actually harm the body and can be treated medically.
But why must homosexuality, something not hurting the body, be treated mentally?
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:51 am
gohst13 Captain_Shinzo gohst13 To the person who asked me to show the quote look up
Leviticus 18 unlawful sexual relations
It's aginsed insest and gay/lesbian relationships.
Besides, I already saw the unclean comment you posted and it didn't really prove your point or prove why homosexuals couldn't marry.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:03 am
brainnsoup gohst13 Captain_Shinzo gohst13 To the person who asked me to show the quote look up
Leviticus 18 unlawful sexual relations
It's aginsed insest and gay/lesbian relationships.
Besides, I already saw the unclean comment you posted and it didn't really prove your point or prove why homosexuals couldn't marry.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:45 am
Captain_Shinzo brainnsoup gohst13 Captain_Shinzo gohst13 To the person who asked me to show the quote look up
Leviticus 18 unlawful sexual relations
It's aginsed insest and gay/lesbian relationships.
Besides, I already saw the unclean comment you posted and it didn't really prove your point or prove why homosexuals couldn't marry.And that doesn't change the fact that the Bible doesn't prohibit homosexuality in any way. I wish people were forced to take Hebrew and Greek classes if they wanted to be Christian. Oh, and history and context classes.
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