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 Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:52 pm
In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx Emperor Angelo XXV As I said earlier, homosexuality is a choice. That I agree with. 3nodding NO ONE chooses to be gay. When did you choose to be attracted to men? I want to KILL myself some days because I am gay. I have tried SO HARD to be straight. It's IMPOSSIBLE for me to be straight and attracted to men.
Being gay is NOT a problem no matter who tells you if it is unnatural. Mostly because it IS natural.
Now if you love someone, love them. Don't let the idea of the same gender stop you or turn you suicidal.
Do what you need to do. and just so we are clear, never let a religion get in the way of what you think is right.
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:54 pm
xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx That I agree with. 3nodding NO ONE chooses to be gay. When did you choose to be attracted to men? I want to KILL myself some days because I am gay. I have tried SO HARD to be straight. It's IMPOSSIBLE for me to be straight and attracted to men. I'm not really. I know God has someone special for me, but I haven't even gone on a date or had a first kiss yet, and I'm turning 18 on Saturday. That's your problem. Quote: Pray. You believe in Him, right? Well, He's helped others, so I have no doubt He can help you. Yeah for about.. since I was a little girl. Still gay, still fantasising about women. G-D's not changing that because it's not unnatural. Quote: And yeah, I think while some people may be more inclined to homosexuality, there's definetely people who go gay to expiriment, rebel, or because they thrive under controversy, and no one HAS to live that lifestyle. No one has to get married or have children either. To deny yourself love because others think it's a sin is disgusting and untrue to yourself. I'm twenty two years old, I'm not doing the rebel bullshit. I'm an adult, and wayyyyy beyond the experiment stage, honey. I'm gay. That's it, that's all. G-D loves me enough to want me to love and experience love. That doesn't have to come from a man. Why do you have the right to love and I don't? What makes you more special? And whatever. I'll argue more when I know more, so take it up with somebody else.
" Well, I don't know anything about this. BYE! "
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:56 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV As I said earlier, homosexuality is a choice.
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:24 pm
homosexal is useful to help to control the amount of populations.
I don't have discrimination to them. However, some young ppl considerate it as the in-style and cool thing.
It may cause another social problem.
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:19 pm
chaosthingy homosexal is useful to help to control the amount of populations. I don't have discrimination to them. However, some young ppl considerate it as the in-style and cool thing. It may cause another social problem. Yeah, I've seen that before, kids saying that they're gay or bi just because they think it suddenly makes them interesting. All it ends up doing is offending young people who actually are gay/bi and makes homophobes think that being gay is a choice just because those kids chose to be "gay."
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:35 pm
xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx Emperor Angelo XXV As I said earlier, homosexuality is a choice. That I agree with. 3nodding NO ONE chooses to be gay. When did you choose to be attracted to men? I want to KILL myself some days because I am gay. I have tried SO HARD to be straight. It's IMPOSSIBLE for me to be straight and attracted to men. I'm not really. I know God has someone special for me, but I haven't even gone on a date or had a first kiss yet, and I'm turning 18 on Saturday. If you're not actually attracted to men then wouldn't that make you asexual? Or do you mean that you are attracted to men but you just don't act on your attraction? xxEternallyBluexx Pray. You believe in Him, right? Well, He's helped others, so I have no doubt He can help you. I watched this documentary recently called "Trembling Before G-d." In it, there was this one guy who spent 12 years praying to God to make him not gay... and of course, it didn't work. And there are some people who spend even longer attempting to pray their way straight, and it never actually does anything. At best, they just learn how to pretend to be straight, though they never really are. I'm not saying that there isn't any power in prayer, I'm just saying that prayer doesn't work against nature. A gay person can't pray to become straight anymore than a short person can pray to be tall. xxEternallyBluexx And yeah, I think while some people may be more inclined to homosexuality, there's definetely people who go gay to expiriment, rebel, or because they thrive under controversy, and no one HAS to live that lifestyle. Yes, there are people who pretend to be gay just to get attention, just like there are hypochondriacs who pretend to be sick in order to get attention. But just because some people pretend to be ill doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who really are sick, just like how a few annoying people pretending to be gay doesn't have anything to do with people who really, truly are gay.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:56 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV NO ONE chooses to be gay. When did you choose to be attracted to men? I want to KILL myself some days because I am gay. I have tried SO HARD to be straight. It's IMPOSSIBLE for me to be straight and attracted to men. I'm not really. I know God has someone special for me, but I haven't even gone on a date or had a first kiss yet, and I'm turning 18 on Saturday. That's your problem. Quote: Pray. You believe in Him, right? Well, He's helped others, so I have no doubt He can help you. Yeah for about.. since I was a little girl. Still gay, still fantasising about women. G-D's not changing that because it's not unnatural. Quote: And yeah, I think while some people may be more inclined to homosexuality, there's definetely people who go gay to expiriment, rebel, or because they thrive under controversy, and no one HAS to live that lifestyle. No one has to get married or have children either. To deny yourself love because others think it's a sin is disgusting and untrue to yourself. I'm twenty two years old, I'm not doing the rebel bullshit. I'm an adult, and wayyyyy beyond the experiment stage, honey. I'm gay. That's it, that's all. G-D loves me enough to want me to love and experience love. That doesn't have to come from a man. Why do you have the right to love and I don't? What makes you more special? And whatever. I'll argue more when I know more, so take it up with somebody else.
" Well, I don't know anything about this. BYE! "Last time I debated with IMR, she said if a post looked stupid or too long she didn't really read it, so I don't especially want to debate with her. Plus I said I wasn't gonna debate about it, though I did want to post an agreement. But yeah, I'm at least jumping out of that argument, though I'll try not to do something in any other topic, and here as little as I can.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:09 pm
Julri xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx Emperor Angelo XXV As I said earlier, homosexuality is a choice. That I agree with. 3nodding NO ONE chooses to be gay. When did you choose to be attracted to men? I want to KILL myself some days because I am gay. I have tried SO HARD to be straight. It's IMPOSSIBLE for me to be straight and attracted to men. I'm not really. I know God has someone special for me, but I haven't even gone on a date or had a first kiss yet, and I'm turning 18 on Saturday. If you're not actually attracted to men then wouldn't that make you asexual? Or do you mean that you are attracted to men but you just don't act on your attraction? xxEternallyBluexx Pray. You believe in Him, right? Well, He's helped others, so I have no doubt He can help you. I watched this documentary recently called "Trembling Before G-d." In it, there was this one guy who spent 12 years praying to God to make him not gay... and of course, it didn't work. And there are some people who spend even longer attempting to pray their way straight, and it never actually does anything. At best, they just learn how to pretend to be straight, though they never really are. I'm not saying that there isn't any power in prayer, I'm just saying that prayer doesn't work against nature. A gay person can't pray to become straight anymore than a short person can pray to be tall. xxEternallyBluexx And yeah, I think while some people may be more inclined to homosexuality, there's definetely people who go gay to expiriment, rebel, or because they thrive under controversy, and no one HAS to live that lifestyle. Yes, there are people who pretend to be gay just to get attention, just like there are hypochondriacs who pretend to be sick in order to get attention. But just because some people pretend to be ill doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who really are sick, just like how a few annoying people pretending to be gay doesn't have anything to do with people who really, truly are gay. I dunno, I just don't really (day)dream about sex....I'm not too worried about it though. As far as I'm concerned I'm hetero, and the Lord will guide me to someone eventually. Besides dating's a hassle and I don't see the point unless you're actually looking to get married. Actually that might be why I really can't understand someone not having a choice... I think they can. It's been done before, including in my church. I will come back and discuss this more, but I really do want to do more research first, and read some stuff on it first...sorry. sweatdrop With those verses shot down, I don't have much to work with so I really do have to read more about it first. And those hypochondriacs are sick mentally, so it's an indication something is wrong, even if it isn't physical. There is something I want to know, and this is basically a question for everyone-if there was something like a medicine that would turn someone hetero, should it be offered to homosexuals who don't want to be different?
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:16 am
xxEternallyBluexx I dunno, I just don't really (day)dream about sex....I'm not too worried about it though. As far as I'm concerned I'm hetero, and the Lord will guide me to someone eventually. Besides dating's a hassle and I don't see the point unless you're actually looking to get married. Actually that might be why I really can't understand someone not having a choice... I don't think anyone's implying that gay people can't choose whether or not to date, just as straight people like you can choose to date or not. The thing is, while both gay people and straight people can choose when and who they date, they can't choose the fact that they are gay or straight to begin with. A gay person can't will themselves to be straight anymore than a straight person can will themselves to be gay. It just doesn't work that way. xxEternallyBluexx I think they can. It's been done before, including in my church. I'm rather skeptical of that. Just because they say they've somehow turned straight doesn't mean it's true. Either they've fooled themselves and everyone around them into thinking it's true, or they were just never gay to begin with. xxEternallyBluexx I will come back and discuss this more, but I really do want to do more research first, and read some stuff on it first...sorry. sweatdrop With those verses shot down, I don't have much to work with so I really do have to read more about it first. And those hypochondriacs are sick mentally, so it's an indication something is wrong, even if it isn't physical. I think you missed the point of my hypochondriac metaphor... The thing is, even if a hypochondriac who claims to have cancer does have a mental illness, they still don't have cancer. Keeping this in mind though, it would be silly to suggest that there's no such thing as a person who really, truly does have cancer. Similarly, a straight person who pretends to be gay just to get attention might be weird, but they're not queer, and it doesn't mean that there's no such thing as real gay people. xxEternallyBluexx There is something I want to know, and this is basically a question for everyone-if there was something like a medicine that would turn someone hetero, should it be offered to homosexuals who don't want to be different? I guess it could be offered. However, I would find that rather sad. It's better to just accept who you are than to artificially change yourself. It's kind of like getting plastic surgery. Sure, maybe you don't like your nose, but in the long run it's probably healthier just to accept that that's the nose you were made with and that it's not worth spending a couple thousand dollars to change it. So, while I wouldn't condemn gay people who did take the drug to turn themselves straight, I personally would never use it, and I would always be saddened by those who did.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:43 am
xxEternallyBluexx There is something I want to know, and this is basically a question for everyone-if there was something like a medicine that would turn someone hetero, should it be offered to homosexuals who don't want to be different? If there was a medicine offered to make people not be hetero, should it be offered to heterosexuals who don't want to be different? It could be offered but to force someone to take it would seriously cross some ethical bounds. Though this applies with most drugs/treatment with some exceptions in extreme situations, such as where one is legally required to take a drug/treatment. This hypothetical assumes that homosexuality is a disorder or disease of somekind. The APA and many medical/psychological associations no longer recognizes homosexuality as a disorder, disease, or mental illness.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:04 am
Julri It's kind of like getting plastic surgery. Sure, maybe you don't like your nose, but in the long run it's probably healthier just to accept that that's the nose you were made with and that it's not worth spending a couple thousand dollars to change it. Not necessarily. Plastic surgery is sometimes necessary to help people live healthier lives. Example: Faces that diviate far from the phi mask model tend to have various types of breathing problems. Quote: So, while I wouldn't condemn gay people who did take the drug to turn themselves straight, I personally would never use it, and I would always be saddened by those who did. If there was a drug that would make a straight person gay would you be saddened by them taking it?
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:44 am
In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx Emperor Angelo XXV As I said earlier, homosexuality is a choice. That I agree with. 3nodding NO ONE chooses to be gay. When did you choose to be attracted to men? I want to KILL myself some days because I am gay. I have tried SO HARD to be straight. It's IMPOSSIBLE for me to be straight and attracted to men.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:03 am
Christians have to believe that homosexuality is a choice, because if it isn't it doesn't make any sense. Why would god create someone, who could do nothing about his sin? It destroys the notion of free will, and makes god responsible for the sin.
That's why christians are so fervent in claiming that it's a choice, because god wouldn't make us sin. Sin has to be our own choice, by our own free will.
Of course, some christians don't believe homosexuality to be a sin, so this doesn't apply to them.
Is there actually any argument for it being a choice? I don't think I've heard any...
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:04 am
Artto Christians have to believe that homosexuality is a choice, because if it isn't it doesn't make any sense. Why would god create someone, who could do nothing about his sin? It destroys the notion of free will, and makes god responsible for the sin. That's why christians are so fervent in claiming that it's a choice, because god wouldn't make us sin. Sin has to be our own choice, by our own free will. Of course, some christians don't believe homosexuality to be a sin, so this doesn't apply to them.
Some are naturally born gay, while others chose to be gay for all sorts of reasons. Whether or not that someone chooses to be straight, that is his/her own choice.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:09 am
Emperor Angelo XXV The reason why it's a choice is simple enough.
Some are naturally born gay, while others chose to be gay for all sorts of reasons. Whether or not that someone chooses to be straight, that is his/her own choice. I actually agree that some people just have a homosexual fetish, but I wouldn't call those true homosexuals. True homosexuality (the need for a relationship and feeling of erotic love for a person of the same sex) is by no means a choice. It's as much a choice as falling in love with someone.
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