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 Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:59 pm
gohst13 To the person who asked me to show the quote look up
Leviticus 18 unlawful sexual relations
It's aginsed insest and gay/lesbian relationships.
Besides, I already saw the unclean comment you posted and it didn't really prove your point or prove why homosexuals couldn't marry.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:15 pm
brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx Yes I am, because when I had a completely open mind it drove me nuts. I do pay attention and make note about what I find out about other religions, but I also choose what I believe and argue for that because 1) I really think it's true (I try not to debate about things I'm not relatively sure of), and 2) it's what I know about. If everyone refused to debate unless they had a complete knowledge of every religion though, I think there'd be very few people discussing religion. And I knew that. And watch this: http://www.youtube.com/user/onetimeblind?blend=3&ob=1#p/a/u/2/D2Flgdwlqz0 Only one way IS right, so you have to use the evidence you have to try and see what way that is. We all use it, but he gives us a lot of other gifts too. Beauty, intelligence, strength...etc.
You could just as easily be the person with the wrong viewpoint, even though you're sure that you're right.Well yeah, it takes a complex idea like religion and simplifies it into color t make it somewhat funny and make a clear point. The most effective point it makes is that one belief is right, I think. But still, the most evidence I've read is for Christianity, and I'm more sure of it then anything else. Besides I'm still not sure what point is being made, or what I'm supposed to do about that. Are you trying to tell me to quit debating until I have absolute evidence or what...?
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:19 pm
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx Yes I am, because when I had a completely open mind it drove me nuts. I do pay attention and make note about what I find out about other religions, but I also choose what I believe and argue for that because 1) I really think it's true (I try not to debate about things I'm not relatively sure of), and 2) it's what I know about. If everyone refused to debate unless they had a complete knowledge of every religion though, I think there'd be very few people discussing religion. And I knew that. And watch this: http://www.youtube.com/user/onetimeblind?blend=3&ob=1#p/a/u/2/D2Flgdwlqz0 Only one way IS right, so you have to use the evidence you have to try and see what way that is. We all use it, but he gives us a lot of other gifts too. Beauty, intelligence, strength...etc.
You could just as easily be the person with the wrong viewpoint, even though you're sure that you're right.Well yeah, it takes a complex idea like religion and simplifies it into color t make it somewhat funny and make a clear point. The most effective point it makes is that one belief is right, I think. But still, the most evidence I've read is for Christianity, and I'm more sure of it then anything else. Besides I'm still not sure what point is being made, or what I'm supposed to do about that. Are you trying to tell me to quit debating until I have absolute evidence or what...?
While you answer that, I think people also want to know why other religions are wrong considering you mostly only know Christianity?
I mean, would you be Islamic or Atheist if you learned more about the such?
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:22 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph But what you are arguing is "If it's not my way, it's no way", which is incorrect. I never said fascism was truly bad, although I agree- in a mortal world, it is. But one being literally controlling everything is still wrong. That's why we have free will. No, I'm arguing for what I know. Who argues for what they don't know? Besides it's not 'my way', it's God's. And Zakku, where are you getting the Bible's been changed? It hasn't.
I would also like to mention that not only are you not sure if the Bible was changed, there is plenty of evidence supporting the Bible being edited.
For example, a museum deems to have the original Bible that is pretty different then todays.
It makes sense that something could be edited. After all, the Bible is made by trees and nature, and the only thing keeping it from being multiplied is us. It's not like it COULDN'T, above all odds, been edited after the time it came.I don't remember saying that last bit...could you quote me? And yes, I was arguing from the Bible I've seen it be correct about other things, and I have faith in it. O_O I never said I wasn't sure if the Bible was changed! It wasn't! Don't put words in my mouth. stare Link as proof? http://www.allabouttruth.org/bible-manuscripts-faq.htm http://www.acts17-11.com/snip_reliability.html http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-God-Word.html
If you don't know or it doesn't contain the evidence, then how are you fighting against gay marriage and why are you continuing?
Moving on, I never said that YOU said the Bible was changed.
I asked why you believed the Bible could not have been changed?
As for links, I never stated that it was beyond anything changed. I said there is a large possibility of it being changed.I'm not, I think...since I said I didn't now about it not one of my posts has said anything regarding homosexuality except to say I wouldn't discuss it. Well then forgive me, but the italicized looked like you did. sweatdrop The Jews used to burn inaccurate copies, and our copies match older versions. I have to read more and do more research on the subject, but from what I know I find it highly unlikely that it was changed. Plus since I believe in an omnipotent God, and that that's His Word, I really doubt He's let anyone change it. If He wasn't real, then whether it was changed or not wouldn't really matter.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:29 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph But what you are arguing is "If it's not my way, it's no way", which is incorrect. I never said fascism was truly bad, although I agree- in a mortal world, it is. But one being literally controlling everything is still wrong. That's why we have free will. No, I'm arguing for what I know. Who argues for what they don't know? Besides it's not 'my way', it's God's. And Zakku, where are you getting the Bible's been changed? It hasn't.
I would also like to mention that not only are you not sure if the Bible was changed, there is plenty of evidence supporting the Bible being edited.
For example, a museum deems to have the original Bible that is pretty different then todays.
It makes sense that something could be edited. After all, the Bible is made by trees and nature, and the only thing keeping it from being multiplied is us. It's not like it COULDN'T, above all odds, been edited after the time it came.I don't remember saying that last bit...could you quote me? And yes, I was arguing from the Bible I've seen it be correct about other things, and I have faith in it. O_O I never said I wasn't sure if the Bible was changed! It wasn't! Don't put words in my mouth. stare Link as proof? http://www.allabouttruth.org/bible-manuscripts-faq.htm http://www.acts17-11.com/snip_reliability.html http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-God-Word.html
If you don't know or it doesn't contain the evidence, then how are you fighting against gay marriage and why are you continuing?
Moving on, I never said that YOU said the Bible was changed.
I asked why you believed the Bible could not have been changed?
As for links, I never stated that it was beyond anything changed. I said there is a large possibility of it being changed.I'm not, I think...since I said I didn't now about it not one of my posts has said anything regarding homosexuality except to say I wouldn't discuss it. Well then forgive me, but the italicized looked like you did. sweatdrop The Jews used to burn inaccurate copies, and our copies match older versions. I have to read more and do more research on the subject, but from what I know I find it highly unlikely that it was changed. Plus since I believe in an omnipotent God, and that that's His Word, I really doubt He's let anyone change it. If He wasn't real, then whether it was changed or not wouldn't really matter.
I'm confused... s.s
Even if you tell me the Jews burned inaccurate copies, that doesn't tell me much. What were the inaccurate copies, exactly?
They could have been easily mistaken as the real.
Moving on, why would God care more for what a book says than lives?
9/11, murders, natural disasters, and other things...are they just not as important?
I'm asking, you can tell me "I'm sure God wouldn't let his book get changed."
But then I could say "I'm sure God wouldn't let his creations die so innocently and terribly."
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:31 pm
divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph But what you are arguing is "If it's not my way, it's no way", which is incorrect. I never said fascism was truly bad, although I agree- in a mortal world, it is. But one being literally controlling everything is still wrong. That's why we have free will. No, I'm arguing for what I know. Who argues for what they don't know? Besides it's not 'my way', it's God's. How is it wrong? Why do you get to deem it so? And He gave us free will. It's a gift. (Anyway this is off topic so...) And Zakku, where are you getting the Bible's been changed? It hasn't. But you're denying every possibility that you DON'T know. Which is illogical. And no, it's not. It's your way of knowing God. That is not necessarily God. For example, it was believed that piles of hay generated mice because mice came from the hay. (look it up.) That's not the way of hay, that's the way of that understanding, which is, of course, not necessarily correct. A gift we can't use? Some gift. Yes I am, because when I had a completely open mind it drove me nuts. I do pay attention and make note about what I find out about other religions, but I also choose what I believe and argue for that because 1) I really think it's true (I try not to debate about things I'm not relatively sure of), and 2) it's what I know about. If everyone refused to debate unless they had a complete knowledge of every religion though, I think there'd be very few people discussing religion. And I knew that. And watch this: http://www.youtube.com/user/onetimeblind?blend=3&ob=1#p/a/u/2/D2Flgdwlqz0 Only one way IS right, so you have to use the evidence you have to try and see what way that is. We all use it, but he gives us a lot of other gifts too. Beauty, intelligence, strength...etc. And I really think it's true that God doesn't care what gender we prefer. Don't tell me about your book and your revelation, I've had my own. So now it's between our Gods. But my God is your God, and is all Gods. So really what we have here is perspective. Which brings me back to the original point- You can't say "It's either my belief or there is nothing" because I am presenting an alternative belief which is also not nothing. You're essentially saying "There is only one shape. If it's not a triangle, it's nothing." I'm saying circle, which is also a shape. The video shows a fallacy, because truth isn't so simple. Look up American military history and you will begin to see why. That wasn't my point. Why give us free will if we can't even choose who to love? It's like giving us an airplane and saying "Yeah, here ya go- Flight! Just don't take it off the ground." And is that what you think I'm saying? No, I've ruled other beliefs out because of certain flaws, but I know it's not God or nothing. There's other options, but unless the Christian God isn't real I won't accept them as options. It's EITHER a circle or a triangle, but not both. I get what you mean, but I don't think religion is like that. I think if there is a God He's want us to really know Him instead of giving us a bunch of conflicting ideas-instead some of those conflicting ideas are twisted truths or even not of God at all. I'm still not sure about homosexuality, so I'm not gonna answer that.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:35 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx Yes I am, because when I had a completely open mind it drove me nuts. I do pay attention and make note about what I find out about other religions, but I also choose what I believe and argue for that because 1) I really think it's true (I try not to debate about things I'm not relatively sure of), and 2) it's what I know about. If everyone refused to debate unless they had a complete knowledge of every religion though, I think there'd be very few people discussing religion. And I knew that. And watch this: http://www.youtube.com/user/onetimeblind?blend=3&ob=1#p/a/u/2/D2Flgdwlqz0 Only one way IS right, so you have to use the evidence you have to try and see what way that is. We all use it, but he gives us a lot of other gifts too. Beauty, intelligence, strength...etc.
You could just as easily be the person with the wrong viewpoint, even though you're sure that you're right.Well yeah, it takes a complex idea like religion and simplifies it into color t make it somewhat funny and make a clear point. The most effective point it makes is that one belief is right, I think. But still, the most evidence I've read is for Christianity, and I'm more sure of it then anything else. Besides I'm still not sure what point is being made, or what I'm supposed to do about that. Are you trying to tell me to quit debating until I have absolute evidence or what...?
While you answer that, I think people also want to know why other religions are wrong considering you mostly only know Christianity?
I mean, would you be Islamic or Atheist if you learned more about the such?*avoiding the subject* Nope. Islam I know about, and I find it a lot more unlikely then Christianity, and atheism is pretty simple, and after reading Mere Christianity I've found a few good reasons for not believing it. That books another reason-it gives a good overview of why Christianity is right, while starting from an atheist viewpoint and hitting different beliefs.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:37 pm
Captain_Shinzo gohst13 To the person who asked me to show the quote look up
Leviticus 18 unlawful sexual relations
It's aginsed insest and gay/lesbian relationships.
Besides, I already saw the unclean comment you posted and it didn't really prove your point or prove why homosexuals couldn't marry.Leviticus also only applies to JEWS.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:41 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo But your arguing from what you DON'T know. You even told me front in this thread that your only compelling argument against homosexuality was the Bible. but you also mentioned you weren't sure if or where in the Bible it stated that homosexuality is wrong.
I would also like to mention that not only are you not sure if the Bible was changed, there is plenty of evidence supporting the Bible being edited.
For example, a museum deems to have the original Bible that is pretty different then todays.
It makes sense that something could be edited. After all, the Bible is made by trees and nature, and the only thing keeping it from being multiplied is us. It's not like it COULDN'T, above all odds, been edited after the time it came. I don't remember saying that last bit...could you quote me? And yes, I was arguing from the Bible I've seen it be correct about other things, and I have faith in it. O_O I never said I wasn't sure if the Bible was changed! It wasn't! Don't put words in my mouth. stare Link as proof? http://www.allabouttruth.org/bible-manuscripts-faq.htm http://www.acts17-11.com/snip_reliability.html http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-God-Word.html
If you don't know or it doesn't contain the evidence, then how are you fighting against gay marriage and why are you continuing?
Moving on, I never said that YOU said the Bible was changed.
I asked why you believed the Bible could not have been changed?
As for links, I never stated that it was beyond anything changed. I said there is a large possibility of it being changed.I'm not, I think...since I said I didn't now about it not one of my posts has said anything regarding homosexuality except to say I wouldn't discuss it. Well then forgive me, but the italicized looked like you did. sweatdrop The Jews used to burn inaccurate copies, and our copies match older versions. I have to read more and do more research on the subject, but from what I know I find it highly unlikely that it was changed. Plus since I believe in an omnipotent God, and that that's His Word, I really doubt He's let anyone change it. If He wasn't real, then whether it was changed or not wouldn't really matter.
I'm confused... s.s
Even if you tell me the Jews burned inaccurate copies, that doesn't tell me much. What were the inaccurate copies, exactly?
They could have been easily mistaken as the real.
Moving on, why would God care more for what a book says than lives?
9/11, murders, natural disasters, and other things...are they just not as important?
I'm asking, you can tell me "I'm sure God wouldn't let his book get changed."
But then I could say "I'm sure God wouldn't let his creations die so innocently and terribly."Because I'm not gonna debate about that until I'm sure about it again. If they found copies of the Talmud that were off, they got rid of them, so the OT is what they had. And how? It's like saying if there were inaccurate copies of Eragon or a Wrinkle in Time they'd be mistaken for real. Someone would probably catch them and throw them away. They're bad things that come partly in consequence to what we did in the Garden, and He probably has a good reason for not stopping every single one of them. The Bible is His. Not all of us are, or I'm sure He wouldn't.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:45 pm
In Medias Res IV Captain_Shinzo gohst13 To the person who asked me to show the quote look up
Leviticus 18 unlawful sexual relations
It's aginsed insest and gay/lesbian relationships.
Besides, I already saw the unclean comment you posted and it didn't really prove your point or prove why homosexuals couldn't marry.Leviticus also only applies to JEWS.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:49 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo But your arguing from what you DON'T know. You even told me front in this thread that your only compelling argument against homosexuality was the Bible. but you also mentioned you weren't sure if or where in the Bible it stated that homosexuality is wrong.
I would also like to mention that not only are you not sure if the Bible was changed, there is plenty of evidence supporting the Bible being edited.
For example, a museum deems to have the original Bible that is pretty different then todays.
It makes sense that something could be edited. After all, the Bible is made by trees and nature, and the only thing keeping it from being multiplied is us. It's not like it COULDN'T, above all odds, been edited after the time it came. I don't remember saying that last bit...could you quote me? And yes, I was arguing from the Bible I've seen it be correct about other things, and I have faith in it. O_O I never said I wasn't sure if the Bible was changed! It wasn't! Don't put words in my mouth. stare Link as proof? http://www.allabouttruth.org/bible-manuscripts-faq.htm http://www.acts17-11.com/snip_reliability.html http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-God-Word.html
If you don't know or it doesn't contain the evidence, then how are you fighting against gay marriage and why are you continuing?
Moving on, I never said that YOU said the Bible was changed.
I asked why you believed the Bible could not have been changed?
As for links, I never stated that it was beyond anything changed. I said there is a large possibility of it being changed.I'm not, I think...since I said I didn't now about it not one of my posts has said anything regarding homosexuality except to say I wouldn't discuss it. Well then forgive me, but the italicized looked like you did. sweatdrop The Jews used to burn inaccurate copies, and our copies match older versions. I have to read more and do more research on the subject, but from what I know I find it highly unlikely that it was changed. Plus since I believe in an omnipotent God, and that that's His Word, I really doubt He's let anyone change it. If He wasn't real, then whether it was changed or not wouldn't really matter.
I'm confused... s.s
Even if you tell me the Jews burned inaccurate copies, that doesn't tell me much. What were the inaccurate copies, exactly?
They could have been easily mistaken as the real.
Moving on, why would God care more for what a book says than lives?
9/11, murders, natural disasters, and other things...are they just not as important?
I'm asking, you can tell me "I'm sure God wouldn't let his book get changed."
But then I could say "I'm sure God wouldn't let his creations die so innocently and terribly."Because I'm not gonna debate about that until I'm sure about it again. If they found copies of the Talmud that were off, they got rid of them, so the OT is what they had. And how? It's like saying if there were inaccurate copies of Eragon or a Wrinkle in Time they'd be mistaken for real. Someone would probably catch them and throw them away. They're bad things that come partly in consequence to what we did in the Garden, and He probably has a good reason for not stopping every single one of them. The Bible is His. Not all of us are, or I'm sure He wouldn't.
But today, a bad copy could be easily stopped due to our easy virtual connection with one another. That long ago, things could be done in broad day-light and it wouldn't get too far around.
He has a reason to letting people die over saving a book? >____>
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:01 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx Yes I am, because when I had a completely open mind it drove me nuts. I do pay attention and make note about what I find out about other religions, but I also choose what I believe and argue for that because 1) I really think it's true (I try not to debate about things I'm not relatively sure of), and 2) it's what I know about. If everyone refused to debate unless they had a complete knowledge of every religion though, I think there'd be very few people discussing religion. And I knew that. And watch this: http://www.youtube.com/user/onetimeblind?blend=3&ob=1#p/a/u/2/D2Flgdwlqz0 Only one way IS right, so you have to use the evidence you have to try and see what way that is. We all use it, but he gives us a lot of other gifts too. Beauty, intelligence, strength...etc.
You could just as easily be the person with the wrong viewpoint, even though you're sure that you're right.Well yeah, it takes a complex idea like religion and simplifies it into color t make it somewhat funny and make a clear point. The most effective point it makes is that one belief is right, I think. But still, the most evidence I've read is for Christianity, and I'm more sure of it then anything else. Besides I'm still not sure what point is being made, or what I'm supposed to do about that. Are you trying to tell me to quit debating until I have absolute evidence or what...?
While you answer that, I think people also want to know why other religions are wrong considering you mostly only know Christianity?
I mean, would you be Islamic or Atheist if you learned more about the such?*avoiding the subject* Nope. Islam I know about, and I find it a lot more unlikely then Christianity, and atheism is pretty simple, and after reading Mere Christianity I've found a few good reasons for not believing it. That books another reason-it gives a good overview of why Christianity is right, while starting from an atheist viewpoint and hitting different beliefs.
Yes, but have you studied everything?
I mean, you can't just tell me you know dictionary terms, have you ponderd the possibility without a God and if our universe could live without one or another religion that could mean more to you than Christianity?
The problem is, there is more than 1,000 religions. Which one beyond anything is correct?
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:13 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo Well, there is one problem. For one, you still wont tell me why you are arguing against homosexuality knowing that your only source to support your claim, the Bible, didn't contain the evidence as you said.
If you don't know or it doesn't contain the evidence, then how are you fighting against gay marriage and why are you continuing?
Moving on, I never said that YOU said the Bible was changed.
I asked why you believed the Bible could not have been changed?
As for links, I never stated that it was beyond anything changed. I said there is a large possibility of it being changed. I'm not, I think...since I said I didn't now about it not one of my posts has said anything regarding homosexuality except to say I wouldn't discuss it. Well then forgive me, but the italicized looked like you did. sweatdrop The Jews used to burn inaccurate copies, and our copies match older versions. I have to read more and do more research on the subject, but from what I know I find it highly unlikely that it was changed. Plus since I believe in an omnipotent God, and that that's His Word, I really doubt He's let anyone change it. If He wasn't real, then whether it was changed or not wouldn't really matter.
I'm confused... s.s
Even if you tell me the Jews burned inaccurate copies, that doesn't tell me much. What were the inaccurate copies, exactly?
They could have been easily mistaken as the real.
Moving on, why would God care more for what a book says than lives?
9/11, murders, natural disasters, and other things...are they just not as important?
I'm asking, you can tell me "I'm sure God wouldn't let his book get changed."
But then I could say "I'm sure God wouldn't let his creations die so innocently and terribly."Because I'm not gonna debate about that until I'm sure about it again. If they found copies of the Talmud that were off, they got rid of them, so the OT is what they had. And how? It's like saying if there were inaccurate copies of Eragon or a Wrinkle in Time they'd be mistaken for real. Someone would probably catch them and throw them away. They're bad things that come partly in consequence to what we did in the Garden, and He probably has a good reason for not stopping every single one of them. The Bible is His. Not all of us are, or I'm sure He wouldn't.
But today, a bad copy could be easily stopped due to our easy virtual connection with one another. That long ago, things could be done in broad day-light and it wouldn't get too far around.
He has a reason to letting people die over saving a book? >____>Revelations. The Bible (which I don't study enough to xp ). The odds argument for ID. Morals or intelligence as you defined it before (Mere Christianity tells that one nicely. You'd learn a lot more reading that then you would debating with me). Even nature is evident of an artist type Creator. There isn't any evidence that absolutely proves He's there to everyone, but personal evidence can be almost absolute for the individual, and I think there's more evidence for Him then against Him. http://www.icr.org/God/ No idea what you're saying. The copies could've been compared then too, and bad copies would've been burned. Well, yeah. If I could write a book that a third of the world would read and like, but it'd cost me my life, and God gave me permission to take that deal, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Plus I don't really see keeping the Bible accurate and saving people as related. http://www.faithfacts.org/search-for-truth/questions-of-christians/how-can-god-allow-evil-and-suffering http://www.explorefaith.com/world.html
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:20 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx Yes I am, because when I had a completely open mind it drove me nuts. I do pay attention and make note about what I find out about other religions, but I also choose what I believe and argue for that because 1) I really think it's true (I try not to debate about things I'm not relatively sure of), and 2) it's what I know about. If everyone refused to debate unless they had a complete knowledge of every religion though, I think there'd be very few people discussing religion. And I knew that. And watch this: http://www.youtube.com/user/onetimeblind?blend=3&ob=1#p/a/u/2/D2Flgdwlqz0 Only one way IS right, so you have to use the evidence you have to try and see what way that is. We all use it, but he gives us a lot of other gifts too. Beauty, intelligence, strength...etc.
You could just as easily be the person with the wrong viewpoint, even though you're sure that you're right.Well yeah, it takes a complex idea like religion and simplifies it into color t make it somewhat funny and make a clear point. The most effective point it makes is that one belief is right, I think. But still, the most evidence I've read is for Christianity, and I'm more sure of it then anything else. Besides I'm still not sure what point is being made, or what I'm supposed to do about that. Are you trying to tell me to quit debating until I have absolute evidence or what...?
While you answer that, I think people also want to know why other religions are wrong considering you mostly only know Christianity?
I mean, would you be Islamic or Atheist if you learned more about the such?*avoiding the subject* Nope. Islam I know about, and I find it a lot more unlikely then Christianity, and atheism is pretty simple, and after reading Mere Christianity I've found a few good reasons for not believing it. That books another reason-it gives a good overview of why Christianity is right, while starting from an atheist viewpoint and hitting different beliefs.
Yes, but have you studied everything?
I mean, you can't just tell me you know dictionary terms, have you ponderd the possibility without a God and if our universe could live without one or another religion that could mean more to you than Christianity?
The problem is, there is more than 1,000 religions. Which one beyond anything is correct?No, it's what I do when I'm not sure about something. No, but I'm trying. Look, when I looked at atheism closely I came to the conclusion I'd rather be anything but. I couldn't stand the thought we live in an empty universe. As for those other religions, when I come across them I consider them, and usually I find the universe can't work that way, or they're a lot plausible then Christianity. Have I studied them all? No. But did you before becoming an atheist? Do you consider them as closely as you're asking me to?
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:20 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo Well, there is one problem. For one, you still wont tell me why you are arguing against homosexuality knowing that your only source to support your claim, the Bible, didn't contain the evidence as you said.
If you don't know or it doesn't contain the evidence, then how are you fighting against gay marriage and why are you continuing?
Moving on, I never said that YOU said the Bible was changed.
I asked why you believed the Bible could not have been changed?
As for links, I never stated that it was beyond anything changed. I said there is a large possibility of it being changed. I'm not, I think...since I said I didn't now about it not one of my posts has said anything regarding homosexuality except to say I wouldn't discuss it. Well then forgive me, but the italicized looked like you did. sweatdrop The Jews used to burn inaccurate copies, and our copies match older versions. I have to read more and do more research on the subject, but from what I know I find it highly unlikely that it was changed. Plus since I believe in an omnipotent God, and that that's His Word, I really doubt He's let anyone change it. If He wasn't real, then whether it was changed or not wouldn't really matter.
I'm confused... s.s
Even if you tell me the Jews burned inaccurate copies, that doesn't tell me much. What were the inaccurate copies, exactly?
They could have been easily mistaken as the real.
Moving on, why would God care more for what a book says than lives?
9/11, murders, natural disasters, and other things...are they just not as important?
I'm asking, you can tell me "I'm sure God wouldn't let his book get changed."
But then I could say "I'm sure God wouldn't let his creations die so innocently and terribly."Because I'm not gonna debate about that until I'm sure about it again. If they found copies of the Talmud that were off, they got rid of them, so the OT is what they had. And how? It's like saying if there were inaccurate copies of Eragon or a Wrinkle in Time they'd be mistaken for real. Someone would probably catch them and throw them away. They're bad things that come partly in consequence to what we did in the Garden, and He probably has a good reason for not stopping every single one of them. The Bible is His. Not all of us are, or I'm sure He wouldn't.
But today, a bad copy could be easily stopped due to our easy virtual connection with one another. That long ago, things could be done in broad day-light and it wouldn't get too far around.
He has a reason to letting people die over saving a book? >____>Revelations. The Bible (which I don't study enough to xp ). The odds argument for ID. Morals or intelligence as you defined it before (Mere Christianity tells that one nicely. You'd learn a lot more reading that then you would debating with me). Even nature is evident of an artist type Creator. There isn't any evidence that absolutely proves He's there to everyone, but personal evidence can be almost absolute for the individual, and I think there's more evidence for Him then against Him. http://www.icr.org/God/ No idea what you're saying. The copies could've been compared then too, and bad copies would've been burned. Well, yeah. If I could write a book that a third of the world would read and like, but it'd cost me my life, and God gave me permission to take that deal, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Plus I don't really see keeping the Bible accurate and saving people as related. http://www.faithfacts.org/search-for-truth/questions-of-christians/how-can-god-allow-evil-and-suffering http://www.explorefaith.com/world.html
It isn't like the Bible could be changed without knowing. The Bible is full of way more than 100 pages and a few words switched around could have been easily gone unseen.
The idea of saying the good books were protected wont tell me much, though, as this is an assumption. I mean, people defile Bibles all the time. Does God mess with the tree/paper and clean them?
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