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 Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:56 am
 I'm so excited - I get to go see my sister in law today and my nephew (who is the cutest thing ever!!)
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:03 am
Have fun, Orna!
And thanks for joining the H5s and for the fabulous scavenger hunt!
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LadyHealingHands Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:00 pm
Oh my guys. I have not been on in forever. I am sooooo sorry. I have had a bunch load of homework and drama. It is killing me. I am so sorry.
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:47 am
Greetings fellow Ravenclaw members, you have another member to your house, and I'm so happy that I got Ravenclaw.
Here's something to think about:
If a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to hear the sound that is caused by the fall, does the sound actually exist? Or are our sensual experiences only in our heads? Take for example nails on a chalkboard, it bothers some people, and other people can stand it, so we are obviously not hearing the same sound.
Take for example spicy food, sea food, and salty food. Some like certian kinds of food while others get sick after eating the, but it is the same food, but we are tasting something different in our mouthes.
Lastly, take the example of pain, some can stand it more then others, and some like it, (boxing people, for example). Since we all experience pain, besides people whose nervous system is dead, there is a level of pain that we cannot stand, and it makes us not like it anymore. It is pain, but different levels of it, so we must be feeling something different.
With these examples it seems logical to say that senses are all in our minds and that things we experience exist cause we are able to experience them, and especially in different ways.
So if a tree falls, and no one is there to hear it fall, does the sound it is supposed to make really happen? Oh someone pointed out deaf people who can't hear, but CAN feel the vibration that is caused, this is a good point. The tree falls, and they feel it. But they still can't hear it. If someone couldn't feel anything, did the tree make vibrations at all? The point is that hearing, smelling, tasting, feeling, and seeing are all senses that are in our minds. And that it is through perception that we are able to imagine the sensation in our minds, this then leads to the question, "Does sound exist? Do the other elements that are brought in by our 'senses' exist? Or is it all on our minds?"
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does the tree really make a sound?
I hope my fellow Ravenclaw members can solve the mystery and give their best thought out question, we are after all the smartest students known for our wit and intelligence.
It was nice meeting you all, I hope to interact with everyone here and in the RP areas of the guild!
TGS
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:12 pm
The_Golden_Sage Greetings fellow Ravenclaw members, you have another member to your house, and I'm so happy that I got Ravenclaw.
Here's something to think about:
If a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to hear the sound that is caused by the fall, does the sound actually exist? Or are our sensual experiences only in our heads? Take for example nails on a chalkboard, it bothers some people, and other people can stand it, so we are obviously not hearing the same sound.
Take for example spicy food, sea food, and salty food. Some like certian kinds of food while others get sick after eating the, but it is the same food, but we are tasting something different in our mouthes.
Lastly, take the example of pain, some can stand it more then others, and some like it, (boxing people, for example). Since we all experience pain, besides people whose nervous system is dead, there is a level of pain that we cannot stand, and it makes us not like it anymore. It is pain, but different levels of it, so we must be feeling something different.
With these examples it seems logical to say that senses are all in our minds and that things we experience exist cause we are able to experience them, and especially in different ways.
So if a tree falls, and no one is there to hear it fall, does the sound it is supposed to make really happen? Oh someone pointed out deaf people who can't hear, but CAN feel the vibration that is caused, this is a good point. The tree falls, and they feel it. But they still can't hear it. If someone couldn't feel anything, did the tree make vibrations at all? The point is that hearing, smelling, tasting, feeling, and seeing are all senses that are in our minds. And that it is through perception that we are able to imagine the sensation in our minds, this then leads to the question, "Does sound exist? Do the other elements that are brought in by our 'senses' exist? Or is it all on our minds?"
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does the tree really make a sound?I hope my fellow Ravenclaw members can solve the mystery and give their best thought out question, we are after all the smartest students known for our wit and intelligence.
It was nice meeting you all, I hope to interact with everyone here and in the RP areas of the guild!
TGS Welcome golden sage to Ravenclaw!! Thank you for the interesting theory and question that you posted.. xp I honestly think that as human beings we have senses to be able to live in this world. So, if the senses are all in our heads, then they are there for us to be able to survive. What do others think about this?
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:06 pm
Welcome Golden Sage. I DID respond to your post-but after I finished the huge soliliquy that took up half of my computer screen-the power went out. I can't find it in my heart to write it again just yet...so please forgive me for not immediately responding. I am so glad that you have joine this house, and I am so happy to be here! ^-^ I'm new! This guild is absolutely fantastic, and I come on here more than I have on any other guild!
Well-enough of me blabbing, I'm just glad to be here-and I hope the rest of you have a fantastic day!
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:34 pm
The_Golden_Sage Take for example nails on a chalkboard, it bothers some people, and other people can stand it, so we are obviously not hearing the same sound. Just because we have different reactions does not mean that we are hearing a different sound (not hearing the same sound=different sound). It means that the person is having a different sensory experience with the sound - some people have sensitive hearing, some people have a sensory disorder, and some people may find the sound enjoyable. It all relies on personal experience, mood, and neurological status.
The_Golden_Sage Take for example spicy food, sea food, and salty food. Some like certian kinds of food while others get sick after eating the, but it is the same food, but we are tasting something different in our mouthes.
Tasting the food and getting sick sometimes coincide, but sometimes not. For example, when I was younger I choked (rather badly actually) on licorice jelly beans - I can no longer eat anything licorice because of a gag reflex. In that, flavor and physical reaction coincide because of a physical memory. For those who are allergic to something - they may actually enjoy the flavor, but their body can't process it. The flavors are the same, they are interpreted differently because of a deficiency in their physical structure. Also, cultural diversity can have an influence on what someone enjoys (by exposure) versus what someone feels is disgusting (ex: vegamite, haggis)
The_Golden_Sage Lastly, take the example of pain, some can stand it more then others, and some like it, (boxing people, for example). Since we all experience pain, besides people whose nervous system is dead, there is a level of pain that we cannot stand, and it makes us not like it anymore. It is pain, but different levels of it, so we must be feeling something different. Again, not that we are feeling something different - it is a combination of life experience and physical structure. A mother who has given birth (or even a woman who has her period every month) may be able to experience more of a stomach issue than a child who is having their first stomach pain. They both may be experiencing food poisoning from the same dinner, but because of their physical set-up, they deal with it differently.
The_Golden_Sage With these examples it seems logical to say that senses are all in our minds and that things we experience exist cause we are able to experience them, and especially in different ways. Actually, I completely disagree with your statements altogether. I fail to see logic in the statements because they seem too simplistic without taking into account the individualistic experiences and genetic makeup of the human race - and thus sensory experiences. (Mind you now, this isn't personal, just a statement of my veiwpoint.)
The_Golden_Sage So if a tree falls, and no one is there to hear it fall, does the sound it is supposed to make really happen? Oh someone pointed out deaf people who can't hear, but CAN feel the vibration that is caused, this is a good point. The tree falls, and they feel it. But they still can't hear it. If someone couldn't feel anything, did the tree make vibrations at all? The point is that hearing, smelling, tasting, feeling, and seeing are all senses that are in our minds. And that it is through perception that we are able to imagine the sensation in our minds, this then leads to the question, "Does sound exist? Do the other elements that are brought in by our 'senses' exist? Or is it all on our minds?" Nothing is in our minds, whatsoever. That is conforming the world to our mind, which is not capable of handling the massive idea that is the world. One of the problems that I have with society is that we insist on conforming everything that we see in our lives to something that we can 'understand.' There is no way to definitively state this one way or the other, simply because 'sensation' is a completely personal experience - you can't say you should be feeling/tasting this when they are feeling/tasting something else.
I look forward to reading your response to the question for new Ravenclaws (on the first page).
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:36 pm
"Once Upon a midnight dreary"
Have you ever thought of the English language as an art? Honestly-does anyone realize how difficult-but how beautiful it is?
When an artist goes up to his canvas-he picks his main colors, and lights and shadows, complimentary colors and focal pont. When one is writing it is much the same. Your canvas is your white parchment, your paintbrush is your pencil (or quill if you prefer) then you start with your main colors: a plot, the characters and an idea. After that you bring out the color with adjectives, lighten up with adverbs and darken with pronouns, and when you're finished-is there not one point that is your focal? Painting with words is one of the hardest and most beautiful gifts on this earth. To truly capture the essence of each sound and texture of a word-so that you can taste it on your tongue as you speak. Is it not a gift to cherish, a pleasure beyond all measure? (Yes I know-I am OBSESSED with the English language and writing)
Who here likes poetry, acting, singing, drawing, or writing?....they are all the finer more tangible and palpable parts of art in this world. Talk to me about words, reading and writing...they are the loves of my soul.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:37 pm
Oh! Hi Orna-how are you today?
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:39 pm
I'm doing good - getting ready to head to bed though.. I'm so tired! *snore*
I loved your post, I think it's fascinating to see what people view as art - it's always dependent on what they're passionate about. smile
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:48 pm
Orna I'm doing good - getting ready to head to bed though.. I'm so tired! *snore*
I loved your post, I think it's fascinating to see what people view as art - it's always dependent on what they're passionate about. smile
Oh-thank you so much. I'm glad you liked it... quite honestly I don't know where it came from. I am passionate about the English language, about writing and reading, I love them all! Art is almost a "laid-back" word isn't it? It CAN mean so many things! It can refer to drawing or painting, even dancing, singing, writing, building, carving....almost anything! It just depends on how you look at it. ^-^ Thanks for commenting, I was so glad to see a fellow Ravenclaw online too! Well-I won't keep you up too late. Thanks again, and i hope you have a great day...er night! ha ha.
Empress_Cat
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:27 am
I love that you love to write! I'm a writer also and I think all languages are a beautiful art form, I love especially the romantic languages. Spanish is so beautiful and it sounds great. Anyways, I'm excited because tommorrow I'm going to work on my final group project for japanese...well I'm not excited for the work but because the guy I like is in my group! hehe, I know I'm such a nerd! How is your week going for all of you?
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:58 am
This exam is going to kill me.. Three more days.. And then 4 weeks of relentless worrying to find out if I passed and can finally get a job! *dies*
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:26 pm
Sorry Orna, I totally forgot about the question on the first page, I was discussing it with LadyHealingHands, and forgot to come here and talk about it. My strengths are in my wit and learning of course, but besides that, I feel that my strengths are in my presence on stage, in front of people, speaking. Logic and reason and persuading are also attributes I like to think I am crafty in. We'll see if I can get you to see how I see. Or at least to get you to see where I'm coming from. As always, it's not personal, we'll have no problems between us. smile Orna Just because we have different reactions does not mean that we are hearing a different sound (not hearing the same sound=different sound). It means that the person is having a different sensory experience with the sound - some people have sensitive hearing, some people have a sensory disorder, and some people may find the sound enjoyable. It all relies on personal experience, mood, and neurological status.
Orna
Tasting the food and getting sick sometimes coincide, but sometimes not. For example, when I was younger I choked (rather badly actually) on licorice jelly beans - I can no longer eat anything licorice because of a gag reflex. In that, flavor and physical reaction coincide because of a physical memory. For those who are allergic to something - they may actually enjoy the flavor, but their body can't process it. The flavors are the same, they are interpreted differently because of a deficiency in their physical structure. Also, cultural diversity can have an influence on what someone enjoys (by exposure) versus what someone feels is disgusting (ex: vegamite, haggis)
As for the people who love a particular food but are allergic to it, the physical means of not being able to eat the food does not change our mind telling us that we like it. The physical ability to be able to intake food or not, for whatever reasons, does not matter once our mind is made up. The physical can change the mental, hence the choking, but the mental it's self is sending us information telling us if we like it or not, and that different opinion that we all have because we all have different tastes of licorice (and all food) is what I'm referring to.Orna Again, not that we are feeling something different - it is a combination of life experience and physical structure. A mother who has given birth (or even a woman who has her period every month) may be able to experience more of a stomach issue than a child who is having their first stomach pain. They both may be experiencing food poisoning from the same dinner, but because of their physical set-up, they deal with it differently.
Orna Actually, I completely disagree with your statements altogether. I fail to see logic in the statements because they seem too simplistic without taking into account the individualistic experiences and genetic makeup of the human race - and thus sensory experiences. (Mind you now, this isn't personal, just a statement of my veiwpoint.)
The individualistic experiences and genetic makeup of the human race and sensory experiences are what make us all different. They are what make us unique, and they are what enable us to say, "I like that taste," "I don't like that feeling," "That color is mauve, not purple," "That music is too loud for me." Etc.
So now some would say that if I agree that our individualistic experiences, genetic makeup of the human race, and sensory experiences are what make us all different, then why do I argue that it is all in our minds? Because it is our minds that allow for all of this to happen. Our minds are what communicate to us what we like and don't like. Our mind tells us that we were born with an allergic reaction to this food, even though it tastes good to us. Our mind lets us know that since we had an accident that we can no longer enjoy that which made us feel bad. That is why it's all in our minds. Orna Nothing is in our minds, whatsoever. That is conforming the world to our mind, which is not capable of handling the massive idea that is the world. One of the problems that I have with society is that we insist on conforming everything that we see in our lives to something that we can 'understand.' There is no way to definitively state this one way or the other, simply because 'sensation' is a completely personal experience - you can't say you should be feeling/tasting this when they are feeling/tasting something else.
I look forward to reading your response to the question for new Ravenclaws (on the first page).
You're right, there is no way to tell what we are actually feeling inside us because we don't have the first person view of someone else's mind. But we do have their testimonies in simple tests that give us the answer. I'm not saying that someone SHOULD be feeling this way or that way, in case you thought I was, I'm saying that they ARE feeling something else, something different. That something else could be the same from you to me on a level that we can measure with machines, but there are other levels that we cannot test (the mind basically) that give us our different perceptions of the world around us. Everything is different for everyone.
We can make different categories of how much we do or do not like something, like in a scale from one to ten, and we may seem to match, but on the levels that we cannot test, we feel differently.
Since those levels are not testable, we won't bother with them. Which brings us back to what we can test. The nails on the chalkboard. Some like it, some don't, some don't mind. Based on this simplistic example, and the others as well, it is logical to say that people perceive the same events differently in their minds.
Sorry it took a few days to respond. And I know I don't have to say this but: Remember, I'm not taking it personally. I like having someone to talk to about stuff like this!
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:45 pm
NEW ROLE PLAYHey fellow Ravenclaw members, I've created a new role play in the Role Plays subforum. So if you enjoy role playing, please check it out! Assembled Once Again
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