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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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 Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:44 pm
Medeus Wantcookie Clearly. It is self evident and impossible to disprove. Interesting analysis. If that's true, than how is it possible for so many people in one place to disagree about everything? Then it isn't a finite truth because it isn't entirely self evident and it isn't completely impossible to disprove. In my mind, mathematics is the easiest example of a finite truth in this regard. In all forms of the expression, be it physical, abstract, or otherwise, two and two will always make four, no? On the other hand, the mathematical academicians provide an example of what isn't a finite truth. You no doubt understand the arguments about whether or not 0.9999999999 is close enough to 1 to be considered the same, correct? Here it is less the mathematics themselves that are not finite truths, but rather the specific idea placed before the people who decide certain minor technical conventions regarding the field in question.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:47 pm
Wantcookie Medeus Wantcookie Clearly. It is self evident and impossible to disprove. Interesting analysis. If that's true, than how is it possible for so many people in one place to disagree about everything? Then it isn't a finite truth because it isn't entirely self evident and it isn't completely impossible to disprove. In my mind, mathematics is the easiest example of a finite truth in this regard. In all forms of the expression, be it physical, abstract, or otherwise, two and two will always make four, no? On the other hand, the mathematical academicians provide an example of what isn't a finite truth. You no doubt understand the arguments about whether or not 0.9999999999 is close enough to 1 to be considered the same, correct? Here it is less the mathematics themselves that are not finite truths, but rather the specific idea placed before the people who decide certain minor technical conventions regarding the field in question. So even in Mathematics, there's room for reasonable doubt?
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:52 pm
Medeus Wantcookie Medeus Wantcookie Clearly. It is self evident and impossible to disprove. Interesting analysis. If that's true, than how is it possible for so many people in one place to disagree about everything? Then it isn't a finite truth because it isn't entirely self evident and it isn't completely impossible to disprove. In my mind, mathematics is the easiest example of a finite truth in this regard. In all forms of the expression, be it physical, abstract, or otherwise, two and two will always make four, no? On the other hand, the mathematical academicians provide an example of what isn't a finite truth. You no doubt understand the arguments about whether or not 0.9999999999 is close enough to 1 to be considered the same, correct? Here it is less the mathematics themselves that are not finite truths, but rather the specific idea placed before the people who decide certain minor technical conventions regarding the field in question. So even in Mathematics, there's room for reasonable doubt? Only in unimportant minor areas. Plus, all of those issues go away when it becomes applied mathematics. For instance, if I'm just trying to find out how many cups of water I need for a modified recipe, I'm gonna go with one, but if I'm trying to build a bridge I'm going to go with 0.99999 because it means something a little different, and the consequences of rounding could be rather dire.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:01 pm
Wantcookie Medeus Wantcookie Medeus Wantcookie Clearly. It is self evident and impossible to disprove. Interesting analysis. If that's true, than how is it possible for so many people in one place to disagree about everything? Then it isn't a finite truth because it isn't entirely self evident and it isn't completely impossible to disprove. In my mind, mathematics is the easiest example of a finite truth in this regard. In all forms of the expression, be it physical, abstract, or otherwise, two and two will always make four, no? On the other hand, the mathematical academicians provide an example of what isn't a finite truth. You no doubt understand the arguments about whether or not 0.9999999999 is close enough to 1 to be considered the same, correct? Here it is less the mathematics themselves that are not finite truths, but rather the specific idea placed before the people who decide certain minor technical conventions regarding the field in question. So even in Mathematics, there's room for reasonable doubt? Only in unimportant minor areas. Plus, all of those issues go away when it becomes applied mathematics. For instance, if I'm just trying to find out how many cups of water I need for a modified recipe, I'm gonna go with one, but if I'm trying to build a bridge I'm going to go with 0.99999 because it means something a little different, and the consequences of rounding could be rather dire. Sounds like the problem then is in the Application of Reasonable Truths, eh?
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:06 pm
Medeus Wantcookie Medeus Wantcookie Medeus Wantcookie Clearly. It is self evident and impossible to disprove. Interesting analysis. If that's true, than how is it possible for so many people in one place to disagree about everything? Then it isn't a finite truth because it isn't entirely self evident and it isn't completely impossible to disprove. In my mind, mathematics is the easiest example of a finite truth in this regard. In all forms of the expression, be it physical, abstract, or otherwise, two and two will always make four, no? On the other hand, the mathematical academicians provide an example of what isn't a finite truth. You no doubt understand the arguments about whether or not 0.9999999999 is close enough to 1 to be considered the same, correct? Here it is less the mathematics themselves that are not finite truths, but rather the specific idea placed before the people who decide certain minor technical conventions regarding the field in question. So even in Mathematics, there's room for reasonable doubt? Only in unimportant minor areas. Plus, all of those issues go away when it becomes applied mathematics. For instance, if I'm just trying to find out how many cups of water I need for a modified recipe, I'm gonna go with one, but if I'm trying to build a bridge I'm going to go with 0.99999 because it means something a little different, and the consequences of rounding could be rather dire. Sounds like the problem then is in the Application of Reasonable Truths, eh? I suppose it is.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:09 pm
Could you guys please move this to the DDT?
Cookie, could you maybe quote him there so he'll go?
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:14 pm
Sure, but this is startin' to get a little ridiculous. neutral
Ain't no real reason to complain, though. *Shrug*
If he doesn't do it in his next post, I'll take it there.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:19 pm
i have no idea what he's trying to prove and i have no idea what any of these questions are leading to
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:19 pm
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:23 pm
Orphie i have no idea what he's trying to prove and i have no idea what any of these questions are leading to Neither do I, I'm just along for the ride. As far as I can tell, there isn't a point to be proven here, but rather one to be sought, if that makes any sense.
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:39 pm
Wantcookie Orphie i have no idea what he's trying to prove and i have no idea what any of these questions are leading to Neither do I, I'm just along for the ride. As far as I can tell, there isn't a point to be proven here, but rather one to be sought, if that makes any sense. yeah, i think i get what youre saying
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:42 pm
So now that all that tl;dr stuff is over, here's something short you can read.
It's time for a story from Dulnair's fledgling lizard-child past! :D
Or whatever the ******** I am.
So back in elementary school, I got this friend, and his name was Greg. I got invited to his house once, and we were all like, "Wooooo!" It was a two-story house, all fancy 'n' s**t. He even had a REAL SUPER NINTENDO OMG. All my stuff was on emulators. We reveled in our shared passion of Super Metroid and idfk, it was, like, third-grade.
But then it was time for me to go home, but we traded EMAIL ADDRESSES. 'Cuz we both had AOL. ******** BADASS, BITCHES. INTERNET WITH A BUILT-IN INSTANT MESSAGING SYSTEM.
Oh lordy, when I got home, I eventually found the time to put him into my AOL fraaands list. And eventually he signed on.
Me: Hello Greg! (I have always been very careful with my English.)
Me: Like, wow, we're talking on the internet! (Actually, idfk what I typed. This is from the days of AOL.)
Me: So like, stuff and stuff!
And then I got his reply.
Stranger: I'M NOT GREG!!!
Me: Oh. Sorry.
Me: Are you sure? Greg gave me this email and...
Stranger: I'M NOT GREG!!!!!!!!
:I
I never found out what happened. I think he gave some excuse and then moved away. Blow to my ******** ego, maaan. I went through a few periods of embarrassment and grief about bothering that stranger that no anxious, eager-to-please little dipshit should've gone through.
But years later, but not too many years later since it was still the AOL era, I'm having a fabulous time on AOL's redzone kidplace thing. It was pretty hip and cool and I wanted to download ALL the games through our 2kb/s dial-up. Guess who signed in? ******** GREG. SAME EMAIL ADDRESS.
But no, it wasn't really Greg, just some stranger. ...Right?
Me: Oh wow, Greg!
Me: We haven't talked in forever!
Me: Do you remember? We were friends in elementary school!
Me: Gosh golly, that's so weird!
Me: Greg?
Stranger: IT'S NOT GREG!!!!!!!!!!!
:I
Cue the embarrassment and grief again. Oh, the agony, and the plague that is memory of this event.
And now that I've grown up I want to dig up this guy's email address and call him Greg.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:45 pm
Today I learned that Dul met his very first troll in the third grade, and that his name was not Greg.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:49 pm
Cabron LaSwan Today I learned that Dul met his very first troll in the third grade, and that his name was not Greg. That was, like, a troll manager.He delegated his dirty work to me and I harassed some poor, innocent stranger. ; - ;
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:51 pm
Dulnair Cabron LaSwan Today I learned that Dul met his very first troll in the third grade, and that his name was not Greg. That was, like, a troll manager.He delegated his dirty work to me and I harassed some poor, innocent stranger. ; - ; That actually sounds like the kind of prank a third-grader would pull. If it wasn't Greg, then it was probably someone whose address he'd given out before, judging by how mad his responses seemed. lol
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