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 Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:36 pm
And finally... I've been asked by a few people about my personal feelings about the situation... As you can tell I've yet to express my actual feelings about this...I've held back until I got all of the information about what happened.
Remember... This is only an opinion and emotions... No flaming or hatred should come from ANYONE posting their feelings about the situation. I really do want all of you to post how you feel.. It really helps the healing process.
Shocked doesn't even begin to explain how I feel. We can look back on Benoit and think of all of the good things he did in the WWE/WCW/ECW/New Japan wrestling/stampede wrestling. It's great to remember people for what they did in life.. not how they met their end. That's just focusing on the worst of someone. However I feel that I'll never speak in a positive regard over this man because of what he did... To think of myself as a former fan I believe is a fair statement.. I'm not going to say I never liked Benoit because I know that I liked Benoit's wrestling style and grace in the ring. This only pretains to his wrestling though. My personal opinion... Not so nice:
My personal thoughts on what happened on June 25, 2007:
Science is telling us that he did do what we feared he did. Do I believe it? Sadly I have to say yes, now I do. Did I at first? I was praying HARD that something other then what had happened did happen. Not that I was in full denial, but I was holding on to hope that one of my favorite wrestlers wasn't a murderer. I am disgusted in what has happened because people looked up to Benoit... Wrestlers, fans, his own children. It's horrible that his last acts on earth were driven by some un-Godly emotion that ended the lives of two innocent people (note two.. not three). I really really feel for his two children and the rest of his family. They are left to hear all of the hatred towards someone they loved dearly. They are left with knowing that their father killed himself (to me the MOST selfish act) after destroying two innocent people. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives.... something no one should have to do. What a nightmare... My thoughts go out to the family.
I am sad, disgusted, and pissed off because not only does this show wrestling in a HORRIBLE light (the media assuming it was roid rage) but it'll leave nothing but angry sentiment and hatred towards someone that did indeed have a great career in entertaining the masses. Does he deserve to be hated? You're damn right he does. Innocent people died at his hands for what reason??? We might never know why he did what he did.
I'm still trying to fully process everything.. that's as far as I've gotten with my feelings about the situation. Will I miss him? Part of me says yes... part of me asks the other part "how could you miss him after THAT". I don't think either side is wrong either. It's part of "getting over" what I've seen, read, and heard in the past two days.
Yet again I want to encourage everyone to feel free to post your feelings about what's happened. I'll keep an eye on things here and make sure that no one gets slammed for their opinions.
*Hugs* Thanks for talking about this so far guildies! You're truly a great group of people! Please don't worry about posting.. you're safe here! smile
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:52 am
I still don't want to believe that Benoit was responsible for this. No, I didn't know him personally. But he was one of my wrestling heroes. He was one of the wrestlers I emulated when I had a small stint wrestling years ago. But, all the evidence is leading everyone to believe that he did do it. Though, I don't know why, but I can't shake the feeling that there is alot more than is being let on. Maybe all the evidence leads to the easy explanation that Benoit killed his family, but I don't know. Like I said, I can't shake the feeling that there's alot more to this case than just Benoit having a psychotic breakdown, asphyxiating his wife and son, then hanging himself.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, and maybe this parallel is too far off and inappropriate, but to me this reeks of the Cobain suicide. Too many questions in my mind and no answers at all. The worst part about this instance though is that a child was killed in the chaos. As a parent with two kids, it makes me wonder what would drive someone to kill their child.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:15 pm
I check the news post like a million times a day, hoping that they're gonna say its a mistake, somebody else did it, anything at all to that effect.
But all I read is more and more that makes me so sick inside and so sad, for him, for the family, for all of the superstars and fans.
The only thing I can do to get past it is to say that it wasn't the Benoit we watched-its not the Benoit that I have admired and loved for years. Call it denial if you want-to me, its a river in Egypt (ha-ha cheesy I know). But if you think about it, its the truth. Something in him snapped, and it CAN'T have been the Benoit we know. It can't!
I'm with Lady Go Lightly-I am sad, hurt, shocked, and very pissed. But I feel better coming here and reading posts, and knowing that I an not the only one to miss him, but I miss the old Benoit, not the one that did this horrible thing. I don't know if more will come out to change my mind, it really hurts to have to make a 180 decision about someone whom you've basically looked up to for so long.
Posting here has helped me get a lot of emotions out-and again, I am grateful that I can do so. I have truly enjoyed every second of belonging to this guild. Sharing info, insights and opinions w/ fellow fans is a blast.
Ya'll are awesome!! I love ya all!!
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:47 pm
well fianlly im bac in gaia and the fact is that it still such a shock to me .. i would tell my feeling but i believe untill i hear everything ill keep my thoughts to my self for now
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:07 pm
I've been keeping up with the news, outside Gaia, and I feel more confused and shocked and a bit angry, that he would kill his wife and child, as the news come in and as well having to put up with the Paris Hilton s**t, even the information is coming through, I'm still confused, on what's going through Chris Benoit's mind before that happened. In fact, what's the reason for this senseless killing? And what drove this great man, into killing?
I kept thinking, and thinking, and I gave up thinking, what drove this great man turning into some man that I don't know, perhaps it's true, that I should just start disrespecting this man, that I once loved, maybe, but the one in the television I adored, but now, that man that I adored his dead, and it deeply deeply hurt me, that I looked up to a murderer, now don't get me wrong, I respect his career and his life, but.. I'm sorry, I don't know how to look up to a person who had passed away this bad. I simply can't look up to him now, where so many thinks we should respect his career which we should.
I may go around in circles, this has truly deeply saddened and shocked me, when a friend told me that Chris Benoit had died, I told them that they're bsing me, but.. I know that they're not the type to kid around, and the fact that Chris Benoit DID die along with his son and wife.
I.. I don't know.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:41 pm
I think maybe a point needs to be made to everyone here. You do not need to feel bad that you looked up to Chris in the past. There's no way to know right now exactly what happened over the course of the three days everything went down. Don't feel like you have to automatically dislike someone who has done something very bad in the now, but wasn't bad in the past. There are literally thousands of reasons for how and why this COULD have happened. I'm sure that whatever reason is true, made sense in some way to Chris when he did these things. I'm not saying it's okay that he did this, but don't dismiss the man's entire life because of 72 hours.
I still believe that he was one of the best professionals ever, and does deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame is meant to recognize the achievements of an individual or individuals in the business over the course of their entire careers. One event at the end of a life doesn't just nullify everything that person did up until that point. Pete Rose was by far one of the great baseball players of modern times. His stats are far superior to alot of the men already in the Baseball Hall of Fame. When he committed a crime, did it erase all those accomplishments? No, it just showed that even the best men or women have times of weakness or evil. The old adage still works..."People make mistakes; they're only human."
Some people may feel differently...that's fine. Just understand that you're allowed to still like what he was, and feel sorrow that circumstances arose that changed him at the end.
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Wolf-Eye Ronin Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:26 am
Article from the Associated Press posted Thursday evening (yes I know I locked a post about this already, but alas I did that because we already have a thread here):
ATLANTA (AP) --" Investigators are looking into who altered pro wrestler Chris Benoit's Wikipedia entry to mention his wife's death hours before authorities discovered the bodies of the couple and their 7-year-old son.
Benoit's Wikipedia entry was altered early Monday to say that the wrestler had missed a match two days earlier because of his wife's death.
A Wikipedia official, Cary Bass, said Thursday that the entry was made by someone using an Internet protocol address registered in Stamford, Conn., where World Wrestling Entertainment is based.
An IP address, a unique series of numbers carried by every machine connected to the Internet, does not necessarily have to be broadcast from where it is registered. The bodies were found in Benoit's home in suburban Atlanta, and it's not known where the posting was sent from, Bass said."
Talk about strange. I hope they can go backwards from the IP address and find out who sent this (or atleast where it was sent from). Maybe it was Benoit... Maybe it wasn't... This is information that's important in my opinion. If that entry came from somewhere else that definately stinks of motive. Now I'm not going and making any theories I just hope they actually push forward with investigating this matter.
Thoughts? Please feel free to post... I won't let anyone go off on anyone else.. I promise. Just please no off the wall conspiracy theories that say that he's still alive. That'll just piss me off LOL. What does everyone think about the new info?
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:42 am
There is one other thing that has me curious.....one of his text msg to his friends was that "dogs are in the enclosed pool area-garage side door is open"...but police said they couldn't get in right away because the dogs were roaming freely in the yard.....I am not familiar w/ the layout of the property, but that just sounds weird, fishy, not right......why tell someone that the dogs are enclosed, and then they aren't?? .....Then again, why kill your family and yourself?
I just want so badly to read that it wasn't him...my boyfriend tells me to quit reading all the news things-says I am driving myself crazy over it...so, Ronin, your post above helps me a lot, because it is so hard to turn off the admiration I have for Benoit, the wrestler....it would help to read that it was something else, not him.
Okay, I am rambling now....going back to bed.....thanks for letting me pour it out....but let me know what ya'll think about the thing w/ the dogs-cause that is sticking in my head as out of place.
Nite-nite!
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:50 am
The anonymous individual responsible for suggesting, 14 hours before police discovered the body, that WWE wrestler Chris Benoit's wife was dead is confessing, saying his/her comment was a "terrible coincidence." The anonymous editor left a lengthy apology to the Wikimedia community, explaining, "I hope this puts an end to this speculation that someone knew about the tragedy before it was discovered." Here is a link you can use to read the full, unedited apology I didn't add it because it's way to big to post
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:12 pm
tink71 There is one other thing that has me curious.....one of his text msg to his friends was that "dogs are in the enclosed pool area-garage side door is open"...but police said they couldn't get in right away because the dogs were roaming freely in the yard.....I am not familiar w/ the layout of the property, but that just sounds weird, fishy, not right......why tell someone that the dogs are enclosed, and then they aren't?? .....Then again, why kill your family and yourself? To me, that actually sounds like Chris making sure his dogs would be cared for. If you knew you were about to die and had pets, wouldn't you want to make sure someone knew to care for them? That also further proves that he was in complete control of himself. A roided up maniac doesn't think about his dogs' food dish before he kills himself...
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Wolf-Eye Ronin Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:18 am
i was shocked when i heard about this.i was round a friends and it got bought up and i just couldnt belive it.after checking wwe.com,i could still barely beilive it.
chris benoit was an amazing man.theres been people saying things like 'so what if he was an amazing man,he ended up as a psycho killer',or it was 'roid rage'.prove it.who knows what drives a man to do this,but i cannot belive that it was down to steroids,nor that all of a sudden he just flipped and killed his family then himself.no.
and screw vince apolgising.the man did more for the company than most,he deserved a tribute,whether he was in the wrong or not.if a wrestler od'd on drugs they would get a tribute.benoit was in the state of mind to kill himself and his family,there mustve been some reasoning because he couldnt do it normally.
favourite benoit moments:
-wrestlemania 20,where he won the world title from triple h and celebrated in the ring
-the first ever tlc match on smackdown,when he defended the tag titles with chris jericho
-his constant feud with kurt angle,especially when he put the gold medals down his tights lol
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:04 am
Wolf-Eye Ronin tink71 There is one other thing that has me curious.....one of his text msg to his friends was that "dogs are in the enclosed pool area-garage side door is open"...but police said they couldn't get in right away because the dogs were roaming freely in the yard.....I am not familiar w/ the layout of the property, but that just sounds weird, fishy, not right......why tell someone that the dogs are enclosed, and then they aren't?? .....Then again, why kill your family and yourself? To me, that actually sounds like Chris making sure his dogs would be cared for. If you knew you were about to die and had pets, wouldn't you want to make sure someone knew to care for them? That also further proves that he was in complete control of himself. A roided up maniac doesn't think about his dogs' food dish before he kills himself... I didn't even think about that....I am still wanting so badly for it not to be what it is, and yet everything proves that it is what it is. And it just sucks so bad! I found my old "Four Horseman" shirt Friday night-the one w/ Flair,Arn, Mongo, and Chris. And I cried, and hugged it, and put it back up. That's the Benoit I grew up with, that's the Benoit that should go into the Hall of Fame, that's the Benoit I will always remember.
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:28 am
tink71 Wolf-Eye Ronin tink71 There is one other thing that has me curious.....one of his text msg to his friends was that "dogs are in the enclosed pool area-garage side door is open"...but police said they couldn't get in right away because the dogs were roaming freely in the yard.....I am not familiar w/ the layout of the property, but that just sounds weird, fishy, not right......why tell someone that the dogs are enclosed, and then they aren't?? .....Then again, why kill your family and yourself? To me, that actually sounds like Chris making sure his dogs would be cared for. If you knew you were about to die and had pets, wouldn't you want to make sure someone knew to care for them? That also further proves that he was in complete control of himself. A roided up maniac doesn't think about his dogs' food dish before he kills himself... I didn't even think about that....I am still wanting so badly for it not to be what it is, and yet everything proves that it is what it is. And it just sucks so bad! I found my old "Four Horseman" shirt Friday night-the one w/ Flair,Arn, Mongo, and Chris. And I cried, and hugged it, and put it back up. That's the Benoit I grew up with, that's the Benoit that should go into the Hall of Fame, that's the Benoit I will always remember. in retrospect,all it seems he was trying to do was what he thought was right. and i know what you mean,i spent better part of yesterday watching wrestlers tributes to him and old matches of his.damn near bought a tear to my eye
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:06 am
i just think its a very sad situation. Benoit must've been very mixed up in the head to do what he did, but who's to know for sure. Who are we to sit here and judge anyone, as horrible a thing as it is, our thoughts and prayers must surely go out to the surviving members of the benoit family, after all his other kids have also lost their dad.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:47 pm
toxicology reports are back......xanax's in all three of them, plus hydros in both Chris and Nancy...she also had methadone and a BAC of .184....his BAC was zero, but his testosterone level was 10 times the normal amount
so thats it....he lost it and he did it.....i read an online post of a theory that kevin sullivan was behind it....and read it wanting to believe it, but it was really utterly ridiculous and i knew deep down that wasnt what happened
you just never want to believe that Benoit would ever be known as a "fallen hero"
i will still miss him forever.....he was so breathtaking to watch in the ring
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