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Cdore

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:32 am


Yariel blocks the incoming end, this time ready, with the blade in his left, while moving his right foot right, and stepping his left foot counter clockwise in a quarter circle. The polearm was tough, so the blade wouldn't dig into it by a significant amount nor get stuck due to the slickeness of its surface.

But what he does do is that when the polearm left the wooden sword, while Yariel rose his left hand for the block with the blade, his right descends, swinging from behind Tiem's left leg to strike at the back of his thigh in a rotation manner of his arm. Sorta like how a person moves their arm in a semi circle to beat a rug. That's how it was, to show that this was going to sting.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:18 pm


Parry, riposte.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:45 am


question
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:50 pm


par·ry
verb, -ried, -ry·ing, noun, plural -ries.
–verb (used with object)
1. to ward off (a thrust, stroke, weapon, etc.), as in fencing; avert.
2. to turn aside; evade or dodge: to parry an embarrassing question.
–verb (used without object)
3. to parry a thrust, blow, etc.
–noun
4. an act or instance of parrying, as in fencing.
5. a defensive movement in fencing.




ri·poste
verb, -post·ed, -post·ing.
–noun
1. a quick, sharp return in speech or action; counterstroke: a brilliant riposte to an insult.
2. Fencing. a quick thrust given after parrying a lunge.
–verb (used without object)
3. to make a riposte.
4. to reply or retaliate.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:12 pm


>_>;; Uh....yeah. More clarification please? If you're going to fight, at least be serious about it. Well, not hardcore rper serious, but yeah....
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:25 pm


I stopped being serious after about the third post.

This is the part where I stop bothering to include detail, because as far as I can tell it's perfectly acceptable to do things just because I want them to be done.

So parry, riposte.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:13 pm


Cdore
when the polearm left the wooden sword

It never did... not until Yariel initiated a strike of his own. Tiem was always pushing forwards with it against whatever Yariel decided to throw back. The knife blade was being pressed against, the wooden sword was being pressed against.

After all, this was an offensive. He was pressing forwards, and like it was stated before, the boy would not give his opponent room to even breathe.

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his right descends, swinging from behind Tiem's left leg to strike at the back of his thigh in a rotation manner of his arm.

When the resistance against the 'rear' end of the polearm was removed Tiem would step forwards with his left, just as he'd promised earlier. What would happen would be a re-enactment of the scene that hadn't taken place yet.

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With a step forwards to place his left foot behind Yariel's right and a turn of the body clockwise, Tiem snapped the shortstaff back and spun it around Yariel's side. If the elf had let go to grab the sword, then Tiem would step in under his arm; if he was still holding on then the step would be up against the elf, pressing against the arm. As for the staff, the aft end of the shaft would spin up behind the elf's right shoulder to crack against the back of his hooded cranium.

It was the second strike that was a knockout blow intended to cause a concussion.

Thirdly, the boy pushed off with his right foot; slamming his left shoulder against the side of Yariel's body while spinning the staff once more to the front.

There were only two differences to note about the difference between this attack and what that one would have been.

The first was that instead of spinning the shortstaff around Yariel's back to strike at him, it would instead be a straight vertical strike for the right side of his jaw; the 'front' end dropping when the weapon shifted from a horizontal to a vertical orientation.

The second was that Yariel already had the sword in hand... hell, he was trying to use it at the moment. Trying... Because when the boy stepped in it would be under the arm, vastly restricting the range of motion available for a swinging strike like the elf was intending. It'd be more like a pat on the a** after that than an attack; heck, with the change in distance between them Yariel could probably get a firm handful if he wanted.

If the elf was struck with that shoulder, his own footing and that of the boy's would mean that this fight was about to be grounded.




In summary: Parry, riposte.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:08 pm


((That's more like it.))

He reacts appropriately by ducking his head to the right, while his left hand slides up the pole, the blade going with it, until he could press it against the polearm from the bottom, being barely between the mask of Yariel and the weapon itself to stop it. The flat end was against the polearm, so Yariel could have more surface area to hold back this weapon. Because Yariel had brought his arm up like this, his left elbow would be up and pointing to the left and forward, as the attempt to keep the other end from coming too close had to be done in an unorthodox way, which was his left hand raising while his arm of that hand adjusts.

At the same time, Yariel's right foot would step to the right. After his left foot before had did that counter-clockwise sweep, his right continued so he could keep going around Tiem from the left. That meant the left foot of Tiem would step in but be positioned instead to the very left (Yariel's) of the elf's right foot. And what happens now? His left foot performs that counter-clockwise quarter circle again, so the left shoulder charge would miss again, while Yariel raises pushes his left arm up to place even more distance between the lance and his body. So by the time the shoulder charge was done, Yariel was to the left of Tiem, evading it with swift movements

Now, he raises his left arm, and keeps his forearm vertical, sliding his right foot behind Tiem's left. Because of this polearm retalitation, the swing for Tiem's left thigh was delayed, but when he positions himself at this point now, Yariel stabs the wooden sword over Tiem's right shoulder, twists his wrist to make it cross to the other side of Tiem's neck from the front, then has his left hand grasp the end that comes for it. In other words, Yariel would place Tiem into an effective chokehold with the weapon, assuming it works out this way. But with Tiem always pushing and performing on the whim movements, he probably would be a second too late to try to at least stop the choke.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:57 pm


Cdore
((That's more like it.))

(( I put the detail back in.

Still not taking it seriously, but eh. I'm only still here because I don't feel like leaving and being happy. ))

Cdore
He reacts appropriately by ducking his head to the right, while his left hand slides up the pole, the blade going with it, until he could press it against the polearm from the bottom, being barely between the mask of Yariel and the weapon itself to stop it.

The flat end was against the polearm, so Yariel could have more surface area to hold back this weapon. Because Yariel had brought his arm up like this, his left elbow would be up and pointing to the left and forward, as the attempt to keep the other end from coming too close had to be done in an unorthodox way, which was his left hand raising while his arm of that hand adjusts.

(( Confusing as hell, but assuming it says "he uses the knife to intercept the stick".

Okay, cool. Letting it slide that he's reaching across his body to block a two-handed strike with a double-edged light weapon, and that what probably would have happened is that it'd just get slammed against his neck. Though it'd be quite fortunate that it's only the flat and not the edge.

Letting that slide, moving on. ))

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At the same time, Yariel's right foot would step to the right. After his left foot before had did that counter-clockwise sweep, his right continued so he could keep going around Tiem from the left. That meant the left foot of Tiem would step in but be positioned instead to the very left (Yariel's) of the elf's right foot. And what happens now? His left foot performs that counter-clockwise quarter circle again, so the left shoulder charge would miss again, while Yariel raises pushes his left arm up to place even more distance between the lance and his body. So by the time the shoulder charge was done, Yariel was to the left of Tiem, evading it with swift movements

(( Letting it slide that you took 3 steps in the time it took me to perform one, which was done before the attack which you just blocked. Moving on. ))

Cdore
Now, he raises his left arm, and keeps his forearm vertical, sliding his right foot behind Tiem's left. Because of this polearm retalitation, the swing for Tiem's left thigh was delayed, but when he positions himself at this point now, Yariel stabs the wooden sword over Tiem's right shoulder, twists his wrist to make it cross to the other side of Tiem's neck from the front, then has his left hand grasp the end that comes for it. In other words, Yariel would place Tiem into an effective chokehold with the weapon, assuming it works out this way. But with Tiem always pushing and performing on the whim movements, he probably would be a second too late to try to at least stop the choke.

(( Ignoring the omnipresent statement from earlier that Tiem would remain facing Yariel at all times due to the fact that he's not a dingus, we'll let it slide that the fourth step during my single one gets you up behind me.

Because you're just way too fast for me to keep up with.

Letting that slide, moving on. ))




So now it was a chokehold. Yariel behind, Tiem in front. The wooden sword performing it.

Hell... the kid almost had to laugh.

"'s been fun, gai."

And then the spear shaft hit the grate below them.

And then Yariel would hit the grate below them.

Once the chokehold had been established two things would happen; the first would be that Tiem dropped the pole he was holding; the second would be that his two free hands went to use. The left grabbed onto Yariel's left wrist firmly, the right went to his shoulder. Reaching back over his head, and over Yariel's head, the boy grabbed a handful of the elf's robe at the back of his right shoulder and twisted it firmly around his hand to get a solid grip. Then it was just a matter of the boy being on the bottom.

He leaned forwards, ramming his lower back and buttocks into Yariel's midsection with a sudden thrust of his lower body, while at the same time jerking forwards on the elf's upper body. It was one of the simplest maneuvers out there, an over-the-shoulder throw.

The knife that Yariel was somehow holding along with the wooden sword in his left hand? Well, the hand was going to move. He couldn't get a real grip on the wooden weapon with something already in his hand, and if he'd decided to drop it in favor of the choke, then there'd really be nothing to worry about anyways. The wrist firmly in grip, Tiem kept the elf's left hand clear during the entire process; from the point Yariel's feet left the ground to the point where his back slammed against the pole laying on the steel grate below them.

The entire process took barely longer than it took the pole to hit the grate.

It would promptly be followed with some ground n' pound action.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:27 pm


(( :/ ))

The blade in his left hand was being held so that it rested atop the wooden sword when it went into grip in the same hand. With the sword against the bottom of the palm, the blade would be resting atop it, so it was a semi hold of the blade to be more exact. The successful hold would have it to where his left shoulder would be back and his right tilting toward Tiem's body, since he would be present behind but to the left of Tiem, too, using the advantage of gravity from the left side, and leverage of pulling by stretching his left leg and bending his right. Lowering his height helped in pulling against the neck of Tiem, and beginning to lean his head back as it pressed upward in that notch between the neck and the jaw.

To grab his left wrist, Tiem would have to lean his back more. Or he could try to reach for it by swinging it instead to his side instead of over the shoulder since the wrist wasn't that close. With a three foot sword, Yariel did not have to hold his hands so close to the neck, though the length would have to be dealt with by pulling it like Yariel does. But the more Tiem reaches for the wrist, if he was still going to do it, the more pressure that would be placed into his neck. Reason for this because with Yariel's pulling motion, Tiem was actually being forced in this direction, so if he gave in, he would either be kept with a leaned back spine, yet if he wasn't as flexible as he was, then he would just fall onto his behind right in front of the elf, yet be held up at the same height in a very dangerous hangman type of position. To grab for his right shoulder, Tiem would have to do the same thing: lean his back.

So, did he want to still try to grab for Yariel with his hands finding nothing to touch?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:46 pm


Iron Neck Technique! scream


Holding it like that, you're not doing a chokehold at all. You're like... asking me to tackle you. Which is what you'd bullshitted your way out of happening just last post.

Think about what you wrote, then get back to me.

If you're okay with that, then I'll make a post.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:24 am


((Tackle from behind? Never heard of that. But, yeah, I stick with my post. I'm interested in seeing what you do, so go for it.))

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:39 am


To maintain a chokehold of that sort, the opponent's back must be against the choker's chest while the 'bar' is held against the neck in order to prevent escape. Any variation in which this is not the case means that any 'choke' that actually happens is entirely dependent upon the situation being more 'tug-of-war' than 'hold'.

Assuming the hold was performed properly, with a three-foot sword and hands at the very tips, Yariel's wrist would be no more than fourteen inches to the left. Barely past Tiem's own shoulder. It would be at roughly shoulder distance as well, and not any further back, or the hold would be pressing firmly on the side of the neck rather than the front, and accomplishing little.

A stick is a very linear thing. It's straight. It doesn't bend. If one side is pulled back the other side has to go forwards. If Yariel's left hand was back, his right hand was forwards, his elbow was up in order to facilitate leaning over the shoulder, and his right shoulder would be easily reachable.

Assuming the hold was performed properly, what was written in the previous post would happen.

We'll call that OPTION A.


Using the description provided, in which the hold is performed improperly, Tiem could do something as simple as turning his head to he left in order to get the 'bar' out from under his chin. At which point simply dipping his head or sliding the left leg back a step and bending it slightly would be enough so that the force applied to pull back on the 'bar' would cause it to slip straight over the side of his head. Maybe pull his ear a little, but no more than pulling off an overly tight sports helmet would.

Escaping from the grapple in this way does not require the use of either hand, and would not require him to drop the weapon he was holding.

From here a number of options open up.


He could easily slide his left foot out further, pressing against the inside of Yariel's right foot and driving it outwards a few inches. Doing so would knock the elf's balance off, possibly causing him to fall but at the least causing his stance to widen, lower, and shift past Tiem's left side. In synchronous motion he could raise up the shortstaff in hand behind Yariel's left arm, preventing him from pulling it back to counter or guard. By moving with the staff in that way until it reaches his side, under the arm, it assures both that any attempt to lower the arm or attack with it would be rendered ineffective through simple range of motion, and that it would allow Tiem the opening to step under that arm with his right leg.

With his left straight and his right unstable, Yariel would not be able to step off of his left leg with more force than he could muster from the calf muscle. This meant that the elf was relatively immobile for a fraction of a second, and had no control over his lateral movement. Simply spinning the center portion of the staff up behind Yariel's right shoulder would suffice; then Tiem would be able to swing his right arm over the elf's head and pull back with both.

His left leg would then have swung around behind him and his weight would be placed on that. His right would bend slightly at the knee and raise on the ball of his foot to add as much height as possible in order to press the top of his right thigh against Yariel's tailbone; figuratively 'laying him out' on top of the leg and removing his legs from the equation entirely. Unlike Yariel, Tiem's hands would be spaced just slightly wider than the elf's neck.

A demonstration of how a real chokehold should be maintained.

We'll call that OPTION B.


He could also simply drive the shortstaff upwards along Yariel's torso. It was easily long enough so that he could brace it underneath both of the elf's raised arms and prevent him from lowering them. Doing this he could continue to press forwards, as he had been doing, by pushing against the elf's chest while maintaining a lower stance than Yariel (an easy feat, as Yariel was the taller of the two.

Doing this would keep the elf 'on the ropes', as had been the intent throughout the entire fight to this point.

We'll call that OPTION C.


He could drop the weapon as intended and instead place his hands in two positions: The left on Yariel's right hip, the right on the elf's left scapula. Doing this he would simply need to push off of his left leg and twist his body while maintaining the hold. Yariel would be pulled forwards and twisted along with the boy in a clockwise spin. His right leg would drag across the boy's left, 'ramping' it off the ground. His left leg was already straightened and behind him, and would provide no resistance to either the lateral nor the forwards movement.

The elf would end up on his back at Tiem's feet, only this time laying perpendicular to his facing.

We'll call that OPTION D.


He could drop the weapon as intended and instead simply place his left hand on Yariel's thigh while stepping in against him with the right foot. He'd simply have to press back against the 'flat' side of Yariel's stance, where his legs were not aiding him at all. As soon as he stepped in the other hand would go to Yariel's other thigh in the same way; both would be pulled forwards and up while Tiem went belly-to-belly and pushed forwards.

Yariel would fall on his a** with Tiem's waist between his legs, and it would be time for that aforementioned ground n' pound.

We'll call that OPTION E.


He could snap up the 'rear' end of the staff and thrust it up and in while throwing his weight onto the left foot.

lolololololol nutshot.

We'll call that OPTION F.




So, what will it be?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:28 am


((As much as you like to say I was rewinding in my posts, you're the one guilty of it now. You dropped the staff and made the grabs for my wrist and shoulder in your previous post. But since that was a miss once my post came, since my post counts as an evasion of it, then you're going to have to continue on, not pretend to have eyes in the back of your head and know what's going on, so assumingly kept the staff in hand. So only Option D and E in your post is the only things you can possibly pull off.

Also, choose which one you do, not me, because you're still being ambiguous as to what you're going to do. I don't decide your character's actions, you do.))

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:33 am


Cdore
since my post counts as an evasion of it

(( Your post was a clarification of how you were positioned.

Just like you wouldn't try to punch someone if they suddenly said "Oh, by the way, my face is covered with spines dripping DEADLY POISON but I didn't say anything about it before".

If your hold was that failurous to begin with, there'd be no need to drop it.


Your post was not an evasion, it was a clarification. Which is basically the same thing as saying "It wasn't described right in the initial post, this is the way it is, rewrite your post because the one you have is based on bogus information." ))

Cdore
eyes in the back of your head and know what's going on

(( Wouldn't need eyes in the front of my head to know what was going on. It's one of those things you can feel.

What with a stick being pressed against one side of your neck, and being pulled back towards an unoccupied space... as opposed to having a stick pressed to the front of your neck with hands to either side, and being pulled back against a solid object.

Big difference there. ))

Cdore
So only Option D and E in your post is the only things you can possibly pull off.

(( So pick one, or I'm going to write options G, H, I, J, K, etc. Just to prove how many holes your attack has in it. ))
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