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If you had been silly enough to claim homosexuals abuse kids more often, that would have been misguided and bigoted against homosexuals, yes.

Now, if you wouldn't mind, explain what you mean by "playing around"?

Never said you were an idiot.

Why fool around with the opposite gender? Women can get en vitro fertilization, and if it's a man? Custody battles are a b***h on men.

If a woman is a lesbian, she doesn't _want_ to "fool around" with men, because she isn't sexually attracted to them. If she wants to have a kid, why would that change anything, with all the other options available? Homosexuals are not, by nature, any more sexually promiscious than heterosexuals.

And frankly, if two women in a relationship want to have a kid, and so they find a male friend and ask him to be the father, and don't want to pay for IVF, so they instead get tested for STDs, check when one of the women is fertile, and her and the guy sleep together to try and get pregnant, what the hell do I care? At least somebody's going to WANT that kid, unlike a lot of the ones that get born every day that don't even have one parent in the world, even the mother whose womb they grew in.

I think the police are being dumb. Couldn't they have waited to give the ultra-orthodox their parade?

Dragons: There isn't more sexual promiscuity today. People don't "fool around" more. What's changed is that we're more open about it. Age of first sexual activity has remained pretty much the same over the last few decades. What makes you think that those of us who aren't straight are more inclined to "fool around"?

I find many heteros just as promiscuous as if not more than some of the few gays I've met. Hell, at my synagogue, there is this guy, straight, he is okay looking, I personally wouldn't go for him.. His family is rich, at least he has that going for him.. And every week he has another girlfriend, and when I was talking to him, because you know, I try to be friendly to everyone.. He was talking about all these sexual experiences.. I dunno.. I kinda got grossed out because I don't like to think of anyone other than myself and maybe my partner in a sexual encounter.. I don't like being able to see what goes on between people behind closed doors and all. I believe everyone should have that respect, and privacy. He, however, with his dumb stories was violating his own privacy.. and he wouldn't stop talking about them till I was like "Okay, this is the sound of no one caring..."

Anyways, that for me kinda made me learn that the stereotype of promiscuity against gays (which i found weird because i'm gay myself, and i dont have a promicuous bone in my body..), is really off base.. Its really up to the individual.. Some are, some arent. You can't just look at someones preference and say so much stuff about them.. When really it just tells you what they're mostly attracted to.

In that regard, promiscuity was more prevelent in the past if you think about it.. During the sexual revolution you had the swingers, and even some of these parties where these men would share their wives and trade or something for a night? (some 70s thing, which I saw on VH1 remembering the 70s)

You really don't see it as badly as that anymore... Now married couples don't do that (thank god), and if they are still promiscuous swingers as a couple, they're usually that way together, with eachother consent.. Unless they're not.. and that would end in divorce.

To be honest, many people make the argument against gays that because they cant make a baby, then its wrong.. But I've met many straight couples that cant make a baby either.. Because the mother is infertile, or the male has some problems of his own, and there are other health reasons and what not.. Maybe some woman is a cancer survivor, but she lost the ability to make a baby, are we going to deny her the right to love and marry someone because she cant make a baby? I dont think so! So, if they cant make a baby, yet its okay for them (the heterosexuals with some sort of problem preventing them from having a baby).. But then why is it not okay for gays? They could all use the same methods of producing off spring.

I personally, am not a fan of children.. Though that may change as I grow up myself (mind you, i just turned 18.), if I was in a position where my partner and I wanted to be a parental figure, I think it is very noble to adopt. Partially because I've been blessed enough to be born into a family.. And the kids up for adoption, well I just feel sad for them.. Someone needs to take care of them, and give them a home and whatnot.

I agree with both of those interprestations of yours...

I'm sorry I went off topic/took it off topic.. I still find this an interesting thread. :p

I'm not offended really.. But then again.. I think I have a thicker skin than Macaroni Jesus has..

This guild has a very diverse range of jews, and people in general. Its only natural that we would have our disagreements.. The fact that we have the opportunity to debate them, or express them (as long as its kept civil) to me is beautiful. biggrin

Thanks! As far as the hatred and stuff for jews and gays, and any other types that exist.. I kinda just accepted it as life. Like you can't please everyone. But I'm fine with that, I shouldn't have to anyone. If people are going to dislike me because of something, then thats their lose. So I agree with what you had said right there. biggrin