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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:46 am
Youkochylde I've already talked to you about a lot of this over AIM. My $0.02 is this: 1. Yes, you deserve a Fa'e. 2. If you didn't like the Djinn arc, no one FORCED you to do it. You know me, Arri, I'll be blunt whether you want to hear it or not. That doesn't mean I'm not still your friend. Hell, if I weren't your friend, I wouldn't bother at all. I see you a lot of times complaining that Sire's story isn't yours, that you want to make him your own, etc... but up until recently (As in, within the past two days), you have done not a lot in MAKING him your own. When it comes down to what he's doing, his storyline, etc, you're more worried about what others think than what YOU want him to do. If someone else doesn't like it, you tend to scrap an idea. If you don't want Sire's ideas to be someone else's, then stop making everyone else decide FOR you, when you say you can't come up with anything. All we're doing is trying to help, for crying out loud, but if we're going to get blamed for Sire's ideas not being your own, we're just going to stop helping. He is YOUR character, Arri. Yours. Not Jin's, not Mouse's, not anyone else's. If you didn't like the Djinn idea, you shouldn't have done it. It's part of his history now, it can't be undone. If you don't like Sire being ideas from everyone else, then come up with your own instead of coming into the middle of chat and complaining that you can't. Because then, as a whole, we want to HELP you come up with something. You can't blame Mouse or anyone else for trying to help. I'm sorry if this sounds mean, or what have you. I don't intend it that way at all. You're my friend, and you will continue to be my friend. However, as a friend, I have the right to tell you when you're making a mistake. I know, I know. We HAVE talked about this. Over and over. And guess what. It's finally gotten through my thick, closed-door skull. I apologize for treating you - and everyone that's tried to help me - like dirt. And yes, that's exactly what I was doing, because I was pitching a royal fit. And that's damned childish. So... yeah... I'm sorry. And no, it's not mean, it's true.
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:52 am
JadeEye Arri, don't be stupid. You deserve Sire just as much as any of us Guardians deserve our fa'e and you know this. You're always so down on yourself. :\ If you don't like the djinn thing, change it over a course of time with some well thought out RP that -you- like. You can't just go and delete that whole part though because yes, it involves other people now and it's part of their fa'e's history. Really focus on a plot line and go with it. Thing is, I liked the djinn storyline, as I posted previously. Jealousy drove me to try and put my own self-made character into it - and that was wrong. As wrong as putting the left shoe on the right foot, so to speak. I'm down on myself, because I feel I deserve it - especially after reading all this...
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:58 am
Anya! XD Hiya! I agree with Brina, Arrikanez. It would be nice if you would complete the storylines that you start. Also, I highly suggest using magic and fantastic element ONLY if they are making a point of some kind. NOT if they are there just for random coolness value. Finally, drama and angst in RP are good. Too much drama and angst, however, starts getting ridiculous. It's something like crying WOLF too many times - people stop believing you. Now, Sire was originally DRAWN to be a djinn based fa'e. His appearance should be proof for that. If you do not like it then you should sit down and think VERY HARD about what other story he could be, that still relates to his teen quest plot. There is a lot of legends and mythology related to djins and fire creatures on the web (GOOGLE!). Why not use them, as opposed to make up stuff that has nothing to do with fire, djinns, like vampires? My main suggestion would be to go and read up on the creature you decided to base Sire off now. This will give you a lot of material to write about. It will also give the story of Sire some coherance. And please, keep to the mythology. It will give your stories a stable base to build upon. Also, you can't delete the teen quest. Sire completed it, he grew up. It's a done deal. Okey, and to everybody else who's listening: PLEASE stay away from vampires. A fa'e is alive. It can't be a vampire. Neither can it be an incarnated vampire, b/c they are dammned. That's kinda the point of vampires. And if a Fa'e is EVER embraced, it becomes a vampire and stops beign a Fa'e. Not to mention that the vampire that embraces it willbe royally ******** up for a bit. EDIT: Oh, forgot. Another suggestion would be to limit the amount of NPC that you introduce in your story lines. Fa'e should interact primarily with other Fa'e, not with an entire army of character nobody but you knows anything about. EDIT2: Maaaaan, it looks like we shoudl really, like, write a FAQ of Roleplaying suggestions for guardians that get stuck. Anya! gonk I didn't want you to have anything to do with my selfish little rant! I love you dearly, and your Fa'e are - in my opinion - the best journal companions out there. I was DAMNED lucky that you even chose me, and now look what I'm doing - shoving it back in your face, much as I did to Mouse. Gods I'm sorry. If you can ever forgive me, I'll be greatful for that, too. Storylines, NPCs, all of this has been a product of a jealous and overactive imagination... please try and take all my stupidity worth a grain of salt. I'm working hard on trying to change the current storyline to something acceptable. I've put Sire in the hospital to explain for the long absence - and yes, that will be completely written out for everyone to see. It's not a plea for attention this time - which I admit I've done MANY times in the past. It's a way for me to step back and look at what I HAVE done, what I WANT to do, and where I want the storyline to go. I love you Anya, and I love all of you and your Fa'e. Please don't take this inane rambling seriously... These comments are thought out BEFORE they're posted... I hope it gives everyone something of a sense of peace to known that I've read and understood all of these.
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:00 pm
Rogue Dragon Um, reguardless of all the other stuff I think it would be a good idea to point this out. Fa'e seem to be based on myths in the first place. Someone else came up with it. What makes it your own is how you alter this base idea and build a character. Two building can have the same foundation and be totally different. The style of the archetect comes through in the design of the building. If you don't want to use the same foundation as the other builders, than perhaps taking another idea used often. Look at the idea and plans of other buildings till you see one you can work with or till inspiration hits. At that point you take want you have and make it work for you. The others look at it and react, but you have to live with it. Rogue - I don't know you at all, but what you say is right. Everything is based on Myths in the Fa'e [except Sire]. I learned when I recieved him that he had no myth attached to him - so I panicked, and asked everyone I could think of to give me ideas. Mouse's was the one I liked the best, so was the one I chose. Big mistake on my part trying to change that. Once again Mouse, I apologize. And Rogue - thanks.
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:30 pm
Puchiko Oookay, Arri. You want blunt? Here goes. For one: you deserve a Fa'e just as much as the rest of us. That's not to say you're especially deserving or undeserving. Really, while Fa'e are wonderful pets, they're not some sort of trophy you had to earn. They're a pet offered on Gaia, just like all the rest. So, yes. No one "deserves" a Fa'e, except perhaps with the exception of Prox, who won a Fa'e through a contest that was NOT easy to win. It's pretty much a matter of have, and have-nots. I don't doubt the fact that there are tons of people who could do Dil just as well as I can, if not better. But does that matter? Nope, 'cause he's mine. Should you change Sire's story? No. Especially not for something as boring and cliché as vampires. Djinns are really, really interesting, if you ask me. They fit his appearance well, and it's not a mythos one sees all too often. Compare the number of Greek Fa'e (I love 'em all, BTW, XD) to the number of Arabic Fa'e. Sire's pretty much the only one, huh? Makes him a lot more interesting. The closest anyone gets is Aadil, who just has an Arabic name. Your RP skills need work, though. You're a good writer, and sometimes, a lot of fun to write with. I had a blast doing that uncle saving RP, and you did a good job organizing and running it. However, every time - EVERY TIME - I see Sire RPed, he's doing one of the following: 1) Angsting. 2) Commiting suicide. 3) Fainting because he's seriously wounded. 4) Kissing some random guy. It gets old, it gets repetitive, and it gets ridiculous. I see your actions in RP as self-glorifying, as if you're trying to steal all the attention for Sire to fulfill something you yourself crave. Drama is good! It's a lot of fun to write. But when all a character does is drama, drama, drama, it creates this wall between them and other RPers. There are times I will not bring Aadil into the thread simply because Sire is there. There are other times that I will bring him into the thread BECAUSE Sire is there, just to have Dil point out how silly a situation is. You also need to work on making Sire a more believable character. Look at Dil's comments on Sire in his opinion post. They're obviously exaggerated to match with the character, but there are also some very valid points in there. You tend to jump the gun much too quickly with the character - he falls in and out of relationships like nobody's business. And sometimes this is all right, depending on the character. However, Sire - as far as I can tell - has not been developed in a manner to make this seem like part of his character. For instance, Sire fell in love witih Dil, after they had spoken twice, give or take. Seriously. How does that make sense? Not only is Aadil probably the biggest a*****e in the Fa'e, but his reaction towards Sire should've CLEARLY been a turn off. The reason Nyoka likes him is because he is not an a** around her - I mean, yes, in a way he is, but he's not a mean a**. Dil was giving Sire deathlooks, and he was all, "OMG DIL!" That makes absolutely no sense. No person in their right mind would fall in love with an a*****e after having only met them twice. And you trying to be a glory hog during MY teen quest was not cool. Not. Cool. Obviously, I had a sequence of events I was following. Dil was SUPPOSED to be executed. You offering up Sire's life, without proper development I might add, was ridiculous. Even Nyoka - who by that time was in love with Aadil, and he with her, for the most part - didn't do that. That's jumping the gun. That's really, really, REALLY jumping the gun. And the fact that you were trying to take the attention away from Dil to yourself during his own quest was just insane. You need to be sensitive to the fact that somtimes other characters deserve attention too, ESPECIALLY if it's their quest, man. That's a characters time to shine; don't butt in. Play your part, and then back off. And the way you justified it was even worse. "Every RP has curve balls" or something along those lines. Yes, if you're doing random HQ RP, that's FINE. But the quest was obviously being planned out by me, and you had no right to go and try to disrupt events. And what was amazing was the fact that, not even two days after Sire had offered to DIE for Aadil, he seemed to have moved on to Anen. What the hell? That's crazy. I mean, talk about rebounding. Jumping the gun again. Stop making Sire so damn perfect. Is there anything Sire can't do? Guitar, sketching, fighting - you name it, he's got it down pat. Dil can't do jack s**t. He's good with his knife, but he's got this kick a** spear and he ends up completely confused by it. Dil suffers from the physical flaw of not being very strong, but he makes up for it in speed and raw energy. I've yet to see any flaw in Sire. A perfect example of this is Sire "letting" Dil win that fight they had. Come on. That's ridiculous. Yes, we were talking on AIM at the moment, but we both agreed that Sire lost. So why make Sire look like a martyr and go "Well, I let you lost so you could look good in front of Nyoka." That just TOTALLY sucks out the fun of it and makes my character look like a complete wuss. Sire losing was not a bad thing, 'cause he put up one hell of a fight. Dil won 'cause he played dirty, really. And it wouldn't be out of character for Dil to say, "Yeah, wel, I let you win!" out of spite when it clearly was not the case, had he lost, but Sire doing it was just... random. And, again, self-glorifying. You need to be more aware of the characters Sire is RPing with and focus less on your own once in a while. For a loooonnng period of time, I was very angry, because Sire ended up practically cloning Dil's personality, and a lot of people agree with me on this account. However, I've noticed recently that he's no longer a Dil-clone, so kudos on that. Please keep it up, one Dil is more than enough. Arri, you've got a whole shitload of potential. However, the problems you do have can be devestating to a RP. I know you can fix 'em up, though. Trust me, I wouldn't offer critique if I didn't think you weren't capable of improving. At the moment, I am more than slightly drugged up on cold meds. If I think of anything else, I'll add it. I'm sorry this seems harsh, but you asked for it. Puchi? I need to split yours up to respond to it. Quote: Oookay, Arri. You want blunt? Here goes. For one: you deserve a Fa'e just as much as the rest of us. That's not to say you're especially deserving or undeserving. Really, while Fa'e are wonderful pets, they're not some sort of trophy you had to earn. They're a pet offered on Gaia, just like all the rest. So, yes. No one "deserves" a Fa'e, except perhaps with the exception of Prox, who won a Fa'e through a contest that was NOT easy to win. It's pretty much a matter of have, and have-nots. I don't doubt the fact that there are tons of people who could do Dil just as well as I can, if not better. But does that matter? Nope, 'cause he's mine. I personally couldn't see Dil with anyone BUT you. Just like I couldn't see any of the Fa'e without their current guardians. Thank you for the support-ish...Quote: Should you change Sire's story? No. Especially not for something as boring and cliché as vampires. Djinns are really, really interesting, if you ask me. They fit his appearance well, and it's not a mythos one sees all too often. Compare the number of Greek Fa'e (I love 'em all, BTW, XD) to the number of Arabic Fa'e. Sire's pretty much the only one, huh? Makes him a lot more interesting. The closest anyone gets is Aadil, who just has an Arabic name. As I stated before, I chose to try and change the storyline because I was jealous. Of YOU and Mouse, actually. I wanted to have a Fa'e interesting enough for people to interact with.Quote: Your RP skills need work, though. You're a good writer, and sometimes, a lot of fun to write with. I had a blast doing that uncle saving RP, and you did a good job organizing and running it. However, every time - EVERY TIME - I see Sire RPed, he's doing one of the following: 1) Angsting. 2) Commiting suicide. 3) Fainting because he's seriously wounded. 4) Kissing some random guy. It gets old, it gets repetitive, and it gets ridiculous. I see your actions in RP as self-glorifying, as if you're trying to steal all the attention for Sire to fulfill something you yourself crave. Drama is good! It's a lot of fun to write. But when all a character does is drama, drama, drama, it creates this wall between them and other RPers. There are times I will not bring Aadil into the thread simply because Sire is there. There are other times that I will bring him into the thread BECAUSE Sire is there, just to have Dil point out how silly a situation is. I've noticed. And to me - until now, that is - it's just seemed like you wanted to hurt me. But that's a little selfish there as well, isn't it? The reason he was doing those things is because... yeah... there ARE some things I need to work on - and yes, I was trying to get the attention I never get in real life. The only good attention I get with my family is when they actually notice I'm here, or I get good grades or something. It wasn't much different when I was younger, either. My brother's always been the center of the spotlight, and since I can't change that THERE... I wanted to change it HERE. I'm sorry.Quote: You also need to work on making Sire a more believable character. Look at Dil's comments on Sire in his opinion post. They're obviously exaggerated to match with the character, but there are also some very valid points in there. You tend to jump the gun much too quickly with the character - he falls in and out of relationships like nobody's business. And sometimes this is all right, depending on the character. However, Sire - as far as I can tell - has not been developed in a manner to make this seem like part of his character. For instance, Sire fell in love witih Dil, after they had spoken twice, give or take. Seriously. How does that make sense? Not only is Aadil probably the biggest a*****e in the Fa'e, but his reaction towards Sire should've CLEARLY been a turn off. The reason Nyoka likes him is because he is not an a** around her - I mean, yes, in a way he is, but he's not a mean a**. Dil was giving Sire deathlooks, and he was all, "OMG DIL!" That makes absolutely no sense. No person in their right mind would fall in love with an a*****e after having only met them twice. Read my lips, Puchi. J-E-A-L-O-U-S. I couldn't BE you, and Sire couldn't BE Dil - so I wanted to have the next best thing. I honestly thought that if I tried to be nice to the both of you, that maybe then... But no. And I didn't realize it for a long time. Yes, I do need to work on it. Yes, I do need to anchor my own feelings and keep them out of Sire. I apologize again.Quote: And you trying to be a glory hog during MY teen quest was not cool. Not. Cool. Obviously, I had a sequence of events I was following. Dil was SUPPOSED to be executed. You offering up Sire's life, without proper development I might add, was ridiculous. Even Nyoka - who by that time was in love with Aadil, and he with her, for the most part - didn't do that. That's jumping the gun. That's really, really, REALLY jumping the gun. And the fact that you were trying to take the attention away from Dil to yourself during his own quest was just insane. You need to be sensitive to the fact that somtimes other characters deserve attention too, ESPECIALLY if it's their quest, man. That's a characters time to shine; don't butt in. Play your part, and then back off. And the way you justified it was even worse. "Every RP has curve balls" or something along those lines. Yes, if you're doing random HQ RP, that's FINE. But the quest was obviously being planned out by me, and you had no right to go and try to disrupt events. And what was amazing was the fact that, not even two days after Sire had offered to DIE for Aadil, he seemed to have moved on to Anen. What the hell? That's crazy. I mean, talk about rebounding. Jumping the gun again. At that point, Puchi, I was so upset with Sire's development, that I wanted to kill him. And there's another thing that goes along with that. At that point in my life I was depressed. Seriously, and dangerously, depressed. I said nothing about it, because I didn't want to make anyone else upset. I thought I was the lowest scum of the earth - and so I tried to kill myself in a way that wouldn't be permanent. I had a dream, too. Literally. Sire offered up his life to Dil, and Dil accepted, and they became best friends. Dreams aren't always the best way to handle that sort of thing. And he moved to Anen because -I- was in desperate need of someone to love. Sorry it cut into your plans. Very sorry.Quote: Stop making Sire so damn perfect. Is there anything Sire can't do? Guitar, sketching, fighting - you name it, he's got it down pat. Dil can't do jack s**t. He's good with his knife, but he's got this kick a** spear and he ends up completely confused by it. Dil suffers from the physical flaw of not being very strong, but he makes up for it in speed and raw energy. I've yet to see any flaw in Sire. A perfect example of this is Sire "letting" Dil win that fight they had. Come on. That's ridiculous. Yes, we were talking on AIM at the moment, but we both agreed that Sire lost. So why make Sire look like a martyr and go "Well, I let you lost so you could look good in front of Nyoka." That just TOTALLY sucks out the fun of it and makes my character look like a complete wuss. Sire losing was not a bad thing, 'cause he put up one hell of a fight. Dil won 'cause he played dirty, really. And it wouldn't be out of character for Dil to say, "Yeah, wel, I let you win!" out of spite when it clearly was not the case, had he lost, but Sire doing it was just... random. And, again, self-glorifying. You need to be more aware of the characters Sire is RPing with and focus less on your own once in a while. Yeah. I know. It was another time in my life where I felt I needed to do something - so I did it with Sire. Once again, I apologize. And I hope you don't hate me for it - as I AM working on it.Quote: For a loooonnng period of time, I was very angry, because Sire ended up practically cloning Dil's personality, and a lot of people agree with me on this account. However, I've noticed recently that he's no longer a Dil-clone, so kudos on that. Please keep it up, one Dil is more than enough. Once again, Puchi. Jealous. That's all I have to say to this one. I'm sorry.Quote: Arri, you've got a whole shitload of potential. However, the problems you do have can be devestating to a RP. I know you can fix 'em up, though. Trust me, I wouldn't offer critique if I didn't think you weren't capable of improving. Thanks for the pusedo-compliment. I don't expect anything really out of you, because you're the one I envy so much - and have made the most miserable. And yes - I am working on it.
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:32 pm
Dark Fire Angel Blah I've missed a lot during my week downtime, have I not? O_o anyhow, Arri, I don't know you that much, but I do agree with Brina; You deserve a Fa'e, pfft, of course XP you're active enough, and love Sire, however, and allthough he IS yours...... you can't just delete a whole quest (well, you can XD but if you REALLY do want to do that, I'd pause and think about it hard and clear, and make sure what you chose, you'll stick to to), because it's part of the Fae's life; it's like... making him go back a stage; Besides, anyone he'd have interacted with about it, would be forced to forget that part too, which is tough. Anyhow, if Mouse only suggested it doen't make it her idea XD you've... developed it; it's yours to the very end! Relax and don't be so harsh with yourself, I'm sure all of us have accepted a bit of ideas from others at some point ^^ If you're not truly happy with the concept.... why don't you give some sort of twist somewhere? You can ALWAYS twist a concept... in many ways without is seeming strange ^^ I know. And I appreciate the confidence in me. I just don't hold much respect for myself at the moment. I won't delete Sire's djinn attribute. I promise.
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 10:26 pm
Well that's good to hear Arri.
And ... this may be silly on my part, but I hope you didn't take offense to the other night. You have to understand that Naia was already upset (I'd set it up that way) and then Sire snuck up on her and shook her. She didn't see or hear him like I said... and it was in character for her to react so badly.
I just wanted to clarify that it wasn't out of malice.
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