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 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:43 pm
Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ I'm tempted to say it's a sin, simply because you're throwing away one of the best gifts God has even given us- life. He gives it to us and he doesn't want us to waste it. Au contraire: Luke 14:26 Anyone who comes to me must hate his father and mother. He must hate his wife and children. He must hate his brothers and sisters. And he must hate even his own life. Unless he does, he can't be my disciple. That actually is supposed to be in comparison to the devotion to Jesus Christ and God. We are supposed to be willing to die for him.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:58 pm
Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ I'm tempted to say it's a sin, simply because you're throwing away one of the best gifts God has even given us- life. He gives it to us and he doesn't want us to waste it. Au contraire: Luke 14:26 Anyone who comes to me must hate his father and mother. He must hate his wife and children. He must hate his brothers and sisters. And he must hate even his own life. Unless he does, he can't be my disciple. That actually is supposed to be in comparison to the devotion to Jesus Christ and God. We are supposed to be willing to die for him. I disagree. What now? The Bible is up for interpretation. I use what is there, you use what you wish was there. In other words: Prove it.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:29 pm
Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ I'm tempted to say it's a sin, simply because you're throwing away one of the best gifts God has even given us- life. He gives it to us and he doesn't want us to waste it. Au contraire: Luke 14:26 Anyone who comes to me must hate his father and mother. He must hate his wife and children. He must hate his brothers and sisters. And he must hate even his own life. Unless he does, he can't be my disciple. Good in theory, but if you kill yourself, you can't be his disciple either. The use of the the word "hate" isn't really seen as the traditional meaning either. It's used to contrast God's love for us, because his love is so big it makes our deepest love seem like hate in comparison. Or that's how I've always interpreted that verse.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:44 pm
thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ I'm tempted to say it's a sin, simply because you're throwing away one of the best gifts God has even given us- life. He gives it to us and he doesn't want us to waste it. Au contraire: Luke 14:26 Anyone who comes to me must hate his father and mother. He must hate his wife and children. He must hate his brothers and sisters. And he must hate even his own life. Unless he does, he can't be my disciple. Good in theory, but if you kill yourself, you can't be his disciple either. The use of the the word "hate" isn't really seen as the traditional meaning either. It's used to contrast God's love for us, because his love is so big it makes our deepest love seem like hate in comparison. Or that's how I've always interpreted that verse. I see no reason to interpret the passage that way except to mold God into a more pleasing image. I think we're looking at another Biblical contradiction. But that's just one man's opinion.
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:43 am
Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ I'm tempted to say it's a sin, simply because you're throwing away one of the best gifts God has even given us- life. He gives it to us and he doesn't want us to waste it. Au contraire: Luke 14:26 Anyone who comes to me must hate his father and mother. He must hate his wife and children. He must hate his brothers and sisters. And he must hate even his own life. Unless he does, he can't be my disciple. Good in theory, but if you kill yourself, you can't be his disciple either. The use of the the word "hate" isn't really seen as the traditional meaning either. It's used to contrast God's love for us, because his love is so big it makes our deepest love seem like hate in comparison. Or that's how I've always interpreted that verse. I see no reason to interpret the passage that way except to mold God into a more pleasing image. I think we're looking at another Biblical contradiction. But that's just one man's opinion. I wish I could pull up some surrounding text or original Greek, but I am way too tired to do that right now. xD As far as I'm concerned, there are far more verses that say you should love one another, love your enemies, etc. One of my favorite verses is from John and says, "That this is what you have been taught from the beginning, you should love one another." I think that verse is just an extream way of saying that God should be first in our lives. If we love nothing else, it should be him. We're getting off topic now though. The point still stands- if you kill yourself you can't be a disciple of God.
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:27 pm
thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ I'm tempted to say it's a sin, simply because you're throwing away one of the best gifts God has even given us- life. He gives it to us and he doesn't want us to waste it. Au contraire: Luke 14:26 Anyone who comes to me must hate his father and mother. He must hate his wife and children. He must hate his brothers and sisters. And he must hate even his own life. Unless he does, he can't be my disciple. Good in theory, but if you kill yourself, you can't be his disciple either. The use of the the word "hate" isn't really seen as the traditional meaning either. It's used to contrast God's love for us, because his love is so big it makes our deepest love seem like hate in comparison. Or that's how I've always interpreted that verse. I see no reason to interpret the passage that way except to mold God into a more pleasing image. I think we're looking at another Biblical contradiction. But that's just one man's opinion. I wish I could pull up some surrounding text or original Greek, but I am way too tired to do that right now. xD As far as I'm concerned, there are far more verses that say you should love one another, love your enemies, etc. One of my favorite verses is from John and says, "That this is what you have been taught from the beginning, you should love one another." I think that verse is just an extream way of saying that God should be first in our lives. If we love nothing else, it should be him. We're getting off topic now though. The point still stands- if you kill yourself you can't be a disciple of God. Yet you must also hate your life to be His disciple.
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:26 pm
Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ Good in theory, but if you kill yourself, you can't be his disciple either. The use of the the word "hate" isn't really seen as the traditional meaning either. It's used to contrast God's love for us, because his love is so big it makes our deepest love seem like hate in comparison. Or that's how I've always interpreted that verse. I see no reason to interpret the passage that way except to mold God into a more pleasing image. I think we're looking at another Biblical contradiction. But that's just one man's opinion. I wish I could pull up some surrounding text or original Greek, but I am way too tired to do that right now. xD As far as I'm concerned, there are far more verses that say you should love one another, love your enemies, etc. One of my favorite verses is from John and says, "That this is what you have been taught from the beginning, you should love one another." I think that verse is just an extream way of saying that God should be first in our lives. If we love nothing else, it should be him. We're getting off topic now though. The point still stands- if you kill yourself you can't be a disciple of God. Yet you must also hate your life to be His disciple. As you stated already. God gave us this life to glorify Him and to show others how awesome He is. The life he gave us is a blessing, and we should take it as such. By definition, sin is anything that seperates you from God, correct? And God should be your first priority, correct? So anything that comes before God in your life, including you're parents, sibling, or even you life would be sinful. Or rather, the act of putting that before God. Again, I wish I could look at some of the original Greek for the verse, as translation can be misleading. But that, in essance, is what that verse is trying to say, I believe. As you've said, it's a matter of interpretation.
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:51 pm
thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ Good in theory, but if you kill yourself, you can't be his disciple either. The use of the the word "hate" isn't really seen as the traditional meaning either. It's used to contrast God's love for us, because his love is so big it makes our deepest love seem like hate in comparison. Or that's how I've always interpreted that verse. I see no reason to interpret the passage that way except to mold God into a more pleasing image. I think we're looking at another Biblical contradiction. But that's just one man's opinion. I wish I could pull up some surrounding text or original Greek, but I am way too tired to do that right now. xD As far as I'm concerned, there are far more verses that say you should love one another, love your enemies, etc. One of my favorite verses is from John and says, "That this is what you have been taught from the beginning, you should love one another." I think that verse is just an extream way of saying that God should be first in our lives. If we love nothing else, it should be him. We're getting off topic now though. The point still stands- if you kill yourself you can't be a disciple of God. Yet you must also hate your life to be His disciple. As you stated already. God gave us this life to glorify Him and to show others how awesome He is. The life he gave us is a blessing, and we should take it as such. By definition, sin is anything that seperates you from God, correct? And God should be your first priority, correct? So anything that comes before God in your life, including you're parents, sibling, or even you life would be sinful. Or rather, the act of putting that before God. I'm afraid I don't understand. Isn't God selfless? confused Then why does He want us to put Him before everything else in our lives?
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:26 am
The idea is that if God is the center of our lives and we live as he wants us, we will be fulfilled and joyful! God wants us to praise him and he wants us to be thankful for all the amazing gifts that he gives us. In essance, it's kind of a win-win situation.
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:56 pm
thelovelyLIZ The idea is that if God is the center of our lives and we live as he wants us, we will be fulfilled and joyful! God wants us to praise him and he wants us to be thankful for all the amazing gifts that he gives us. In essance, it's kind of a win-win situation. But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him?
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:43 pm
Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ The idea is that if God is the center of our lives and we live as he wants us, we will be fulfilled and joyful! God wants us to praise him and he wants us to be thankful for all the amazing gifts that he gives us. In essance, it's kind of a win-win situation. But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him?
We are God's children, and just like any parent He wants us to thank him and love him just like we would our mom or dad. I mean, we didn't ask our parents to have us either, and yet they did and as such we're tied to them whether we like it or not.
I'm not sure I've ever actually seen God as a selfless being. I mean, yeah, he works super hard for us and stuff. But he also does have the universe at his disposal. It's probably a lot easier to be selfless when you're omnipotent. Regardless, he has done a lot for us and we should recognize and thank him for that- it's just good manners.
Also, it says several times in the Bible that God is a jealous God. Which is always a strange way to see things, in my opinion. If you look in the context of those verses, it's usually refering to all the times in the Bible God's people were off worshippping idols. Those idols didn't really do much for his people, so he's probably not gonna be too happy when they're taking credit for all his hard work! Worshipping idols in today's society could just translate to a love for money, or even another person in some cases.
I'm not sure if I'm making my point, but I hope you're understanding something I say xD I'll admit upfront- I don't have all the answers. I'm still trying to figure things off and on a lot of these subjects, I'm not sure 18 years of life is enough to make an accurate, definitive statement on.
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:48 pm
As for the hate thing, the original manuscripts used a verb whose closest translation in English was "hate" but actually means closer to "love less than." Same for hating your family members. It just means "love them less than" you love God.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:50 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly As for the hate thing, the original manuscripts used a verb whose closest translation in English was "hate" but actually means closer to "love less than." Same for hating your family members. It just means "love them less than" you love God.
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:54 pm
Okay...First of all Im not sure suicide is a sin so this is purely my opinion and guesswork assuming that suicide is a sin.
Now its still suicide - It doesnt matter what this idiot did to twist it around its still suicide and since Im under the assumption that suicide is a sin then yes he just pulled a sin.
N0w 2nd of all if he did accept Jesus as his personal saviour than I think he would go to heaven because if you guys keep in mind that Jesus conquered Satan, Death, and Sin once and for all!!! It doesnt matter how big your sin is - Jesus can easily overcome it because he already did when he died on the cross. All we have to do is accept it and take it as a personal gift from him!
I think the reasons this hypothetical person commited suicide were stupid and no doubt brought on by grief or something else. Temporary insanity due to some sort of traumatic event. Im sure that Christ has it in him to forgive him of this.
And last I really dont know. Its not up to me who goes to heaven or hell but its up to God. So can I really be sure? No. Does this person deserve to go to heaven? No. Do any of us deserve to go to heaven? No. I know I will, I know some of my friends will - God promised us and he wont break his promise! But in reality, unless youve accepted Christ's free gift of salvation than you cant be sure.
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:10 pm
Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ The idea is that if God is the center of our lives and we live as he wants us, we will be fulfilled and joyful! God wants us to praise him and he wants us to be thankful for all the amazing gifts that he gives us. In essance, it's kind of a win-win situation. But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him? Would you rather not exist?
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