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Scribblemouse

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:31 am


The problem with 'granting' personhood to a foetus would mean that abortion would be legalised murder. Wouldn't that be a problem?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:36 am


So... changing the wording makes it murder? But it is the same action happening...

How is it any different or better if it is or is not considered murder by lingual standards?

That is why I hate all that lingual legal bullshit. Change the wording on somehting and you go from sunshine and rainbows to murder.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:58 am


Scribblemouse
The problem with 'granting' personhood to a foetus would mean that abortion would be legalised murder. Wouldn't that be a problem?
I thought that the argument was women have the right to their own bodily domain, NOT a fetus isn't a person so it's okay to kill it?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:47 pm


Interesting ideas. I don't think that they would ever go over very well, though.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:56 pm


lymelady
Scribblemouse
The problem with 'granting' personhood to a foetus would mean that abortion would be legalised murder. Wouldn't that be a problem?
I thought that the argument was women have the right to their own bodily domain, NOT a fetus isn't a person so it's okay to kill it?
Yeah, that was my thought as well. I'm sure there are Pro-Choicers who believe otherwise, but for me the only thing that makes abortion legal (and makes illegalizing abortion without some immedient alternative - fetal transplant and/or artificial wombs - unethical) is that the woman has control of her own body.

I'd like to mention that there are times when one can legally kill a person, in self defence, in times of war, when it is ruled to be unavoidable (like when someone runs out right in front of your car and you have no time to stop). And there are laws against killing non-legal-persons, animal abuse laws, hunting regulations, and such.

Heck, there are even times when unlawfully killing a legal person isn't murder, in the case of voluntary or involuntary manslaughter (of different degrees), I think. Or war crimes are different from murder, I'm pretty sure.

Not to mention "legal murder" is sort of an oxymoron, since murder (in the legal sense of the word) is defined to be illegal.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:50 am


WatersMoon110
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Would um, giving it a name be too much? mrgreen
That's something that's up to the man and woman involved, not really up to the State.


If somebody, (including adults) dies without anyone knowing their name, they're referred to as John or Jane Doe, but not given a name.

So, if you want to name a fetus you miscarried, that's okay, but I'm not sure if it would fly legally, you could just put it on a gravestone. If you don't name it, though, the state has no obligation to do so.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:27 pm


La Veuve Zin
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Would um, giving it a name be too much? mrgreen
That's something that's up to the man and woman involved, not really up to the State.


If somebody, (including adults) dies without anyone knowing their name, they're referred to as John or Jane Doe, but not given a name.

So, if you want to name a fetus you miscarried, that's okay, but I'm not sure if it would fly legally, you could just put it on a gravestone. If you don't name it, though, the state has no obligation to do so.

That makes sense.

I guess the State could call them Jane or John Doe...
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