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How can conservatives justify the government taking away a citizen’s rights?

Freedom from government intervention does not mean that the government should be willing to look the other way while one human being slaughters another. In fact, a basic tenet of conservatism is that if there is only one reason for government to exist, it is to protect the lives of those being governed.

How can you call yourselves pro-life when your movement is so violent?

The abortion lobby’s depiction of besieged clinic workers having to dodge a hail of automatic weapon fire just to get from their car to the clinic door is pure fiction.

In more than 30 years, three abortionists and four other abortion clinic employees have been killed. When the Department of Justice or the FBI publish studies on workplace violence, the rate of violence at abortion clinics is so statistically insignificant that it doesn’t even make it into the final reports. In fact, even if the statistics are limited to only include health care professionals, abortionists are still not on the radar screen.

Even if you just focus on the time period during which the most pro-life violence occurred, it is clear how overblown this issue has been. Of the seven total murders that have occurred at America’s abortion mills, five occurred in 1993 and 1994 alone. According to government statistics from the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, during those two years there were 2,154 other people killed in work-related homicides in the United States including seven school teachers, four members of the clergy, 10 lawyers, nine newspaper vendors, seven writers, six realtors, 22 waiters or waitresses, four groundskeepers, five architects, 40 garage or service station attendants, 23 auto mechanics, 21 janitors, 10 hairdressers, four carpenters, and six farmers.

In other words, during the worst period of pro-life violence in American history, more farmers and twice as many hairdressers were murdered on the job than abortion clinic workers and abortionists combined.

And remember, the five abortion clinic killings during 1993 and 1994 account for all but two of the killings that have happened in the entire history of the pro-life movement. During the other 30-plus years, only two abortion workers were murdered.

Compared to the thousands of taxi drivers, convenience store employees, police officers, firefighters, and other workers who were killed during that time, it is obvious that all of this arm-flapping and hand-wringing about pro-life violence against abortionists is complete nonsense.

Of course, when some convenience store employee is gunned down, the story gets buried in the Metro section of the paper. But when an abortionist gets shot, it is the lead story on every national and local newscast in America. Then, at least one of the national “news magazine” shows will rush out a Special Report cataloguing pro-life violence. That will be soon followed by several Justice Department news conferences, a roundup of pro-lifers, Congressional hearings, some new legislation, and hundreds of federal marshals stationed at the nation’s death camps.

Then, the abortion industry’s legion of media stooges will make sure the issue stays in front of the public for years. Every article about abortion will mention this shooting and every report on terrorism anywhere in the world will include references to “domestic terrorists like those who target legal abortion clinics.” That is a tactic which has been used extensively since the 9/11 attacks. When the media is forced to report that an act of terrorism is linked to Muslims, they seldom pass up the opportunity to draw comparisons to “pro-life Christians who shoot doctors for providing legal abortions.”

The scenario describe here is precisely how the pro-life movement’s reputation for violence was manufactured. Overlooked in all this, is the fact that the media is only able to make such a big deal about pro-life violence because it is so rare. If it were even remotely common, they could not give it so much press. Also lost in this discussion is the fact that if abortion clinic shootings, assaults, bombings, arson, and other acts of violence were anywhere near as common as the abortion lobby claims, there would not be an insurance company in America that would sell them coverage.

Any objective analysis of this issue will show that the level of violence committed by people opposed to abortion has been grossly exaggerated, and that the pro-life movement is the most peaceful socio-political movement of its size and tenure in American history. To see the truth of that, study the other causes which are most similar: the anti-slavery, civil rights, and labor struggles. The cumulative total of the violence which has occurred in the more than 30 year history of the pro-life movement, does not compare to many single instances of violence occurring in those movements.

It is also interesting to note that not one of the murders of abortionists or abortion clinic employees occurred prior to the inauguration of Bill Clinton. Immediately after taking office, Clinton and his Attorney General, Janet Reno, began paying off their campaign debts to the abortion lobby. While Clinton got legislation passed to sweep the streets clean of peaceful non-violent picketers, Reno literally turned the Attorney General’s office and the FBI into a private police force for the abortion industry. When rumors about Reno’s witch-hunts first surfaced, she denied their existence. But documents were eventually discovered that proved she had been lying. The project even had a name: VAAPCON.

Given this environment, it is hardly surprising that less than three months after Clinton and Reno began cracking skulls, the first shooting occurred. This is not to suggest that this atmosphere justified the violence. However, we cannot pretend that it occurred in a vacuum. If a woman kills her abusive husband, even those who would argue that the abuse did not justify the killing, would at least recognize that it may have been a motivating factor. In this case, it would be illogical to ignore the fact that no shootings occurred until after the Clinton/Reno inquisition began.

What about overpopulation?

It is debatable whether overpopulation is a problem or not. Some recent data suggests that a bigger problem is declining birth rates which do not even replenish existing populations. However, if overpopulation is a problem, why limit our options to killing the unborn? It would be easy to put a legal limit on life at the other end as well, and enforce it through mandatory euthanasia at a pre-determined age. At the very least, we should immediately outlaw any medical research that’s intended to extend life. After all, if overpopulation really is a problem, it makes no sense to spend billions of dollars every year looking for ways to make people live longer.

In fact, whether it’s prohibitions on research or mandatory euthanasia, bumping off the elderly makes more sense than killing the unborn. The elderly use up more of our resources and they put a tremendous strain on our health care system. With our population growing older, and the baby boomers starting to retire, this plan could be exactly what we need to save Medicare and Social Security.

The Supreme Court settled this once and for all. They said that women have a constitutional right to abortion.

Although, the word “abortion” does not appear in the Constitution, in Roe v. Wade the Supreme Court ruled that the constitutional right to privacy encompasses the right to abortion. However, the word “privacy” is not found in the Constitution either. Despite that, the Court said that a right to privacy is found in a “penumbra” (shadow) of the Constitution. That little example of verbal gymnastics is known as “judicial activism” which simply means that the Court started with the conclusion they wanted and twisted the Constitution to make it fit.

After he died, the notes of Harry Blackmun – the Supreme Court Justice who wrote Roe v. Wade – were released and they made it undeniable that Blackmun, and the majority of the Supreme Court, found a right to abortion because that is what they set out to find. When they saw that the Constitution contained no foundation to support their political agenda, they simply manufactured one. This is best exemplified in their assertion that abortion is constitutional because the unborn are not “persons.” That is the modern version of a tactic the Court has used in the past to make certain groups constitutionally invisible. In their 1857 Dred Scott decision, they ruled that slavery was constitutional because black people were not “citizens.”

As for the claim that the abortion issue was settled by Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court has a long history of discovering that some of its prior decisions were wrong. We do not have to accept that abortion is a settled issue because of Roe v. Wade anymore than our ancestors had to accept that slavery was a settled issue because of Dred Scott.



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Don't forget about Plessy VS. Ferguson!

The Constitution says that people have to be “born or naturalized in the United States” to have rights. A fetus is not born.

Clearly, the right to life is extended to people beyond those who were born or naturalized in the United States. For example, it is not legal to murder a foreign visitor to the United States despite the fact that this person was neither born nor naturalized here.

This is the toughest decision a woman will ever make. No one has a right to interfere.

Murdering your child should be a tough decision. Just imagine how cold-blooded a woman would have to be to say it was no big deal. But simply because a decision is tough, does not mean it is either morally defensible or beyond the legitimate interest of the law. If a man is thinking about killing his 10-year-old daughter to collect on an insurance policy, it may be the toughest decision he ever had to make but that doesn’t mean it should be legal.

Of course, the real question is, why is abortion the toughest decision a woman will ever make? Perhaps it’s because within every woman who submits to an abortion, is the realization she is murdering her own baby.

If abortion is outlawed women will again be killed in back-alley abortions.

Virtually every study on this subject has concluded that deaths and injuries due to illegal abortion have been wildly exaggerated and that the vast majority of illegal abortions were done by licensed doctors who were simply breaking the law.

Not only are abortion apologists lying when they say that thousands of women used to die every year from back-alley, coat-hanger abortions, but their own research proves it.

Figures released in 1986 by the Alan Guttmacher Institute (the research arm of Planned Parenthood) show that in the 15 years prior to the legalization of abortion, the average number of women dying from illegal abortion in the entire United States was 136 per year and dropping.

Obviously, it is a tragedy when even one young woman loses her life in this way. However, there is a way to protect women against illegal abortions without butchering millions of defenseless children.
The first thing to keep in mind is that pro-lifers don’t do abortions. If abortion were outlawed today and illegal abortionists started springing up next week, every one of them would be someone who is pro-choice. In fact, every woman who was ever killed or maimed during an abortion – whether it was legal or illegal – was killed or maimed by someone who was pro-choice. In other words, when the abortion lobby says, “If abortion is made illegal, women will die,” what they’re actually saying is, “If you stop us from killing babies, we’re going to start killing women.”

So clearly, the solution to the back-alley abortion problem is for the pro-choice gang to agree not to do them. They could also help us pass legislation requiring that, (a) people who commit illegal abortions are to be prosecuted under the same homicide statutes that apply to any other hired killer and, (b) anyone who coerces a woman to have an illegal abortion, or helps to arrange an illegal abortion, is to be charged as an accessory to homicide.

Of course, these people are never going to agree to this because they never cared about this issue to begin with. They simply wanted to make it look like we are responsible for the pregnant women they are threatening to kill. The fact is, every time one of these radical pro-choice fanatics screams about dirty coat-hangers and back-alley abortions, the blood is on their hands – not ours.

Also, if the motivation for legalized abortion really is to save the lives of women, why don’t we legalize rape? After all, it is not uncommon for a woman to be killed by a rapist to keep her from identifying him to the authorities. Legalizing rape would save those women by taking away that motivation. We could also set up rape clinics where rapists could take their victims. These centers could offer clean rooms, condom machines, emergency contraception, and perhaps even doctors on staff in case the rapist injures his victim. We could even issue licenses to rapists requiring them to undergo routine testing for AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases.

Remember, the pro-choice argument is that women are going to have abortions regardless of what the law says, and that keeping abortion legal will make sure they occur in a clean and safe environment. Those dynamics also apply to rape. Keeping rape illegal has not prevented women from being raped, so why not at least try to prevent back-alley rapes? As ridiculous as this suggestion is, if the goal is saving women’s lives, it makes as much sense as legalized abortion.

You have no right to tell others what to believe. You people are just anti-choice extremists.

Given that “choice” is now defined as the right to butcher defenseless children by the millions, we are indeed anti-choice. If that also makes us extremists, so be it.

However, to contend that we are trying to tell people what to believe is absurd. Laws are passed to control behavior, not thought. Laws which prohibit armed robbery are not at all concerned about what people think about armed robbery, as long as they don’t commit them. That is how we view abortion. We don’t really care what people think about the unborn, as long as they don’t kill them.