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Devilangel697

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 2:02 am


I must say before i start this that i do not have a problem with religion as you could take me as being racist in this post.

I think religion is away of people feeling better about them selfs that there is a supreme being watching over them keeping them save and they can be forgiven. I think science is a way to try and prove things wrong, and prove yourself to be the best, and fully understand what is happening. To clear up the uncertain, unproven spots that religion has.

Ultimately religion can never be proved wrong but science can be by god just appearing...
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:25 am


Miss TiramiZu
> At least, it makes humanity more decent life. Religion is not worring about life conditions, it just worring about how to get much money, it's a business the religion.
Religion is not a buisness.
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> It killed us most of the time! Without religion, there will be 60% less death
And so does science. You see, foster children are tested through medical obstacles, they're performed as lab rats to science.

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> It's your choice to have faith on something which not exist. Believe on you and other ones that really exist, it's better!
Gimme proof that God doesn't exist!

Art Star_x


Light Kaji

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 11:20 am


Miss TiramiZu


> It killed us most of the time! Without religion, there will be 60% less death



This being a science forum you better have peer reviewed journals to back these statistics up. Otherwise it is just atheistic propaganda.
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 11:56 am


Physical science is more black and white - action/reaction - true/false -
and then it has to be applied to the world around us - medicine - if you are sick - you don't just always get a pill or treatment to find the cure - - people get diagnosed wrong - or have other issues that crop up - and more treatment is "tried" but not always successfully... Scientists have theories - they prove and disprove - - - and then make another guess...
So science then goes into "Mind" - - so where does this intelligence come from - - Why am I not as smart as you? or not? - biology - genetics - - Psychology - - Right now I can go into a Psychiatrist or Doctor office here in America and get most any "pill" to cure - whatever I think is wrong... ??? I saw it on TV - Zoloft - Celebrex - just ask your doctor!!
...and then there has even been scientific study regarding the affect of prayer on healing - miraculous cures - there is scientific proof of healing when it was scientifically impossible for someone to be cured -
I pray.
Religion = ?? God - Spirit - Faith - Power - Morals - Ethics??

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sbpoofer

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 12:03 pm


Religion
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For other uses, see religion (disambiguation).

A religion is a set of beliefs and practices generally held by a community, involving adherence to codified beliefs and rituals and study of ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and mystic experience. The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared conviction.

All patriarchal religions present a common quality, the "hallmark of patriarchal religious thought": the division of the world in two comprehensive domains, one sacred, the other profane. [1] Religion is often described as a communal system for the coherence of belief focusing on a system of thought, unseen being, person, or object, that is considered to be supernatural, sacred, divine, or of the highest truth. Moral codes, practices, values, institutions, tradition, rituals, and scriptures are often traditionally associated with the core belief, and these may have some overlap with concepts in secular philosophy. Religion is also often described as a "way of life".

The development of religion has taken many forms in various cultures. "Organized religion" generally refers to an organization of people supporting the exercise of some religion with a prescribed set of beliefs, often taking the form of a legal entity (see religion-supporting organization). Other religions believe in personal revelation and responsibility. "Religion" is sometimes used interchangeably with "faith" or "belief system,"[2] but is more socially defined than that of personal convictions.
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 12:18 pm


Einstein said: "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." I believe that. As long as one doesn't step into the boundaries of the other everything is ok.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1997/11/slack.html

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A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being. (Albert Einstein, 1936) Responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray. Source: Albert Einstein: The Human Side, Edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffmann



http://www.einsteinandreligion.com/

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 12:18 pm


I'm not an atheic propagander, i've nothing to ad or to vehiculate, you have your own opinion.

But well religion is different from science on at least one point. Science is discovering something. There is risks, and we all know science is not perfect.

BUT religion claim that their goal is to give us peace, or there's many many religion wars, religion wounded, religion suffering, and religion deaths. So huh, where's promising peace? nowhere with religion.

Science bring knowledge, which bring understanding, which bring respect, which don't bring any fear when there is a bizarre event, mystified by the religion but explained with science.

I will prove that "God" not exist when you will prove "God" exist. In all cases, it will bring nothing to humanity to believe on something which is just not there, it's a loss of time, it's a loss of energy, and after all, it's a big mess up of lying. We need to move, to discover, to understand our world. Not to say "ok, it's God that made all that, good". If god made aids, should we accept it and let millions of people die? If god made the global warming, the tsunami, should we accept it and low our arms down? NO! We are not spectators in this world. We can ACT on it, goodly or badly, but we are not puppets that a strange spirit manipulate at his will. We have choice into our live, choice to understand, go discover behind all mystery, or just sit and wait some undone miracles which when happen can always have an logic and scientific explanation and have nothing to see with some god...


Edit: It will certainly be my last intervention on this topic, because of the non easy argumentation on it (some are for science, some rare for religion, and some just don't care), and because of my precious time
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 1:40 pm


Miss TiramiZu

But well religion is different from science on at least one point. Science is discovering something. There is risks, and we all know science is not perfect.
You make science look as if it was the "right path."

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BUT religion claim that their goal is to give us peace, or there's many many religion wars, religion wounded, religion suffering, and religion deaths. So huh, where's promising peace? nowhere with religion.
It's not the damn religion's fault; it's the people who have that religion.

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Science bring knowledge, which bring understanding, which bring respect, which don't bring any fear when there is a bizarre event, mystified by the religion but explained with science.
Religion does bring knowledge to.

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I will prove that "God" not exist when you will prove "God" exist. In all cases, it will bring nothing to humanity to believe on something which is just not there, it's a loss of time, it's a loss of energy, and after all, it's a big mess up of lying. We need to move, to discover, to understand our world. Not to say "ok, it's God that made all that, good". If god made aids, should we accept it and let millions of people die? If god made the global warming, the tsunami, should we accept it and low our arms down? NO! We are not spectators in this world. We can ACT on it, goodly or badly, but we are not puppets that a strange spirit manipulate at his will. We have choice into our live, choice to understand, go discover behind all mystery, or just sit and wait some undone miracles which when happen can always have an logic and scientific explanation and have nothing to see with some god...
God didn't made aids. It was us humans who did. We didn't accept it when we found out about aids. Instead, we try to make a cure for it so we can prevent millions of people to die. God didn't make global warming. It was the greenhouse effect and who made that? Us humans. The tsunami was of natural causes. We didn't accept none of those, because the tsunami was unexpected and the global warming is something our SCIENTISTS are trying to prevent. We are not puppets, yes, but some of us choose to believe in God. That's why we have faith and try to bring our spirits up, when things seem so hopelessly screwed up. Science is explained logically, and religion is the belief system. Deal with it.

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 2:23 pm


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In my own opinion, science is the only thing that makes sense. Also, religion is just a way of controlling people (not like brainwashing, okay?). Religion was made during a time when mankind was ignorant and primitive. Also, it's a cause for many disputes in history. For example:
Nothern Ireland
the Spanish Inquisition
9/11
The Crusades
The Divine Right of Kings
Witch Trials in Europe and Asia
the perpetuation of slavery
The Dehumanization of other religious believers(and non-believers)
The Subjugation of Women
The refusal of some parents to give their children medical treatment, relying only on prayer and faith-healers
the supression of science and indeed reason itself
the decades of violence in the Middle East
capital crimes against Women's Health care
the war terror that we are currently in now

See, the Bible potrays God as all-loving, all-knowing, and all-powerful. But when you look at society now, and read the bible closely, you'll notice that this is false. If God allows children to get cancer, sick men to rape women, and people attacking us, then he allows evil. So either he isn't all loving, so he doesn't care, he isn't all powerful, which means he can't do anything about it, or he isn't all knowing, meaning he doesn't know about it. You can have two outta three, but you can't have all three. There are many other ways to bust religious questions. For more info, go to youtube.com and search for An Atheist Answers Common Religious Questions. This is the source for my examples.(just wanted to say that so it isn't copyright or something sweatdrop )


I think you missed something. First of all, the Crusades was lead by lunatics that either didn't listen to what the Bible actually teaches, or they went insane. The Bible says nothing about killing those that don't believe in Christ. Over time, the Bible itself was being used for wrong reasons, and people screwed it up so that they could have an excuse for anything they do. As Emily said before, the Bible should not be taken literally, and many people do this. Otherwise, they misinterpret it, and think that going around killing all the non-believers is the right way to go.


Well, i forgot to mention that religious beliefs are the cause and/or justification of those incidents. And of course, I know that. I'd never take the Bible seriously. Why would i? There are so many things in it that make no sense whatsoever, like God sent his ONLY son down to earth just to die for people that were going to sin anyways, He created a tree that He knew Adam and Eve were going to eat from even though they were going to die if they did, and so on. If he was all-knowing then he'd already known that Adam and Eve were going to eat from a tree that he said would kill them,yet they didn't die. And how would they have known that this was wrong? They were naive, like a child. They didn't know right from wrong. And if He knew this, then why did he get angry at them? It sounds to me like he was just setting a trap for humanity.And sending his only son down to people he condemn for eternity just so his son could be put through torment to die for their sins, yet they were still going to sin? That's just stupid. I'm just summarizing my long rant into one short sentence: It's stupid and has no logic.
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:12 pm


Dahlia Thief Lord
And so does science. You see, foster children are tested through medical obstacles, they're performed as lab rats to science.


That's interesting. I'd like to read up on that....

Jubillie


Jubillie

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:14 pm


Dahlia Thief Lord
Gimme proof that God doesn't exist!


You can't prove or disprove God.
If you could then he wouldn't be a God.

The second you prove God will be the same second you disprove him.
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:17 pm


Dahlia Thief Lord
Miss TiramiZu
Science is just correct and exact, until someone proove the opposite or improve the science.
Prove science is always correct.



You can't prove science is always correct, because it's not.
Nothing in science is 100%

Jubillie


Jubillie

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:42 pm


Akhiris
Miss TiramiZu


> It killed us most of the time! Without religion, there will be 60% less death



This being a science forum you better have peer reviewed journals to back these statistics up. Otherwise it is just atheistic propaganda.


Maybe it was her own hypothesis..
we don't need to be calling names now. (atheistic)

It's true that throughout history, most of the wars waged upon mankind have been fought over religion. Check out the middle east, they are still at it...this time with bombs - of some sort.

I don't really feel like researching, but I can later for those source hungry gians. wink

History shows there have been many religious wars waged, but what you should be asking to counter that is "how many more has it avoided?"

Religion has it's goods and it's bads, as does everthing else in the world.
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:45 pm


Ang Yi
Einstein said: "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."


I agree 100% and believe that as well.

Einstein, he knew what he was talking about.
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Jubillie


Light Kaji

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:01 pm


Jubillie
Akhiris
Miss TiramiZu


> It killed us most of the time! Without religion, there will be 60% less death



This being a science forum you better have peer reviewed journals to back these statistics up. Otherwise it is just atheistic propaganda.


Maybe it was her own hypothesis..
we don't need to be calling names now. (atheistic)

It's true that throughout history, most of the wars waged upon mankind have been fought over religion. Check out the middle east, they are still at it...this time with bombs - of some sort.

I don't really feel like researching, but I can later for those source hungry gians. wink

History shows there have been many religious wars waged, but what you should be asking to counter that is "how many more has it avoided?"

Religion has it's goods and it's bads, as does everthing else in the world.


Not calling her names, I am labeling the type of propaganda. Unsupported facts have no place in a scientific forum... That would make them not science, but a matter of belief (sounds almost like religion then!)
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