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Then if you want to leave of being a Muslim then go! Our Almighty Allah is not forcing you to stay of being a Muslim! Before you leave of being a Muslim read first the Qur'an and see why people must NOT be a GAY!..

I seriously would like to know this too.

There's some kind of psychology treatment to make people straight I think I heard from somewhere. It's possible to not be gay, just like it is to 'be' gay. It's the Psychology of it.

*agrees* I like how you put it.

The Quran isn't OUTDATED, but how the rules apply change a LITTLE as time goes by. The fundamentals stay, but these fundamentals do have some leeway in my opinion..

Like, for instance, a girl wearing slightly loose jeans and a loose longsleeve + full hijab would still be considered a bit haram during that time, because in that culture, THAT is considered a bit revealing of the body-shape.. but NOW, in THIS culture, what we wear is considered very modest, so it makes it okay. You know what I'm saying?

As for this homosexuality thing, it's a very painful issue to me in my heart, and I really do think that anyone who is dealing with it needs to come to terms with it in some way. I doubt these ideas that homosexuality can be "fixed". Maybe some people can, maybe some can't.

But what of for those who can't?

Now, I VAGUELY remember this story.. Sorry about it being vague and not being able to bring up the proof for it.. I'll have to look for it later. But it basically talks about either the prophet's (s) or one of the caliph's time.. or of SOME prophet out there. I don't know..

ANYWAYS, the story was of this man who gambled and binged on alcohol a lot, and to society he was considered a bad man. When he died, no one would do his funeral prayer. But the prophet/caliph/whoever was the religious guy in the story, was told by an angel or something to go and do his funeral prayer, and that he was meant for heaven or something. (yeah this is all basically story details.. getting to the main part.)

The people of the village asked why he was praying for this bad man, and the guy turned to the bad man's wife and asked him about the bad man. She told how every night, he would feel horrible about his sins and ask God, "Which part of hell have you saved for me?" And she also told about how he always took care of these two Orphans, and treated them like his own.

Now, the point of this anecdote is that this guy was heavenworthy, even though he was a sinful alcoholic. He would keep doing alcohol, even if he was sorry and even when while repenting, he knew he would do it again. This can apply to homosexuality because in some cases, they can't help it, like alcoholics. I mean, if they are sure they cannot resist being homosexual, then as long as they do good deeds and be a good muslim, then they are heavenworthy.

As for whether being homosexual on its own will send someone to hell, that all depends from one case to the other. It's not a RULE.

Ya Allah..

Being GAY is strictly forbidden like most of the members said. But if your straight that means you cannot kiss or hug or have any body contact with the opposite sex unless its your husband. If you do its haram. You can talk to ur opposite sex about religious things and educations but that’s it. Yes that MEANS no dating. You may see it on TV but its just forbidden.

I agree with frifri. How the hell do love marriages happen if we don't "date". All a date really is is going out together and getting to know them. The whole purpose of dating is to get to know each other and find someone who you wanna be with for the rest of your life.

Dating does not necessarily mean you have to kiss or hug or have sex or anything like that. If people don't "date" then how did love marriages happen with my cousin and his wife, my niece and her husband, and my other cousin and her husband? They "dated" aka got to know each other.

And even with arranged marriages, the people get to talk to each other which if you didn't already know and as frifri said, is a "date".

EDIT: I don't think any kind of touching is allowed with the opposite sex until marriage unless I guess it's a handshake when you meet them or a tap on the shoulder to get their attention or something.