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Well, then post counter-fluff, not just leave until it goes away. You call yourself a mod, Karma, or shall I say General Benedict Karma.

You want them to back down when it becomes more "obvious" that they are wrong, or might be. Would you be just as willing to back down?

The problem with the whole scenario is proof. Unless they prove themselves in front of you, it is not valid proof. Even then, it is still not valid proof.

Call it fluff, call it crap, call it right, call it wrong. It doesn't matter, as it can't be proven. There is so little one can genuinely do to prove anything, except some of our most basic scientific ideas (which have been falling under question in the past few years).

I say why bother insisting that something is wrong? If it works for them then it "obviously" has to be right, right? Or if it doesn't work, their will either be a period of disillusionment, and they will go to something else, or they will leave it all entirely.

Post what you can, and maybe someone will pick it up and agree with you. Others won't.

Very true. In another guild I was in, a girl posted a story about a black being with glowing whitish eyes (I think), and claimed she had been burned by it or it left a rash or something. She also claimed to have gone to the hospital about these marks, and the doctors couldn't find anything. She kept going on about it, and how much help she needed. I suggested sulfur burns, perhaps an allergic reaction, but she kept insisting that it wasn't it. It was one of the most active threads, because it was really the first major issue (I've been with that guild since the start). But I suppose she got the attention she was looking for, because eventually she just stopped posting in the guild, though she would still log on to her account. So either the thing killed her and someone's been logging on to her account, or she's full of s**t and an attention whore.

And anyone can attempt to prove someone wrong. Logic and reasoning can prove just about anything, it's the fallacies, overanalyzing and misinterpreting that you've got to watch out for. Still, you can create a bulletproof argument for just about everything if you put your mind to it. Perceptions are all that matters. You can doubt yourself, sure. But someone fighting to prove you wrong is only going to make you more defensive about it, whether you're aware of it or not.

Hah, hah, hah. stare So smart.

Anywho, um... In your first post, you said you can "kick their a** verbally or bodily". It was something along those lines. You can't. It's against all the morals of the Wiccan religion, which I think is the main religion here. (I think.)

Every last of the only three rules. 1 Don't hurt overs. 2 The three fold rule. 3 No self gain by magick!

So yeah... You can't. Let it go and push forward. On the other hand, all the people yelling: "I need a spell!!!!!!!!!!" Probably don't know how to make a circle. *snickers* The spells, if correct, though that's a far jump, won't work properly.

I find this extremly funny because I'm most likely younger and know how to prepare and carry through the circle. Hah, hah! And again, if they go and make self gain... Against the only three rules there are. I mean, c'mon guys? How hard is it to respect three little rules that you should live by anyway?

I also want to point out the fact magick isn't for "******** around with". That's childish and ignortant. But also extremly dumb and amazingly messed up. You could die doing a potion the wrong way because you were "******** around". And it, Wicca, is a self-respecting religion. You wouldn't throw all the holy water around in the church in the middle of serivce, would you?

No! So don't do it with Wicca, which is what you are doing!

I'm going to have to side with Dras here. The majority of people in this guild aren't Wiccan. There are psionics, chaos magicians, otherkin, etc. None of these feel particularly loyal to the Wiccan rede.

I personally can't stand the rede. If you want to follow it, then fine. Follow it. Just don't whine at others when they do things that you may find "wrong". Also, those "three little rules" aren't the greatest thing ever. I hate when a religion tells me how to live my life without any knowledge of my culture, history, or personality. Hence why I'm spiritual and not religious. Those three little rules would have you surrender yourself and your loved ones without a fight. Many people (like myself) don't let people push us or our loved ones around. We fight back. We'll do things to ******** someone up if they hurt someone we care about. By saying that the rede is something that we should all live by is ignorant and even a trite selfish.

I think by personal gain it means monetary gain. Most groups, wicca or not, will try and say something about that...

Ah, I see. I just analyze things too much, really. But I've found the Baptists to be worse than the Catholics. One of my best friends is Catholic (and we have quite a few talks about religion and such), but I have yet to meet a Baptist who I've found to be tolerable. Or at least that I know of...

To interject with a joke...


What do you get when you cross a Unitarian and a Jehova's Witness?


Someone who goes door-to-door for no reason.