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 Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:51 am
lifeistupid429 famusamu lifeistupid429 . murder is a sin, even if u are killing a murderer As I have stated MANY MANY TIMES it's not murder to kill a murderer! Read the Bible before making theories please! The loss of any human life is tragic yes, but Saddam had to pay for what he did. Had he of lived there was a chance he could have escaped and killed more people! If Saddam murdered your family would you want him to live? Ask yourself that? He was found guilty by his own government and sentenced to death by his goverment. You said G-d should get to choose when a person dies...... He does! He decides who lives and who dies, He also gave us His Commandments that tell us to put to death a murderer! wtf are you talking about. of course it's murder to kill a murderer. if saddam had killed my family, you know what? i would want him to die. but that doesn't make it right. just because i would want vengeance doesn't make vengeance right. god says u need to be punished for your sins in the OLD TESTAMENT jesus came to save us for our sins so that we don't need to die for them. we can be forgiven. if you're going to post in a CHRISTIAN guild, at least PRETEND like you believe jesus came to save us 1st of all 'wtf?' is an abbreviation for cussing. Col. 3:8 says that as Christians we aren't to cuss. Y'shua(Jesus) didn't come to destroy the Law or the Prophets (the OLD TESTAMENT as you put it) but to fulfill, and until Heaven and earth pass away not even the smallest leter will be changed in G-d's Law. Matthew 5:17-19. There is nothing 'old' about the Tanach (OT) it's still the same G-d we serve today! G-d's Word calls for Capital Punishment for murderers! Of course Saddam could have been forgiven IF he would have accepted the LORD while he was alive. But we see in his references to allah and muhammed he did not! Now as to your sophomoric last comment, sister, of course I believe that Y'shua (Jesus) came to save us from sin, BUT we must be willing to accept that gift and live for Him.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:04 pm
lifeistupid429 how can u guys be glad that a person is dead? are u kidding me? sure he was a horrible horrible person, but no one deserves death. murder is a sin, even if u are killing a murderer. God should get to choose when a person leaves this Earth, not some stupid government. how can u be so quick to doom a person to an eternity of torture? he was a bad person, so he will go to hell, and he can suffer then. saddam was a ringleader. now, with him gone, all of the people the next level down are going to take power. instead of one homicidal freak, we will have multiple homicidal freaks. u pull out the weed and two more sprout up from it's place. i am sickened that anyone who claims to be a good christian would celebrate the death of another. I'm not even that religious, but even I've heard the phrase "love ur enemy as u would love ur neighbor" and "treat ur neighbor how u would want to be treated" im not in love with him or anything, but he was just a crazy person who happened to get too much power. it happens all the time, and u dont see us blowing up our asylums just to rid us from potential evil. agg, im sorry, but this really frustrates me. All Governments are in place by God. For the Lord's sake accept the authority of every human institution, whether of the emperor as supreme, or of governors, as sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do right." I Pet. 2:13,14 So it was The iraqi governments duty to hold saddam acountable for his actions.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:31 pm
famusamu 1st of all 'wtf?' is an abbreviation for cussing. Col. 3:8 says that as Christians we aren't to cuss. Y'shua(Jesus) didn't come to destroy the Law or the Prophets (the OLD TESTAMENT as you put it) but to fulfill, and until Heaven and earth pass away not even the smallest leter will be changed in G-d's Law. Matthew 5:17-19. There is nothing 'old' about the Tanach (OT) it's still the same G-d we serve today! G-d's Word calls for Capital Punishment for murderers! Of course Saddam could have been forgiven IF he would have accepted the LORD while he was alive. But we see in his references to allah and muhammed he did not! Now as to your sophomoric last comment, sister, of course I believe that Y'shua (Jesus) came to save us from sin, BUT we must be willing to accept that gift and live for Him. So do you also think that farmers should not be permitted to crossbreed livestock (Lev. 19:19)? Shameful sin, that one is. You'd better start protesting the existence of mules. I mean, I'm just sayin'. If you're gonna follow one rule, I hope you follow them all. And if you do, then hats off to you. As for the topic at hand, I'm generally against capital punishment, except in rare cases where simply incarcerating a convicted criminal would still pose a danger to the public. (Such as a place not having proper prisons, or a person being especially deft at escaping. Ted Bundy comes to mind.) But just killing someone in the name of "an eye for an eye" doesn't bode well with me, and it doesn't strike me as being very Christ-like. It's not our job to force people to repent to our God under threat of death. If they do so of their own free will, then that's fabulous. But just because they don't doesn't give us a right to kill them when we can imprison them safely. Who knows? Perhaps a lifetime in prison would have led them to God. It's happened before.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:40 am
SinfulGuillotine So do you also think that farmers should not be permitted to crossbreed livestock (Lev. 19:19)? Shameful sin, that one is. You'd better start protesting the existence of mules. I mean, I'm just sayin'. If you're gonna follow one rule, I hope you follow them all. And if you do, then hats off to you. Well I am a Messianic Jew, and as a Jew I am expected to follow the 613 Laws of the Torah. Secondly Lev. 19:19 is about breeding different types of animals together, not horses and donkeys which are basically the same animal. The verse in Hebrew reads: יט אֶת-חֻקֹּתַי, תִּשְׁמֹרוּ--בְּהֶמְתְּךָ לֹא-תַרְבִּיעַ כִּלְאַיִם, שָׂדְךָ לֹא-תִזְרַע כִּלְאָיִם; וּבֶגֶד כִּלְאַיִם שַׁעַטְנֵז, לֹא יַעֲלֶה עָלֶיךָ. Literally: You must keep My statutes. You must not allow two different kinds of your animals to breed, you must not sow your field with two different kinds of seed, and you must not wear a garment made of two different kinds of fabric. Finally, I don't believe we should execute everyone in prison, only those who actions in life merit death, but where would Saddam have heard about Jesus in an Iraqi prison? His goverment decided his fate, not ours.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:35 pm
famusamu SinfulGuillotine So do you also think that farmers should not be permitted to crossbreed livestock (Lev. 19:19)? Shameful sin, that one is. You'd better start protesting the existence of mules. I mean, I'm just sayin'. If you're gonna follow one rule, I hope you follow them all. And if you do, then hats off to you. Well I am a Messianic Jew, and as a Jew I am expected to follow the 613 Laws of the Torah. Secondly Lev. 19:19 is about breeding different types of animals together, not horses and donkeys which are basically the same animal. The verse in Hebrew reads: יט אֶת-חֻקֹּתַי, תִּשְׁמֹרוּ--בְּהֶמְתְּךָ לֹא-תַרְבִּיעַ כִּלְאַיִם, שָׂדְךָ לֹא-תִזְרַע כִּלְאָיִם; וּבֶגֶד כִּלְאַיִם שַׁעַטְנֵז, לֹא יַעֲלֶה עָלֶיךָ. Literally: You must keep My statutes. You must not allow two different kinds of your animals to breed, you must not sow your field with two different kinds of seed, and you must not wear a garment made of two different kinds of fabric. I know what Lev. 19:19 says. First of all, donkeys and horses are different kinds of animals, and secondly, if they were too drastically different genetically, they wouldn't be able to breed at all, and then the point would be moot, so I'm pretty sure that mules are not okay according to Levitican law. But this is all fairly irrelevent to the topic at hand. Quote: Finally, I don't believe we should execute everyone in prison, only those who actions in life merit death What determines if a person's deeds merit death or not? Quote: but where would Saddam have heard about Jesus in an Iraqi prison? It might be unlikely, but it's certainly not impossible. Quote: His goverment decided his fate, not ours. So that makes it more acceptable?
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:47 pm
saddam probably already had a chance to repent. Even if he did, His actions i believe are still punishable by death. He killed thousands of people. I feel bad for the Guy if he never accepted Christ. But no one told him he had to do what he did. It was his decision. Even if saddam was a brother in the lord after what he did, His actions are still terrible. Jesus Didn't save the thief who believed in him on the cross from capital punishment. He did give him eternal life though.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:15 pm
Yes we all know a lot of people disagree with the death penalty. But the closest thing to death is torcher. Which other people think that torcher is worse than death. So we obviously need to have a death rule. But you wouldn't be in that situation unless you're a manac tyrant going around dropping bombs and losing your people's lives and going about declaring an unreasonable war.
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