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 Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:54 pm
Indigo Project I am beginning to think that this thread exists less for the purpose of discussing the reasons for/benefits of being a vegitarian, and more to bag on people who have already made that choice. stare Well, some of us are trying to explain why, but it doesn't seem to be gettting through. For the record, I believe in a little thing called CREATION. Have you ever heard of belief in what your religion teaches, Ascott? Yes, we have the right to, but it doesn't mean we should. Here's my opinion on killing animals, if you're going to kill the animal you better use every damn part of it. You use the meat for food, the skin for something, the bones for something, and if you can you better use the sinew as well. You also better have had respect for the animal.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:54 pm
Indigo Project Ascott Indigo Project Ascott Indigo Project Ascott What possible moral justification could you have for not eating meat? You can find answers here. I can find badly animated propaganda I've had shoved down my throat before, but very little in the way of answers. Where does this assumption that we have to treat animals like people come from? Dude, does the fact that these practices spread mad cow disease and ecoli to humans bother you at all? Not really, no. I'm not convinced by any evidence I can find on a website like that. I also don't have or know anyone with either of them. You're a fool. This is futile. Just because it has never happened to you or anyone you know doesn't make it any less true. No, but it does mean i care about it less. If you unequivocally accept the views of a site so heavily biased, you are a fool.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:55 pm
Ascott Slim95 Ascott Celestial Burden Ascott Jaft Eh? Can you elaborate? The whole being a vegan thing or what? That's just the outer limit. I do not get the refusal to eat animals. At all. Well, with my vegetarian friends, it's a moral thing. They don't find it right that we kill animals that are almost completely defenseless against our hunting methods. That's a result of thousands of years of evolution. We are currently at the top of the food chain. We've won. Do you think they'd find it more acceptable if we were to hunt them with spears and arrows? Because I'm all in favour of that. Like I said, some people find an affinity for animals we hunt (or just raise) as food. They feel guilty about taking their lives, or taking their lives in inhumane manners. Also, you seem to be completely forgetting about those who do it for health reasons... It's all about perception, my friend. 3nodding While it may be hard for you to understand their views, it may also be hard for them to understand yours. You have to open your mind and place your mind on both sides of the fence if you truly want an answer to your own question. Stare at things from a vegan's shoes. See? All I can see is a very boring menu for the rest of my life ¬_¬ No, I really can't see why someone would want to go against nature quite so peversely. There's probably a better way for me to put that, but I can't think of one. Actually vegan menus are extremely varied and quite delicious. You're making the assumption that veggie diets are just veggies and thats it. They are quite capable of making some delicious meals from what they CAN eat. And not eating meat is not going against nature, hell if you want to go that route, humanity does a lot of things against nature like oh driving cars.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:56 pm
No more name calling.
One more thing, humans aren't at the top of the food chain.
That spot belongs to bacteria or cockroaches.
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Jafthasleftthebuilding Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:56 pm
Celestial Burden Indigo Project I am beginning to think that this thread exists less for the purpose of discussing the reasons for/benefits of being a vegitarian, and more to bag on people who have already made that choice. stare Well, some of us are trying to explain why, but it doesn't seem to be gettting through. Forgive me. I'll rephrase that. What I meant was that this thread was created for that purpose, given the reactions of the creator.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:56 pm
Celestial Burden Indigo Project I am beginning to think that this thread exists less for the purpose of discussing the reasons for/benefits of being a vegitarian, and more to bag on people who have already made that choice. stare Well, some of us are trying to explain why, but it doesn't seem to be gettting through. For the record, I believe in a little thing called CREATION. Have you ever heard of belief in what your religion teaches, Ascott? Yes, we have the right to, but it doesn't mean we should. Here's my opinion on killing animals, if you're going to kill the animal you better use every damn part of it. You use the meat for food, the skin for something, the bones for something, and if you can you better use the sinew as well. You also better have had respect for the animal. I agree with you fully on that second part Celestial. That's why I like the idea of hunters who EAT what they hunt 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:57 pm
I'm honestly not trying to bash vegetarians here. I just...really don't get it. Bah.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:57 pm
Being at the top of the food chain simply means we pretty much have the choice of eating everything. So, if someone chooses to eat the first step of the food chain it's their choice. Vegetarians = years of evolution. Vegetarianism is evolution at work actually. It's people realizing they have a choice in what they eat, and that meat is not the only answer.
I, choose to continue eating meat.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:57 pm
Ascott Sanzoskitsune Ascott Celestial Burden Ascott Celestial Burden Well, with my vegetarian friends, it's a moral thing. They don't find it right that we kill animals that are almost completely defenseless against our hunting methods. That's a result of thousands of years of evolution. We are currently at the top of the food chain. We've won. Do you think they'd find it more acceptable if we were to hunt them with spears and arrows? Because I'm all in favour of that. Here's my opinion. The theory of evolution couldn't possibly be true. It seems to sped up to me. Also, beig at the top of the food chain means nothing. You are aware that there are animals that will eat human flesh, correct? Compared to other life fors on Earth, humans are new. We''re children, and we known nothing about ourland compared to the knowledge of other animals. They are just as capable of killing us. Ah. So the theory you believe in is...? We are at the top of the food chain, and that does mean something. If there was an animal, concievably any animal in the world that a human wanted to eat, it would be a simple case of tracking it down, finding it and killing it. We know more than the animals, we can do more than the animals, and that gives us the right to eat them if we can. Ah yes it gives us the RIGHT but it doesn't mean we are forced to do so. To be able to do something does not necessarily mean we should do it. Heck we have the ability to go around killing everyone we come across does that mean we should do it or are forced to do it? No, I'm talking about ability here by the way not legally speaking. The person's decision to not eat meat is a decision they make all on their own But people are people. Animals are, well animals. People are also animals, but they're people before they're animals. I'm sorry but this logic is not working for me. People are animals, period. They are not "people" first then animals they are animals end of story.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:58 pm
Jaft One more thing, humans aren't at the top of the food chain. That spot belongs to bacteria or cockroaches. I always liked the idea of the "Food Web" personally. A "chain" would indicate a distinct beginning and end, while such is not always the case.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:58 pm
Ascott Slim95 Ascott Celestial Burden Ascott Jaft Eh? Can you elaborate? The whole being a vegan thing or what? That's just the outer limit. I do not get the refusal to eat animals. At all. Well, with my vegetarian friends, it's a moral thing. They don't find it right that we kill animals that are almost completely defenseless against our hunting methods. That's a result of thousands of years of evolution. We are currently at the top of the food chain. We've won. Do you think they'd find it more acceptable if we were to hunt them with spears and arrows? Because I'm all in favour of that. Like I said, some people find an affinity for animals we hunt (or just raise) as food. They feel guilty about taking their lives, or taking their lives in inhumane manners. Also, you seem to be completely forgetting about those who do it for health reasons... It's all about perception, my friend. 3nodding While it may be hard for you to understand their views, it may also be hard for them to understand yours. You have to open your mind and place your mind on both sides of the fence if you truly want an answer to your own question. Stare at things from a vegan's shoes. See? All I can see is a very boring menu for the rest of my life ¬_¬ No, I really can't see why someone would want to go against nature quite so peversely. There's probably a better way for me to put that, but I can't think of one. *shrugs* It's not necessarily boring. There's always a way to add variety to what you eat. Also, just because I eat meat doesn't mean I have an interesting menu....(Steak, potatos, lettuce, chicken, carrots, rotate xd ) It's not really "going against nature". We are humans, as you said, and humans are omnivores. We eat what we wanna. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:59 pm
Ascott ~lizzerde~ Ascott Sanzoskitsune Because they choose to not eat meat, they each have their own personal reasons. Some just don't like the taste of meat, some do it for moral reasons, and some do it for health reasons. It depends on the person. Why is refusing to eat meat altogether seen as healthy? What possible moral justification could you have for not eating meat? try being trapped in a meat locker for half an hour without anyone knowing where you were. that'd do it. I'm not a cow. moo. ninja xd haha sorry, couldn't resist. but i have a friend who was trapped in an industrial meat locker for about half an hour after her grad, and nobody knew where she was. she was surrounded by very large bundles of bloody, fresh meat. the smell, i immagine, would be enough to put one off for atleast a little while. she used to love steak and such like i do. now she won't eat anything meaty that's not seafood. why? because the images/smells of slain creatures hanging by their guys and dripping on the ice while she froze, surrounded by them was enough to turn her off any kind of animal meat other than small shellfish (small, completely different smell, etc). and also... just try to be open minded to other people's feelings on it wink . people have their own reasons, like not being comfortable with eating animals, or maybe they just don't like the taste, or maybe they're trying to eat healthy (for example if you have a severe heart condition), or religious reasons. *shrug* not saying you're being rude or anything, just saying you've gotta consider individual reasons. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:59 pm
Celestial Burden Indigo Project I am beginning to think that this thread exists less for the purpose of discussing the reasons for/benefits of being a vegitarian, and more to bag on people who have already made that choice. stare Well, some of us are trying to explain why, but it doesn't seem to be gettting through. For the record, I believe in a little thing called CREATION. Have you ever heard of belief in what your religion teaches, Ascott? Yes, we have the right to, but it doesn't mean we should. Here's my opinion on killing animals, if you're going to kill the animal you better use every damn part of it. You use the meat for food, the skin for something, the bones for something, and if you can you better use the sinew as well. You also better have had respect for the animal. Had you mentioned your religion to me, I'd have known that. As you didn't, it was a little hard for me to guess really, wasn't it? Even if you do believe in creation, God put us above all the other animals. We have the right to do what we want to them. Why? Animals are beneath us. No matter what your beliefs are, this is a truth.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:01 pm
Slim95 Ascott Slim95 Ascott Celestial Burden Well, with my vegetarian friends, it's a moral thing. They don't find it right that we kill animals that are almost completely defenseless against our hunting methods. That's a result of thousands of years of evolution. We are currently at the top of the food chain. We've won. Do you think they'd find it more acceptable if we were to hunt them with spears and arrows? Because I'm all in favour of that. Like I said, some people find an affinity for animals we hunt (or just raise) as food. They feel guilty about taking their lives, or taking their lives in inhumane manners. Also, you seem to be completely forgetting about those who do it for health reasons... It's all about perception, my friend. 3nodding While it may be hard for you to understand their views, it may also be hard for them to understand yours. You have to open your mind and place your mind on both sides of the fence if you truly want an answer to your own question. Stare at things from a vegan's shoes. See? All I can see is a very boring menu for the rest of my life ¬_¬ No, I really can't see why someone would want to go against nature quite so peversely. There's probably a better way for me to put that, but I can't think of one. *shrugs* It's not necessarily boring. There's always a way to add variety to what you eat. Also, just because I eat meat doesn't mean I have an interesting menu....(Steak, potatos, lettuce, chicken, carrots, rotate xd ) It's not really "going against nature". We are humans, as you said, and humans are omnivores. We eat what we wanna. 3nodding Good point >_>. I'll admit to knowing almost nothing about a potential vegan diet; just that I can think of roughly three meals that I'd eat that didn't involve animal products. Yes, but as omnivores we should really eat everything in order to get our ideal diet, surely?
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:02 pm
Indigo Project Jaft One more thing, humans aren't at the top of the food chain. That spot belongs to bacteria or cockroaches. I always liked the idea of the "Food Web" personally. A "chain" would indicate a distinct beginning and end, while such is not always the case. Pfft. I can eat more cockroaches than cockroaches can eat me. I can't speak for everyone of course, but I am > cockroaches.
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