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It's just another example of how things go when we, as humans, put our own intellect and understanding before the things that the Lord reveals through His word. We always come out looking like fools. Our ways are so finite in comparison to the Master's will. There's no way we could fully understand what is on His mind. How do we know, then? We read His word and follow it, not drifting to the right or to the left. We concentrate on His word and allow it to change us!! It's far too easy to distort the word of God by adding out own understanding to it.

Now, as far as the music argument goes, it's fairly simple. The real music is in the lyrics, not the way that the sound is played. A person can praise the same God with the same lyrics, yet have radically different sounds (example: a classical pianist and a death metal guitarist). Music is a powerful tool, both for edification and for corruption, so we have to be careful. I always try to read the lyrics of a song that I like to really understand whether or not I can afford to listen to it, because I want to keep my mind clean.

...and to throw my hat into the whole "anti-gay" bit that seems to get us all into massive amounts of embarrassment with our society, God created people with free will, but He also has a design for us all. I see sin is a perversion of God's original design that is exercised through our free will. I'm going to get into a lot of trouble with this next statement, but I'm going to say it anyway. Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice brought about through our free will by giving in to the temptation to misuse our bodies in such a manner ("normalized" addictions to things like pornography are among the same style of misuse, so we straight arrows aren't completely guiltless). No one is born as a homosexual. However, regardless of what strongholds the enemy of our souls may have over our lives, we serve a God that loves us all the same. He is as a parent to us, in that He hates the things we do, but loves us all as though we were perfect.

...and we, as Christians, must strive to love all the people of this world as our Holy Lord Jesus loves us, having died on our behalf while we were still His enemies!! This is not left up to choice. We are ordered to do so, and what may separate the true believers from the false ones could be left to a single question: are we willing to love the lost ones of this world in the same manner?

Think about it.

I partially agree. Some people can be so ignorant, and it gives the world a bad image that Christians are idiots. But even though your mom was somewhat ignorant, it's because of the other bands you listen to that she assumes, metal can't be Christian, which is a good point. If your someone doesn't know alot about metal, what will they think? What you're listening to.


You know what also makes me mad besides ignorant people? Hypocrites! They make it look like CHristianity is a joke, and it's not real, and we can disobey our own laws to having fun...

anyways, little off topic I guess.

It's just another example of how things go when we, as humans, put our own intellect and understanding before the things that the Lord reveals through His word. We always come out looking like fools. Our ways are so finite in comparison to the Master's will. There's no way we could fully understand what is on His mind. How do we know, then? We read His word and follow it, not drifting to the right or to the left. We concentrate on His word and allow it to change us!! It's far too easy to distort the word of God by adding out own understanding to it.

Now, as far as the music argument goes, it's fairly simple. The real music is in the lyrics, not the way that the sound is played. A person can praise the same God with the same lyrics, yet have radically different sounds (example: a classical pianist and a death metal guitarist). Music is a powerful tool, both for edification and for corruption, so we have to be careful. I always try to read the lyrics of a song that I like to really understand whether or not I can afford to listen to it, because I want to keep my mind clean.

...and to throw my hat into the whole "anti-gay" bit that seems to get us all into massive amounts of embarrassment with our society, God created people with free will, but He also has a design for us all. I see sin is a perversion of God's original design that is exercised through our free will. I'm going to get into a lot of trouble with this next statement, but I'm going to say it anyway. Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice brought about through our free will by giving in to the temptation to misuse our bodies in such a manner ("normalized" addictions to things like pornography are among the same style of misuse, so we straight arrows aren't completely guiltless). No one is born as a homosexual. However, regardless of what strongholds the enemy of our souls may have over our lives, we serve a God that loves us all the same. He is as a parent to us, in that He hates the things we do, but loves us all as though we were perfect.

...and we, as Christians, must strive to love all the people of this world as our Holy Lord Jesus loves us, having died on our behalf while we were still His enemies!! This is not left up to choice. We are ordered to do so, and what may separate the true believers from the false ones could be left to a single question: are we willing to love the lost ones of this world in the same manner?

Think about it.

Hm... i think that many times if we say we are christians and gays, etc. think that we judge them as evil. However, who are we to judge others? The parrible of How can you take the splint out of someones eye when you have a plank in your eye. We sometimes get self righteous but we need to humble ourselves and remember that God loves everyone, regardless of color, race, political views, etc. smile

Everyone here is saying that homosexuality is wrong, and you know what? It isn't. Even the most literal, out-of-context interpretations can only safely argue that the ACT of gay sex is wrong, and even that idea falls away when we look at the original laguage texts.

The fact is, sexual orientation is not a choice. Studies have clearly shown that it is a genetic anomaly and is unchangeable.


Sexuality and Choice
- Wikipedia on Sexual Orientation
- Gay Men Respond Differently to Pheremones
- Gay Men's Brains Found Different
- The Homosexual Brain
- APA on Homosexuality
- Reuters: Gene Alters Sexuality of Fruit Flies
- Cell: Fruit Fly Experiment
- Homosexuality-A Natural Cause?
- A Difference in Hypothalmic Structure Between Heterosexual and Homosexual Men (study published in Science, 253: 1034-1037, 1991)
- NewScientist.com: Pheromone attracts straight women and gay men
- Sexuality Is Not A Choice
- APA On Sexuality
- Homosexuality: Nature or Nurture
- Twin Studies of Homosexuality

Even the pope (who by all accounts is rather conservative by nature) admits that homosexuality is not a sin in and of itself, and that it is impossible to change.

I believe the God is okay with my being gay. I prayed for weeks, just prayed and prayed and prayed for God to "make me straight". And then, at the end of it all, I just asked, "Is this what you want for me?" and all the sudden I felt so RIGHT.

I believe God loves me just the way I am. I believe that it's not a sin to be gay, nor is it a sin to have gay sex (I'll get to that part later, if anyone replies). And finally, I believe we're all being complete idiots and hypocrites, claiming that all sins are equal and then jumping on every mention of the word "homosexuality", even when it was just a side note in a much larger discussion that, ironically, has been discussed along with this; Hypocritical Christians. How are we better than Fred Phelps, or Hitler, Peter the Great, Nebuchanezzar? Aren't we ALL perfectly equal in the eyes of the Lord? Doesn't gossiping about a classmate hold us back just as much as murdering 6 million people?