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 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:12 am
Whether you call it civil union or marriage it's still joining, whether in the eyes of God or not.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:16 am
I'm very much for homosexual people being allowed to marry. I hate closed doors and I don't like organized religions (spirituality is very diffrent from religion, I've found.) From what I see it's mainly the backwards thinking people that protest it so. I see it as a diffrent version of the same thing as women getting the right to vote.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:42 pm
I'm not religious, and I'm not talking about it from a religious standpoint, I just think it's nonsense to say gays should be allowed to "marry"... look up the definition of the word yourselves. To me, it just smacks of insecurity to say that gay people should have exactly precisely the same word defining their unions - they're not straight people, and why should they want to be? They should be proud of who they are.
I guess it's a little like George Bush saying he wants to be King or something. It's a word with a similar meaning, but it's totally nonsense in the context of our society. I wish I could think of a better example, I know I'm not making my point clearly, but.. oh well. Maybe it's just a matter of semantics, but it bothers me nonetheless.
I'm with Chalda, though, in that I think the rights should be the same. As I said before.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:07 pm
disinfected I'm in favor of civil unions. I'm not homophobic. But I think the idea of gay "marriage" doesn't make sense - based on the definition of marriage. I think gays should have the same rights as straight people, but I think forcing the word marriage on it is silly. Although then again, it's just a word, and to avoid controversy over being politically correct I should probably just say "I don't care." Definition of marriage? Two lovers coming together in union.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:08 pm
disinfected I'm not religious, and I'm not talking about it from a religious standpoint, I just think it's nonsense to say gays should be allowed to "marry"... look up the definition of the word yourselves. To me, it just smacks of insecurity to say that gay people should have exactly precisely the same word defining their unions - they're not straight people, and why should they want to be? They should be proud of who they are. I guess it's a little like George Bush saying he wants to be King or something. It's a word with a similar meaning, but it's totally nonsense in the context of our society. I wish I could think of a better example, I know I'm not making my point clearly, but.. oh well. Maybe it's just a matter of semantics, but it bothers me nonetheless. I'm with Chalda, though, in that I think the rights should be the same. As I said before. There's nothing to be proud of! Sexuality should mean as little as hair color.
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:57 pm
As of a couple of days ago, same-sex marriage is now 100% legal in Canada!! biggrin
It's stuff like this that makes me so proud of my country. cool heart
Congrats to everyone who can now get married just like everyone else! 4laugh Go equality and equal rights for everyone!!
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:09 pm
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:12 pm
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:54 pm
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:25 pm
Leviticus can shove it I like the idea, but.. too complicated. I'll stick to my hippie ceremonies and handfasting and whatnot. Handfasting is actually a legalized form of marraige as far as I know. It may be a pagan ceremony but someone in a forum i belong to posted a link about handfasting when i requested it, and it stated that in most states if not all of the US, Handfasting is a recognized form of legalized marraige. I myself dont like conventional marraiges as Im not Protestant or Catholic. Im a solitary practicing witch basically, I dont mind calling myself that. My philosophies are a mix of Pictish, Celtic Druidism, Christian Gnosticism (far off from actual christian religions XD but follow -some- of the same things) and some Wicca even though I find it almost too young a philosophy to be worth condsidering, but Aleister Crowley was awesome.(Wicca has been pretty bastardized by modern society though, sorry if I offend anyone by saying so) But as far as the issue on homosexuals being allowed to marry, I am 100% for it. I think homosexuals (dont forget the bisexuals too cause im one of them XD) are all wonderful people no matter what most people think. The thing thats always bothered me is, two women are together and "oh thats ok, no one has a big problem with it" but if two men are together everyone is suddenly "omg you f** wtf is wrong with you" you know? It saddens me people are so narrow-minded they cant see past their own nose -_-; I also hate how most people use the excuse that since homosexual couples cant make babies naturally that oh they should be denied marraige. Or they use that excuse that its not right because a bunch of guys who wrote the bible a few thousand years ago said so. The bible is an outdated and poor excuse for denying homosexuals a right of marraige. I also hate how the Goverment is trying to short-change them by saying they can have a "Union" but they cant have all the benefits of marraige. Honestly, get it together people and get over whatever you have against homosexuals. Its time they started getting more recognition, less hate, and the right to be a legal couple just like everyone else because they are people like us, so what if they have a different sexual orientation. Ok, now Im done -whew- Im wondering who actually put up with reading all of that blaugh
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:10 am
Hm... Always a big topic for me. Most of the time it sickens me to see just how disgusting this world we live in can be. I can understand that foreign countries, ones not of democracy, are a lot harsher because of this. Countries that don't grant the same freedoms as other countries do. It's disgusting though that even in a country where you're granted freedoms that people will take away the freedoms of others just because of moral and/or personal opinions. Just to clarify, I don't think it's right what they're doing in other countries, I just think it's worst than in a country of freedoms that we still do this.
I think it's a lot like racial issues though. You have parades of civil rights, you have bashings, people treat others differently because of their preferences, you're not allowed in the army if you're homosexual. I think in some respects it's a lot like the racial issues that we used to have. However, you must realize that times were different back then and certain things were allowed that people would tolerate. I think in some respects it's just as bad as racial issues, it's just modernized to fit our time.
I had a very angry rant in my journal if you would like to read it. I don't know too much about the politics of the issue in America but the one thing that I heard was people were getting married because of financial reasons. Something such as they get certain things because they're a married couple. I don't know what that was. I didn't see anything wrong with it though. People marry all the time for different reasons and they're never questioned about it. Don't see why this should be different.
The major issue that I see in a lot of people is that they find the act disgusting, usually pertaining to two homosexual men. Usually in a situation like this you'll find that the person is very anti-homosexual but they'll watch two women going at it and get off to it all the time. There's not much logic in that except for the fact that they don't like male intimacy. Which is absolutely fine. I don't really see why someone's civil rights should be threatened because that person thinks male intimacy is disgusting. I don't think it should really be based on a personal opinion. If you think it's disgusting, that shouldn't matter. No one said you had to watch them having sex or anything. Their civil rights shouldn't be taken away because you find it disgusting.
I don't really see why so many people are blaming Bush for No Gay Marriages. Sure, he's the one that started it. But I'm pretty sure he had to have Congress pass the law. Which means that everyone voted on it. Which means that it's the American people that wanted it gone. So hypocritical to see all these people blame Bush and such, but it's them themselves who are voting it out.
A lot of the times it has to do with a religious issue. "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." Whoever made that saying, I honestly want to kill. (For government purposes, I don't actually want to kill them.) I don't really see how that works out. I don't really see how they can know the actual intentions of God and what actually happened back then. Plus, I don't see why homosexual sex between two men is so wrong. People have heterosexual a**l sex all the time. Maybe the purpose of an a**, was also to have sex? Therefore, there really shouldn't be anything wrong with it. I wouldn't know though, I don't know the intentions of God or whatever created us. We have it now, and it should be allowed. And once again, they're mostly targetting homosexual men, not women. Just to make a point.
It's been proven in the bible a numerous amount of times that people have missinterpretted what God said. The number one thing is that everyone was created equally. I don't really see how that works out then. I don't think anywhere in the Bible is it going to say, "Everyone was created equally, except homosexuals." Don't really see how that works out. But alright.
All men are created equal in the consituation, that's a lie. Obviously, it's not like that now and it probably never will be. We probably won't even come anywhere close in the near future, realistically.
Plus, if you go by what the bible says, Jesus died on the cross to save our sins. Therefore, if homosexuality is a sin that would only mean that it would constantly be forgiven because Jesus died on the cross.
And, if it really did come to be a religious issue, they should just ban it from churches until otherwise and let people get married in the state. This law has ruined people's lives and although America might be the most free place to live, it still disgusts me.
Not to mention that everyone I've went up against for homosexuality can't answer me. I have a very religious friend who's against it. He starts giving me crap about it, I get in his face about it. I answer all his questions, he can't answer mine. He eventually just leaves saying that he can't deal with me. So, clearly, it sounds like some religious people either are confused about the issue or don't have any idea of what they're talking about. I don't bash him or anything, I just merely ask questions.
I've yet to see one person give me one good, solid reason of why they're anti-gay. Which makes me wonder about things.
:Edit:
And a few more things. The total idea of being homophobic or bashing someone for their sexual preference is just stupid in itself. To be homophobic would mean that you're actually scared of someone liking men, which is funny to me considering that most people aren't afraid of them. Most people would rather just bash them in the head or something, which means it shouldn't be called homophobic. You're willing to bash someone down and treat them differently because their preferences is different than yours. Which is funny, considering that your preference is different than theirs. Does that mean they should bash you down for it? Does that mean they should ban heterosexual marriages? (Personally, I'd laugh if that happen. Although, it's not right since their civil rights would be violated)
Someone told me that a marriage was a sacred thing. At the time I told them in some respects it was bullshit. You have people going out getting drunk, getting married, and then getting a divorce the next day. I don't see how sacred that is. Now they I look back on it, I don't see why it can't be sacred with homosexuals either.
It's just saddening really to see relationships after so long break apart because of this. People have known each other thirty years but once they know that, they won't talk to them or anything. Despite the "fact" that nothing has changed in that person except now you know he prefers a different sex.
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:18 am
WOW, way to go ButterBalls! eek heart
It's 2:20 am here and I'm about to go crash on the couch, but I think I agree with just about everything you've said. I'm Canadian so our laws are a bit different, but other than that, I like what you said. mrgreen
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:37 pm
my friend is a homophobe. I'M NOT!!!!! I am totally for gay, bi, and lesbian marraige! not that i am bi, or a lesbian. i just don't see what the big deal is. if they love each other, y should it metter to anyone else?
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:43 am
It shouldn't matter. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:10 am
From my veiw of the world today, i think being gay (ect) should be aloud, you know? What ever floats your boat, lol. My friend is Gay, and he is happy as he could be, him and his bf say its better than being "straight" i think if your happy, then go for it.
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