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 Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:56 pm
Dust.And.Echoes. Mercution There is no lack of proof if people gave me time and would listen to me first with an open mind. People are really close minded on this guild. So much for tolerance.
There are so many words in the hebrew language that we can't translate into english because they don't exist anymore. So when you are reading your NIV bible or even your king james(who was one of the first kings of england, just fyi) There are made up words to compensate for what words they couldn't figure out. Not to mention the fact that in the times of genesis... and maybe some of the other books(if you go COMPLETLY by bibical standards and the christian creation theory) There was no written language. Everything was heresay. So if God did tell moses what to write, how do we know that moses wasn't just some looney guy like most people think Joseph Smith was. How do you know that the bible wasn't invented just to keep a control over the masses?
Can you honestly answer these? Can you go get the dead sea scrolls and translate them for me, and then carbon date them to make sure they are really from 2005 plus years?
I'm not denying the fact that your God is real, or christianity, I'm just stating the obvious facts that there is no way that the bible itself is real. not to mention edits over time. my dad says that, so i know where youre comin from there.
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 5:06 pm
Schildkrote Dust.And.Echoes. Mercution There is no lack of proof if people gave me time and would listen to me first with an open mind. People are really close minded on this guild. So much for tolerance.
There are so many words in the hebrew language that we can't translate into english because they don't exist anymore. So when you are reading your NIV bible or even your king james(who was one of the first kings of england, just fyi) There are made up words to compensate for what words they couldn't figure out. Not to mention the fact that in the times of genesis... and maybe some of the other books(if you go COMPLETLY by bibical standards and the christian creation theory) There was no written language. Everything was heresay. So if God did tell moses what to write, how do we know that moses wasn't just some looney guy like most people think Joseph Smith was. How do you know that the bible wasn't invented just to keep a control over the masses?
Can you honestly answer these? Can you go get the dead sea scrolls and translate them for me, and then carbon date them to make sure they are really from 2005 plus years?
I'm not denying the fact that your God is real, or christianity, I'm just stating the obvious facts that there is no way that the bible itself is real. not to mention edits over time. my dad says that, so i know where youre comin from there.
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:47 pm
well i know that a long time ago the now-Catholic church "Cannonize" a lot of texts as being spiritually true, that that became the Bible. everything else is called Gnostic Texts. the other letters and other gospels fall into this catagory. they aren't secret, you can find English translations on the internet.
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:02 pm
Jesus used one image of burning torment as an afterlife simile, and that was in the parable of Lazrus and the rich man.
otherwise he talked about "the outer darkeness where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth".
that image has always appealed to me, because it seems apt for a psychologically self-imposed state.
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:53 pm
What I wonder is what about the billions of people that died before Christianity was even a thought? I.E. the ancient Greeks and Babalonians.
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:48 pm
Klairete_Priest What I wonder is what about the billions of people that died before Christianity was even a thought? I.E. the ancient Greeks and Babalonians. You have to remember, there are many many other religions that don't branch off from christians. For instance, the greek gods, Wiccans, Druids, Barbaric religions, the old egyptions. I'm glad that you asked, but shocked that you couldn't think of them for yourself eek
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:08 pm
Eteponge There are several different words used for Hell in the New Testament. What did they call it in the Old Tesament?
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:17 pm
Mercution Schildkrote Mercution Schildkrote Mercution SyphaBelnades But even after the bible was written it was centuries before it was known around the world. What of those who were around after it was written, but before it was translated to their language? Also, should the bible be taken literally or metaphorically? Many people seem to disagree on how certain parts should be taken. Besides, how do I know that the bible is the word of God? What of the other religions? Can I really be blamed if I believe in a different religion? After all, they all seem to have about the same amount of credibility. If it wasn't God's word, God has quite enough power to change that. That fact it may be translated and interpreted differently is because of this fact: Every verse of the Bible contains more knowledge and wisdom than we can comprehend. God simply reveals to us what we need in our life during that time. personally, god aint had a hand in it since he spoke to moses. most of it was written by people, so you can't even rely on the dead sea scrolls(assuming you can lay hands on them). Oh ye of little faith. I'm sorry to say, but if you truely believe there is no God, not even a higher power, it slighlty foolish and i have more than the Bible to prove that. By the way, if God turned his back away from even a second, we would all die. You should be grateful he does that for you since all you do is beat him down. The only thing I've seen you post are unconstructive things that are snide and have no backing. Sorry if I sound rude but I feel you are being rude to me. never said i didnt think he's there. just not all powerful, and he didnt write the bible. even genesis was written by moses. got a King James downstairs to look up quotes, even. but also not all of it is literal. most isnt actually. True and I'm not bashing athiests. God didn't write the Bible, but the people who wrote it were being directly instructed by God. King James didn't write the Bible he just had it written in a special way for him or whatever. I don't even know who King James is. King James was the British King who first broke Britain away from the Catholic church because he wanted to divorce his wife and remarry another one, which, before that time was a sin according to the Bible. At the time it said like "Those who get divorced and remarried should be stoned to death." or something along those lines. But no, he just decided to make his own church. Pretty much Christian history. Aren't modern Bibles so reliable?
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:45 am
"Christian" is a very, very general term. neutral
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:46 am
[The.End] Ok I may not be christian but I know more about it than alot of christians, in the bible they talk about hell alot, but nobody knows that hell is just a simile, a parable if you will. He made hell seem like it is because way back they had a dump where they burned all of the rotting and dead stuff, kind of like a dump but not. Anyways he said that you could do terrible things all of your life but God will forgive you in the end, and when he forgives you you will come to heaven. But you will have to spend an eternity under God's shadow knowing that he forgave you even though you didn't deserve it, that he accepted you into heaven, a wonderouse place even though you were a terrible person. Jesus described this as being thrown into a pool of lava and burning for an eternity. A similar passage would be the one that talks about the book of life and the pool of fire, the actuall parable. Why do christians not know this? May I ask where the proof for this is? Because there is plenty of proof in the bible of Hell, but you are just saying you opinion. There is nothing wrong with that, but where did you here that it was just a parable?
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:48 am
Vaeschi Eteponge There are several different words used for Hell in the New Testament. What did they call it in the Old Tesament? Because it's older than the new testement XD
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:40 pm
What i don't understand is how Christians don't know about the Council of Nicaea,...I mean, im not even a Christian and I know about it...quite sad... sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:04 pm
Antron3001 What i don't understand is how Christians don't know about the Council of Nicaea,...I mean, im not even a Christian and I know about it...quite sad... sweatdrop I consider my self Christian and know about it, but then, I am LDS and one of our basic beliefs is "we believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly" in essence MUCH of what people take as "basics" from the Bible are man-made. It is important to find out what was actual being taught, before it was corrupted.
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:50 am
Kipluck Antron3001 What i don't understand is how Christians don't know about the Council of Nicaea,...I mean, im not even a Christian and I know about it...quite sad... sweatdrop I consider my self Christian and know about it, but then, I am LDS and one of our basic beliefs is "we believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly" in essence MUCH of what people take as "basics" from the Bible are man-made. It is important to find out what was actual being taught, before it was corrupted. Actually, the bible has not been corrupted over time. There is the Old Testament, which boths the Jewish and Christian *and some of the Islam* religion use, and that is much older than the N.T. We can note that the O.T. has not been corrupted due to the fact that 2 *and sometimes 3* religions use the O.T. and, it is all basically the same. Now, with the N.T. there is plenty of proof that it has not been corrupted over time. Have you ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls? They are scrolls which contain the ENTIRE N.T. exculding, I think, 11 verses which are mostly found in the Book of John *I think it's John.* And, when the time the N.T. was wrote down, it would have had to be written PERFECTLY because custom's back then was that if you made a mistake, the entire project had to be burned, and you would have to start all over again. There is the proof the bible has not been corrupted over time~
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