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Hey! I'm no stranger there Zadkiel! scream xd xd

I've heard that theory before, I'm not quite sure I believe in it, but after watching the butterfly effect, I'm not so sure now. Mabey every little thing you do really does affect one person for the rest of their lives...*ponders* But is it fate..or freewill that the butterfly flapped its wings in Japan and cause a hurricane over here?

It's a combination of both . . . if you don't get off your butt your destiny can never happen. domokun

I believe in a combination of free-will and fate. Everything is layed out with one end and many rodes branching form each other. For instance I will get to the end of the day, that is unavoidable and fate decision but there are choices I make which I make on my own. Just because I eat ham or chicken for lunch makes no difference on the end. Just like I'll die but I can choose to leave that to fate or I can kill myself. So It's a mix between both.. Kinda hard to explain but. You understand right?

Has anyone ever had a de ja vouis? (I'm not sure if that's how it's spelt. Sounds like day-zjar-voo)

It happens a lot to me, I'll dream of something, something really insignificant like walking down a corridor or eating something. And in the dream I'll be feeling surprised and awkward and frustrated at something. Then when I wake up, because of the utter insignificance of it, I forget about it. And then later on in my life (there's been up to seven years in between) the exact movements will occur just like how I remember them. I'll be feeling surprised because it's happening, awkward because I can't get out of it and frustrated because it's so short and so insignificant that I can't really prove it.

One's happened when it wasn't a 'preminition'. It was a weird one, you know, with poodles and sweet shop stalls and everything anyway, I was at primary school at the time, and I dreamed that I had detention. I was in a hall I didn't know, with a girl I didn't know, and I was being supervised by three teachers I didn't know. Then this magical door opened up and we ran into the poodle... but that's irrelevant.
What I'm trying to say is that when I started secondary school; a place I had never been before; the sports hall was where I had my detention, the teachers were the PE teachers, and the girl was/is my very good friend Kim!


These are the things that make me believe in destiny. But reading these threads have made me wonder, would it be accurate to say that I was seeing into the future, or tapping into destiny.

I've had De ja vu's before. There was one time I had a dream where I said something and someone was going to get really upset with me and cry.

No more than three days later I was talking to that person that was in my dream. Everything was going exactly according to the dream. I had this really weird feeling that she was going to cry soon if I said this so I deliberately didn't say it to see what would happen. It was the weirdest feeling. It was like I was being yanked, or tugged, like that shouldn't have happened and I messed the balance of things up.

But she went home happy, I went home feeling really odd. But..since then I haven't really believed in destiny or fate that much if I knew I could alter it any way that I wished to.

Wow, I thought this was about dead!

Maybe the dream was a warning, maybe you were supposed to have the dream so that you could "decide" not to yell at the girl, and let her go home happy, maybe thats what you were supposed to do.

Anyway, I now have no idea where I stand on this issue, up until recently I would use my "well, we die no matter what we do" rebuttal. Now, I have come to question this whole dieing thing. Maybe we are able to be immortal, its just that dieing has been so imbedded into our heads that it has become part of the subconcious. Maybe someone could find a way to live forever. Whose to say that we can't? Maybe if someone truely wanted to live forever they could; I now think that we accept dieing as inevitable, and that we do eventually get tired of life. I don't think I would want to live forever, but maybe a good 400-600yrs would be fun.

Maybe it was because they were disillusioned. Some people get out of the death sentance that way, by claiming they're insane. Then they get sent to a medical thingy. Actually being insane helps this plea.

Okay, I may be repeating someone else's ideas here, but I didn't feel like reading all three bloody pages.

First, we consider the theory that our personality is determined by two things, both of which are beyond our control: genetics, and our "environment," i.e. the people we meet, the places we live, the things that happen to us.

Second, we consider that we all act according to our personalities. For instance, I know that I'm not going to suddenly jump up and start reciting conservative beliefs and forcing them on everyone here, because that's not who I am. Because, as we see in paragraph two, I wasn't brought up that way. I was always taught to be tolerant of others' beliefs. That's why I joined this guild.

Third, we consider that the things that happen to us are the consequences of our actions individually as well as as a people.

Add this to the standard, "All men are created equal" (courtesy of John Locke and Thomas Hobbes), and you understand that the creator made us the way we are.

So if the creator made us the way we are, and we are just the result of our programming, then we certainly were meant to believe we have free will, but in fact, I don't believe we do. But since we were meant to believe we do, it only makes sense to go on as if we didn't question it, because if we don't, we'll be stuck at the snack counter, not knowing whether or not we should get the snickers bar because we're too busy wondering if we're the ones choosing it or not.

Some things weren't meant to be pondered because they can interfere with living life. It's best to go on as if we have free will, regardless of whether or not we do.