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 Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:47 pm
Lethkhar Och, sorry. I confused Christianity with Islam. sweatdrop Angels don't have free will in Islam. So tell me, why couldn't God stop the snake, even with free will? I mean, He doesn't seem to have too much trouble divinely intervening in other cases throughout the Bible. Oh, He very well could have. He just didn't.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:13 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar Och, sorry. I confused Christianity with Islam. sweatdrop Angels don't have free will in Islam. So tell me, why couldn't God stop the snake, even with free will? I mean, He doesn't seem to have too much trouble divinely intervening in other cases throughout the Bible. Oh, He very well could have. He just didn't. Why not? Would He prefer humans leave the Garden of Eden and suffer?
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:17 pm
Lethkhar Why not? Would He prefer humans leave the Garden of Eden and suffer? Well, I can't exactly speak for God (being imperfect and all), but I'd guess that it had something to do with infringement (or lack-thereof) upon free will.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:23 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar Why not? Would He prefer humans leave the Garden of Eden and suffer? Well, I can't exactly speak for God (being imperfect and all), but I'd guess that it had something to do with infringement (or lack-thereof) upon free will. We've already gone over this. God didn't seem to have a problem with that throughout the rest of the OT.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:30 pm
Lethkhar We've already gone over this. God didn't seem to have a problem with that throughout the rest of the OT. God doesn't mess with free will. Natural laws? Maybe. Politics? Yes.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:40 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar We've already gone over this. God didn't seem to have a problem with that throughout the rest of the OT. God doesn't mess with free will. Natural laws? Maybe. Politics? Yes. What about God forbidding anyone to look back at Sodom and Gemorrah? Those weren't "natural laws". Besides, natural laws themselves impose upon our free will.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:00 pm
Eve took the fruit and gave it to Adam, I think Adam took the fruit so he could stay with Eve. If there were only two people on the planet they would want to be together. I think the whole senareo was for god to see if the attraction between man and woman was strong enough for them to stay together.
Sound strange i know but,oh well.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:18 pm
Okay, I do believe in free will. I don't think God just wants a bunch of puppets, that doesn't seem right. But I do believe in fate.
Actually, my beliefs are basically summed on from this passage in Moby d**k XD Ishmael is weaving this thing where some of the strings are already laid out and he feels another string back and forth between these strings. The strings laid out represent destiny, and the string he weaves represents free will. Then chance plays in everytime he smooshes the strings closer together with his hands. It's an EXCELLENT analogy so um... go read Moby d**k XD
And how do natural laws impose on free will I don't really understand what you mean by that.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:19 pm
Dagger_17 Eve took the fruit and gave it to Adam, I think Adam took the fruit so he could stay with Eve. If there were only two people on the planet they would want to be together. I think the whole senareo was for god to see if the attraction between man and woman was strong enough for them to stay together. Sound strange i know but,oh well. Is that why He punished them for it?
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:19 pm
Lethkhar Dagger_17 Eve took the fruit and gave it to Adam, I think Adam took the fruit so he could stay with Eve. If there were only two people on the planet they would want to be together. I think the whole senareo was for god to see if the attraction between man and woman was strong enough for them to stay together. Sound strange i know but,oh well. Is that why He punished them for it? He punished them because they delibertly disobeyed him.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:25 pm
Lethkhar What about God forbidding anyone to look back at Sodom and Gemorrah? Those weren't "natural laws". Besides, natural laws themselves impose upon our free will. Notice that Lot's wife looked back at the cities, meaning that she was quite capable of looking back, it's just thaty God said that she shouldn't.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:27 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar What about God forbidding anyone to look back at Sodom and Gemorrah? Those weren't "natural laws". Besides, natural laws themselves impose upon our free will. Notice that Lot's wife looked back at the cities, meaning that she was quite capable of looking back, it's just thaty God said that she shouldn't. So if we have free will, how can God have a master plan without imposing on our free will?
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:15 am
Lethkhar Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar What about God forbidding anyone to look back at Sodom and Gemorrah? Those weren't "natural laws". Besides, natural laws themselves impose upon our free will. Notice that Lot's wife looked back at the cities, meaning that she was quite capable of looking back, it's just thaty God said that she shouldn't. So if we have free will, how can God have a master plan without imposing on our free will?
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:13 pm
Lethkhar So if we have free will, how can God have a master plan without imposing on our free will? Because God's master plan doesn't dictate what we are going to do, it tells us what we have already done. Since, you see, God is trans-temporal (and, by proxy, omni-temporal) so, to God, all things are happening, have happened, and will happen at the exact same moment.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:22 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Lethkhar Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar What about God forbidding anyone to look back at Sodom and Gemorrah? Those weren't "natural laws". Besides, natural laws themselves impose upon our free will. Notice that Lot's wife looked back at the cities, meaning that she was quite capable of looking back, it's just thaty God said that she shouldn't. So if we have free will, how can God have a master plan without imposing on our free will? So people lose their individuality and free will once they're "saved"?
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