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 Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:16 pm
If anyone watched Last Order, the Zach focused spinoff that revisited what happend in Niblehiem, the part where Sephiroth and Cloud fight. Sephiroth poses the same question, where his strength is coming from, and Cloud's eyes glow with the blue green color of mako exposure. Sephiroth seems to get it but leaves it vauge, and dies-but doesn't die. I think, is a thinly supported way, Cloud's will to stop Sephiroth tapped into the will of the planet. Since mako is the planet's lifeforce, so it powered him up to take on Sephiroth that time. Advent focuses on the power of the planet's memory, there's no reason the planet shouldn't help Cloud out...again.
does that make sense?
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:18 pm
SleepingEn If anyone watched Last Order, the Zach focused spinoff that revisited what happend in Niblehiem, the part where Sephiroth and Cloud fight. Sephiroth poses the same question, where his strength is coming from, and Cloud's eyes glow with the blue green color of mako exposure. Sephiroth seems to get it but leaves it vauge, and dies-but doesn't die. I think, is a thinly supported way, Cloud's will to stop Sephiroth tapped into the will of the planet. Since mako is the planet's lifeforce, so it powered him up to take on Sephiroth that time. Advent focuses on the power of the planet's memory, there's no reason the planet shouldn't help Cloud out...again. does that make sense?
Anywho, I think this whole topic is a little silly. If Sephiroth was supposed to win, he would've won, but that's not how it was written. Cloud wins everytime not because he's stronger brawn-wise, but stronger will-wise. He has a far greater impetus than Sephiroth. Seph just wants to rule the world, while Cloud wants to save it. If you're fighting for the greater good, victory is yours. That's why Cloud lived through getting stabbed in the chest, mako-infused cells aside.
Ha! And again, ha!
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:53 pm
I'm being laughed out by a guy with his face ina book and a gaint rain cloud over his head....this verges on offensive. Okay I went a little deep but I was looking for a new angle rather than repeating the same obstinant, cloud wins or coudl sux attittude.
So in thoery, if my will is to kick some but, maybe yours, for the sake of the world, and you don't want me to for the sake of yourself, i would win becuase I have more people invested inthe sucess of my will? smile
-don't worry, i wont kick your butt, but it was a fun anology razz
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:09 pm
ninja ok my opinion is that cloud would have been pwned with out the help of the rest of team. but i support Sephiroth all the way ninja
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:15 am
I agree with soadshuyin.
Sephiroth deserved to die. Especially after what he did to Aries. Hope he burns in hell.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:25 pm
So many narrow minded people. I'll say it again since so few are actually trying to look at different angles and then get upset when someone does. Isn't that the point? Quote: Most people have many misconceptions about him, either because they are too biased against him for "needlessly slaughtering Aerith" or for trying to kill Cloud. And no, his story is not done. He died what, three times? If one considers the incident in the reactor, and the way he was "dormant" inside crystallized mako at the Northern Crater, that's one. Two is at the end of FFVII. The battle was beyond easy and I thought it was a rip off. I'm still getting my a** handed to me by the WEAPONS. That's twice already in one game. And no, the thing you chase after is NOT Sephiroth. It's Jenova. JENOVA. Get it straight. Jenova mysteriously disappears from Hojo's lab. You follow the TRAIL OF BLOOD "she" leaves behind. You see JENOVA, in the form of Sephiroth, kill the President ShinRa. Then you proceed to follow this "newly resurrected Sephiroth" for the rest of the game. It's Jenova. Not Sephiroth, who was at the Northern Crater encased in mako the whole time. The third time is in Advent Children. And that still royally irks me. Cloud was practically dead from fighting Loz and Yazoo, obvious in the scene where he stops in the ruins to get his sword together. Then he faces Kadaj. And I would have to hazard a guess that it would have been a pretty easy fight considering the fight scene in the Lost Capital and the Sleeping Forest. And after that, he has to deal with Sephiroth, who again, nearly kills him with no effort whatsoever. None. Nada. It didn't matter how much skill Cloud gained, a little time in the Lifestream works wonders. Which.... Wasn't that his original goal? To become one with the Planet and absorb its knowledge...? Tsk. Pity everyone forgets that little piece of information. But... Honestly. One limit break? I don't care how spectacular it is. You don't go from not a single scratch to dead. Cloud isn't that powerful. He couldn't even lay a finger on Sephiroth, not to mention the beautiful artistic way he randomly swings his sword in hopes of hitting something - preferably something in black leather with silver hair. I could go much deeper into all of it, but why bother? I doubt anyone is even going to read all of what I wrote, if anyone does at all. Cloud doesn't have the talent. And I don't know where he gets off being the "good guy". So much is based on perception. Let's take a look at what Sephiroth's goals actually were. He doesn't want to "rule the Planet". He wants to purify it. Major difference. Why does he want to purify it? Because the humans have ruined their paradise - their Promised Land - and turned it into a waste of a Planet that is hardly alive. A place that they don't respect or care for. In doing so he wants to give the Planet back to Jenova. Jenova did go there for a reason; to purify the Planet before the Cetra made the mistake of letting the humans run free to destroy the place they worked so hard to cultivate. In order to do this, he wants to merge with the Lifestream - the Planet, in other words. To gain that knowledge. And preserve it. Yes, that would have been Jenova by my own words - but Jenova and Sephiroth are connected in ways... not even begun to be explained. Life exists, life goes on. Human or not. Look at our own Planet. I can easily see where his point of view comes from. .... I don't really know what else to say. I could go on, but it seems no one will care or notice or agree or even dispute without flat out saying "that's not how it was written". That being said, I'd like to thank Sleeping En for having an open enough mind to consider looking at it all from another perspective. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I'm glad they took the time to try and look at it from a different stand point.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:32 pm
I know what I forgot to mention. Everyone keeps saying that Jenova is obliterated. Advent Children was made possible thanks to Jenova, but in fact had very little to do with the movie, whilst having everything to do with it. What about all those cells that were scattered everywhere? From Rufus shooting the container, to the bike chase, to the scene in the church, to the fight with Cloud, even up until Kadaj discarded the container.
Just because Sephiroth left, does not mean that Jenova was "defeated" or "obliterated". Unless the only thing against that is Aerith's limit break from the Lifestream. Sephiroth's Remnants weren't whole. Sephiroth was only whole with Jenova. Jenova... Didn't need them at all. If Jenova could stand up to many Cetra, what is one half Cetra going to do that could possibly destroy "her"?
Aerith isn't that special unless you count her as the "last of her race", which I would personally attribute to her mother, Ilfana.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:02 pm
keep in mind that Cloud never even made 1st class. He was fibbing the whole game to be more like Zack. This is confirmed when Cloud goes to Niblehiem and isn't wearing the 1st outfit but rather a soldier uniform in the flashback as Sephiroth explains it. He couldn't have possibly killed Sephiroth. and you never actually see Sephiroth die so it is argued that he isn't dead. but from a real world stand point, I think that Square is finished with FF7 and won't release any more FF7 games other than the highly debated FF7 remake for the PS3. So in other words we have to infer that he's dead.
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:37 pm
While Spehiroth is basically a demi-god, Cloud has the emotions and powers of all his friends behind (Yes, I know how cheesy that sounds, but it's true). In the FFVIIAC battle, everyone had degraded from their previous fight (In the game), except Cloud. Also, Kadaj is much weaker that Sephiroth, so I doubt he could stay in that form for long. Still, they could have made it harder for Cloud to beat Sephiroth in the movie...
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:13 pm
 No offense, but I think that people who wanted Sephiroth to win are kinda just fanboys... confused
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:17 am
i say cloud shouldve lost only because i hate cloud o3o
many may disagree with me but i have to say i luff zack and i blame cloud for zack dieing even though he cloudnt do anything but i have to say that its ironic how cloud could move AFTER zack was almost dead
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:26 pm
If Sephiroth didn't get all cocky, then he would have won. However, because he got cocky he lost.
I'm pretty sure Nomura has stated several times that Sephiroth is the most powerful character in the FFVII universe.
Now, I don't really care who won in the end, but I guess it's fun to speculate. neutral
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