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 Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:54 am
Devvo Our senses aren't the thing that connect us to the world around us. It's our mind. Our minds are the ones that interpret the senses data. Like while we're sleeping our eyes are shut. We're touching our pillows. We're smelling our own rooms. So in our dreams the only thing we're smelling is something our mind has made? Our minds, as you say, are but an organ trapped up inside the head. Without the senses, the mind can't do anything at all; which is why these senses are what connect us to the world. Would you still say that someone who can't feel anything, can't see anything, can't taste anything, say anything or hear anything is really still connected to the world? I wouldn't ... And in dreams, what you're experiancing is this same "information" you're constantly recieving in "real life"; it's never just as simple as something your mind created.
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:08 am
Eysce The point that you make in your questions is the same point that I've been making [or trying to!] You've basically paraphrased all my main points~ Not exactly. My point is that what we gather through the senses is not real and that reality is unattainable. You, converseley, have made several references to being able to accquire information in the real world.
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:36 pm
Eysce Our minds, as you say, are but an organ trapped up inside the head. Without the senses, the mind can't do anything at all; which is why these senses are what connect us to the world. Would you still say that someone who can't feel anything, can't see anything, can't taste anything, say anything or hear anything is really still connected to the world? I wouldn't ... And in dreams, what you're experiancing is this same "information" you're constantly recieving in "real life"; it's never just as simple as something your mind created. I didn't know our minds were the organ, I thought that was our brain.
Although someone who is deaf, dumb and blind ect isn't really connected to the world in sense... we don't know that a person who can do all of those things is actually connected to the world when we can never trust our senses completely.
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:13 pm
Corduroy Magician But as for us not being real... to US... it's all real, and that's what's important.
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:41 pm
This is one of those things that you could argue over for all of eternity, and you still wouldn't come to one solid answer.
The person who said that we're living in someone else's story; that was very interesting. Made me think about the possibility.
This is actually a topic I've thought of numerous times before. Sometimes, "reality" doesn't seem so "real." In fact, sometimes my dreams seem more real. However, everyone's reality is different. The way I see the world out of my eyes differs from the way you do.
So in all conclusion, this is something that has no real answer. There's just too many possibility and too little evidence to support them.
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:40 pm
It's kinda like Vivi's phiosophy in FFIX "How do I know I exsist? Maybe I don't Exist?"
If you dont play FFIX Vivi is an artificial life form called a black mage. souless and mindless, but some of them become "aware" of the world. So can a lifeform made with no emotions, mind or soul and was made to never get them, have real emotions? or is it justcreated when they become aware?
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:25 pm
Well I have always thought of this as a young child... but not so much these days. Its a very interesting concept though. Would of, we are in fact in a dream and none of us ever die - we just wake up and live our true lives... which is what happens in a dream doesn't it? Except you don't have to die to end a dream... well, sometimes I do. But I have never died in a dream. Maybe there is a reason for that. Once I have left a dream I cannot re-enter it. Much like real life wouldn't you say? Once you die you can't come back and explain it... maybe there's a reason for that too...
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:41 pm
Corduroy Magician What if... we are all works of literay fiction. That every time someone picks up a pen and starts a story, they're creating another dimension with their imagination. We're living someone else's story, and there's someone living each of ours. The annoying thing about this theory, is that they've just recently made a movie of it... and I've had the idea for years. But as for us not being real... to US... it's all real, and that's what's important.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:02 pm
It can't really fall under the idea of Science or even practicality, because we can't know that they don't exist, because we could have just had our memories wiped. For instance, 5 seconds ago, I could have just seen a portal to Universe 34XQear open and 500 alien monsters pop out, but they wiped my mind. Of course, i'll never know whether or not somebody has wiped my mind, or is making me believe this is all real. It's the fundamenatl of all conspriacy theories.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:39 pm
Wow.
The thought of it has never crossed my mind entirely!
Perhaps we are indeed, in a dreamlike state when we are born. But if we are in a dream, would we be dreaming inside a dream? I've never managed to feel any pain in dreams. I've felt alot of emotions, like crying, sadness, happiness and confusion. But if I managed to get hurt in the dream, I wouldn't feel my frayed nerves. I've also felt alot of paranoia. If something were to happen in my dream that turned out bad or good, then I would be alert and tense for the whole day or week on a lookout for that thing or event to happen. I guess I'll have to think about it more.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:40 am
The bast answer anyone can give you is, "I don't know". Nobody really knows if we are "real" or not.
But for me, I'm "real" in my mind, and, as long as I'm here, I'll live until I die.
Also, a illusion can possibly kill you.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:42 pm
This has been said already, but as i see it, we are real to ourselves and everyone and thing around us, which is all that really matters. If we get hurt, we feel pain, we have thoughts and opinions, and interact with everything. Even if we were part of some other reality or anything, it doesnt effect us as far as we know. So my answer is, yes , we are real.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:51 pm
Of course we are real! If we weren't, then how could we be concious of this dream? How could we be aware that we are here?
If we are somehow dreaming though, then everything simply is a dream, and that is what is real!
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:23 pm
We are real; we touch, taste, smell, hear, see. Sure, that's all crap interpretted by our brains but our brains doing the interpretting is real.
Even if it's a matrix kind of thing, and our reality isn't real, we still have to have physical bodies to exist.
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:10 pm
I think it's a valid point. I think it might have something to do with deja vu and the odd occurences in the world:
Ghosts, aliens, abductions, impossible structures. Etc.
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