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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:02 pm
I forgot your mentioning of Tifa leading the group in Cloud's absence. I can easily relate this to Tifa's emotional dependency on Cloud but I don't want to rant again. So I'll say this.... Cloud is less stable than Tifa... He's able to lead from the beginning.
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:03 pm
I thought i poste already here, but i can't find it so I'll say it over again. I think this couple works really well to me, just like cleris does to me. I think that they would be good for balnacing each other. I don't really like Tifa but I wish her happiness and this would a great source of happiness for her, I think.
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:38 am
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:08 pm
Amylin Not really... brave yes... but Tifa starting a bar and joining a resistance group because of her past does not prove her to be strong.... in fact as you play through the game it proves quite the opposite. When people are confronted with things that make them weak (fears, trauma, sadness, etc) and they don't deal with these things a number of things occur. Some people only do one or two... Tifa does four; avoidance, regression, anger displacement, and repression. I'll start with regression... regression is when someone is faced with a weakness (that's the term I'll use) or something that maybe associated with such a person will revert to a child-like state. Tifa is not an extreme in this case, but she does regress. That comes from her emotional dependency on Cloud(which is a contributing factor to her break downs). "Cloud will save me." "Cloud is here so everything will be all right." "Cloud, what will we do?" "Cloud, you're so brave." These are all actual Tifa quotes... clear sign of dependency regression; or damsel symdrome. Just as Aeris is a sort of physical damsel; Tifa is an emotional damsel. When Cloud was present she emotionally depended on him almost as if he were a father. This is very common when women suffer trauma regarding their fathers in childhood as Tifa did. However, in Cloud's absense Tifa would practice repression... otherwise know as bottling it up. Tifa suffered two different stages of repression; masking and convenient memory. This is what lead to a lot of Tifa bashers labeling Tifa a liar. Masking is when a person hides their feelings... generally these people will put on happy faces or faces they think will lead to acceptance. They also will try taking on the problems of others as means of feeling better about their own weakness. Her case of convenient memory relates to her childhood with Cloud. Before her breakdown, Tifa consantly talked of her a Cloud being close childhood friends. She didn't lie because she in a sense forced herself to believe this to suit her emotional dependency on Cloud. Again this can and, in Tifa's case, did contribute to breakdowns. And Tifa's repression at the beginning leads to avoidance... many times to avoid weaknesses or thoughts there of people will take on a project. This allows subjects to disconnect from the weakness. A sort of, "If I ignore it it will go away." Running a business is a very good way to do this. Unfortunately, with Tifa's case, since she associated ShinRa with her weaknesses; this lead to aggression. Displaced anger from Sephiroth to ShinRa and further displaced to the reactors. I'm not saying Tifa wasn't against the reactors.... they were part of her association. She more than likely felt on a subconscious level that destroying the reactors was hurt Sephiroth some how. This act of her joining this resistance group also accounts for her and Barret's emotional weakness... or disturbance would be more accurate. Attacking the reactors as much as we all (including myself) hate to admit it... are terrorist acts. Terrorist attacks both involve both enemy and a 3rd party... many excuse the third party as a nessicary sacrifice, claim it so be part of the problem, or ignore it all together. The third option is what happened in FF7. IF the attacks are examined objectively it is a testiment to the mental and emotional stablity of the group. neutral Tifa is a great person and character... faults and all. But excusing faults or ignoring never help the situation. At least she is more stable than Cloud. Hmm, what you say is true......Yeah, I can see where you're going. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:09 pm
Amylin I forgot your mentioning of Tifa leading the group in Cloud's absence. I can easily relate this to Tifa's emotional dependency on Cloud but I don't want to rant again. So I'll say this.... Cloud is less stable than Tifa... He's able to lead from the beginning. I can...sort of see that....but it's a little in the middle in my opinion.
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:02 pm
But enough of this... back to the subject in hand. TifaxZack... awesome coupling!
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:55 pm
ya back to good ol fack! or zati? tiza? tick? lol I dont exactly remember when I started liking this couple I think it was after I read nana in shojo beat magazine I thought ren looked alot like zack and then I started comparing all the nana characters to final fantasy characters and it was alot of fun but anyways in nana, ren is with nana o. so when I compared it to ffvii, tifa reminded me of her mostly of looks I guess because nana and tifa are completly different but thats aside from the point, and I thought about zack and tifa and I researched you could say and I really loved it! atfirst I thought it would just be a cute pairing looks wise but as I read into into its actually very plausable and they would make such a great couple lastly I'm not a big fan of tifa but if she was with zack I could see myself liking her more, err maybe not her only, but her with zack :]
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:40 pm
"lastly I'm not a big fan of tifa but if she was with zack I could see myself liking her more" That last statement makes me very sad pink. It's statements like that make people think this couple was only invented to by Cleris supporters to simply give Tifa the "back up Cloud" ::shutters:: I hate it when Zack is thought of that way. But if you don't like Tifa I guess it can't be helped.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:14 pm
Amylin "lastly I'm not a big fan of tifa but if she was with zack I could see myself liking her more" That last statement makes me very sad pink. It's statements like that make people think this couple was only invented to by Cleris supporters to simply give Tifa the "back up Cloud" ::shutters:: I hate it when Zack is thought of that way. But if you don't like Tifa I guess it can't be helped. I agree! I'm glad you're open minded Amylin. blaugh
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:54 pm
Twindream Amylin "lastly I'm not a big fan of tifa but if she was with zack I could see myself liking her more" That last statement makes me very sad pink. It's statements like that make people think this couple was only invented to by Cleris supporters to simply give Tifa the "back up Cloud" ::shutters:: I hate it when Zack is thought of that way. But if you don't like Tifa I guess it can't be helped. I agree! I'm glad you're open minded Amylin. blaugh It took a while, but Amylin has finally seen that Pink just hates Tifa for no reason. Thats why this thread was created. To stick Tifa where she could do no harm to her precious ClAeris pairing. No other thread started with an interpretation of a specific coupling, then went right after that, in the same post, into why Tifa wouldnt work with Cloud and why Aeris wouldnt work with Zack and why Cloud and Aeris pwn the s**t out of Cloud and Tifa.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:41 pm
soadshuyin Twindream Amylin "lastly I'm not a big fan of tifa but if she was with zack I could see myself liking her more" That last statement makes me very sad pink. It's statements like that make people think this couple was only invented to by Cleris supporters to simply give Tifa the "back up Cloud" ::shutters:: I hate it when Zack is thought of that way. But if you don't like Tifa I guess it can't be helped. I agree! I'm glad you're open minded Amylin. blaugh It took a while, but Amylin has finally seen that Pink just hates Tifa for no reason. Thats why this thread was created. To stick Tifa where she could do no harm to her precious ClAeris pairing. No other thread started with an interpretation of a specific coupling, then went right after that, in the same post, into why Tifa wouldnt work with Cloud and why Aeris wouldnt work with Zack and why Cloud and Aeris pwn the s**t out of Cloud and Tifa. You know the song "When You're Mad," by Ne-Yo is coming to mind. If you haven't heard it, it's a love song, and there is a line that says "I'm sorry, but seeing you mad is so sexy." Forget I said anything... But, anyway, it's kinda sad. I've always said to myself, "Never support a couple by downing on another." Sadly enough, she does this here. If she didn't, then the argument would be somewhat better. *sigh* And, unlike AeriSeph, I don't stick Aeris with Sephiroth just because she "needs to be with someone and this way, she gets out of Cloud and Tifa's relationship." AT FIRST, I was like that, but later on, I saw the brighter side of it and am now one of the biggest supporters of AeriSeph on this guild, and possibly this site. One note I'd like to disagree with you, Shuyin-Kun, is that, there IS another thread that downs on CloTi to make their pairing look better. Know what it is? It's the VinTif thread... I'm not downing on VinTif, just saying that in the same post, the creator says why VinTif is SO great, and CloTi can never work and why Tifa should just dump Cloud and get with Vincent. *sigh* That's sad... Great couplings, but they have to resort to downing on CloTi to make their couple look better.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:00 pm
Honestly... I don't see the VinTifa pairing as logical myself. And my reasonings would more than likely piss off Vincent fans... so I avoid the thread. They looking cute together... but otherwise. It really does feel like sometimes I'm the only person who likes ZackxTifa for the right reasons. Clifa are cute... but Fack is my favorite pairing. I think these two could really benefit more from eachother in a romantic relationship than anyone else.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:29 pm
soadshuyin It took a while, but Amylin has finally seen that Pink just hates Tifa for no reason. Thats why this thread was created. To stick Tifa where she could do no harm to her precious ClAeris pairing. No other thread started with an interpretation of a specific coupling, then went right after that, in the same post, into why Tifa wouldnt work with Cloud and why Aeris wouldnt work with Zack and why Cloud and Aeris pwn the s**t out of Cloud and Tifa. That I can defend pink for in one state as an avid fan of this pairing. (If I had a scanner I'd post my Fack fanart) This pairing is generally not liked by fans. Every shrine/forum/etc I have ever found to this pairing usually is filled with nothing but flamers stating, "Shut up! Clifa end up together!" "Zack is dead!" "It's Zack and Aeris!" "It's Cloud and Tifa!" as well as Clifa bashing this pairing rarely with any other ammunication other than how perfect Cloud and Tifa are together. Now there are plenty of Clifa that do not do this. Unfortunately... these fans do not typically post on the shrines/etc. This is likewise with Aeck fans. So this eventually leads to the break down of counter pairings before explanation of such pairing can be established. So it can really be taken as a precautionary. (Mind this can be done with any pairing.) Fack sadly has a very thin line of defense... building the wall before some people get there is usually seen as a good way to strengthen it. It leaves a bad name but... so does accusations that someone only likes something because it counters something else they like. I simply pointed out to pink that her statement can leave a bad impression... I did not state that was what she really felt... just the impression she was leaving. I'm not pink and pink is not a fictional character; thus I can not say what her objectives are. Only note to her what undertones she leaves behind.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:05 pm
Amylin soadshuyin It took a while, but Amylin has finally seen that Pink just hates Tifa for no reason. Thats why this thread was created. To stick Tifa where she could do no harm to her precious ClAeris pairing. No other thread started with an interpretation of a specific coupling, then went right after that, in the same post, into why Tifa wouldnt work with Cloud and why Aeris wouldnt work with Zack and why Cloud and Aeris pwn the s**t out of Cloud and Tifa. That I can defend pink for in one state as an avid fan of this pairing. (If I had a scanner I'd post my Fack fanart) This pairing is generally not liked by fans. Every shrine/forum/etc I have ever found to this pairing usually is filled with nothing but flamers stating, "Shut up! Clifa end up together!" "Zack is dead!" "It's Zack and Aeris!" "It's Cloud and Tifa!" as well as Clifa bashing this pairing rarely with any other ammunication other than how perfect Cloud and Tifa are together. Now there are plenty of Clifa that do not do this. Unfortunately... these fans do not typically post on the shrines/etc. This is likewise with Aeck fans. So this eventually leads to the break down of counter pairings before explanation of such pairing can be established. So it can really be taken as a precautionary. (Mind this can be done with any pairing.) Fack sadly has a very thin line of defense... building the wall before some people get there is usually seen as a good way to strengthen it. It leaves a bad name but... so does accusations that someone only likes something because it counters something else they like. I simply pointed out to pink that her statement can leave a bad impression... I did not state that was what she really felt... just the impression she was leaving. I'm not pink and pink is not a fictional character; thus I can not say what her objectives are. Only note to her what undertones she leaves behind. How long have you been around Pink? Hmmm. Ive been watchin her post since she joined this guild, and its all been in support of Claeris and that is it. Read back in the original thread of this subforum which is the, Who Did Cloud Really Like, thread and youll see that she did everything she could to push Claeris upon the thread. There are blatent examples of the pairings of CloTi and ClAeris in the game. Id never met anyone that didnt accept that more than Pink. Plus, the opening post of this thread, as I said, is the ONLY one to point out couples that should have no bearing on this fan couple. If she supported it on just a fan basis, she wouldnt go out of her way to say WHY others WONT work at all. She doesnt even leave room for possibility that it could not go her way.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:40 pm
soadshuyin Amylin soadshuyin It took a while, but Amylin has finally seen that Pink just hates Tifa for no reason. Thats why this thread was created. To stick Tifa where she could do no harm to her precious ClAeris pairing. No other thread started with an interpretation of a specific coupling, then went right after that, in the same post, into why Tifa wouldnt work with Cloud and why Aeris wouldnt work with Zack and why Cloud and Aeris pwn the s**t out of Cloud and Tifa. That I can defend pink for in one state as an avid fan of this pairing. (If I had a scanner I'd post my Fack fanart) This pairing is generally not liked by fans. Every shrine/forum/etc I have ever found to this pairing usually is filled with nothing but flamers stating, "Shut up! Clifa end up together!" "Zack is dead!" "It's Zack and Aeris!" "It's Cloud and Tifa!" as well as Clifa bashing this pairing rarely with any other ammunication other than how perfect Cloud and Tifa are together. Now there are plenty of Clifa that do not do this. Unfortunately... these fans do not typically post on the shrines/etc. This is likewise with Aeck fans. So this eventually leads to the break down of counter pairings before explanation of such pairing can be established. So it can really be taken as a precautionary. (Mind this can be done with any pairing.) Fack sadly has a very thin line of defense... building the wall before some people get there is usually seen as a good way to strengthen it. It leaves a bad name but... so does accusations that someone only likes something because it counters something else they like. I simply pointed out to pink that her statement can leave a bad impression... I did not state that was what she really felt... just the impression she was leaving. I'm not pink and pink is not a fictional character; thus I can not say what her objectives are. Only note to her what undertones she leaves behind. How long have you been around Pink? Hmmm. Ive been watchin her post since she joined this guild, and its all been in support of Claeris and that is it. Read back in the original thread of this subforum which is the, Who Did Cloud Really Like, thread and youll see that she did everything she could to push Claeris upon the thread. There are blatent examples of the pairings of CloTi and ClAeris in the game. Id never met anyone that didnt accept that more than Pink. Plus, the opening post of this thread, as I said, is the ONLY one to point out couples that should have no bearing on this fan couple. If she supported it on just a fan basis, she wouldnt go out of her way to say WHY others WONT work at all. She doesnt even leave room for possibility that it could not go her way. Ai, he be true. I wouldn't care if he liked the couple, what I hate is how she downs on another couple and states "Why this couple couldn't work." Couplings are like Guilty Gear XX. For those who haven't played it... The pairings can shoot out in different branches. Like something like _____________________Vincent ____________________/ ____________________Yuffie __________________/ ____Zack--------------Aeris ___/______________/ Tifa--Cloud--Barret--Cloud It can branch out to other things, but what she does is this Zack / Tifa---------- CloudX She takes the path of Cloud and strikes it out, leaving only Zack available. It'd be cool if she went up to Zack, but there's no reason to cut him out of the equation and making it so that "Only Fack works and CloTi can't," or something... *sigh*
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