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 Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:07 am
Kukushka Honestly, I think that "family life" classes should be a core subject. Everyone should learn to cook, balance a checkbook, resume and interview skills, basic childcare (though this can receive less emphasis since there are often free classes on this subject for expectant mothers), and how to do simple stitches. These are facts of life. These are skills that we ALL need, whether we go on to college or to McDonalds. Unlike science, english, history, and so forth, a course like this is something that will be invaluable for EVERYONE. ((Warning: off-topic)) Amen to that! There are basic skills that everyone should know, and it's sad that not everyone learns them in school. They shove geometry down our throats, but when it comes to actual life skills? We covered some things like cooking and sewing in middle school, but they really need to review those things in high school, and add on more life skills. We covered interview skills in oral English, but that was it. I know you can learn them elsewhere, like from parents, in magazines, etc. but this sort of thing needs to be taught in school. What? Funding's an issue? See, this is the problem with our schools, they're not recieving enough funding, and the ones that are typically don't do a very good job distributing those funds efficiently.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:12 am
I just thought of something: Who here likes Jeff Foxworthy? "If your junior/senior prom has a daycare center, you might be a redneck!"
Now, after reading some of your other posts, I guess maybe the above quote may not be entirely correct. But I just thought of it, being a Blue Collar Comedy fan!
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:17 am
I attended a fairly small high school -- okay, it was downright tiny. As such, there weren't very many pregnant teens in our school, so we didn't have seperate facilities.
I am fairly certain that the new mothers were given between four and six weeks to themselves before the school even bothered to contact them. After that they were given the opportunity to obtain tutoring at home or coming to school for as long as they desired and having the homework sent home with a sibling or parent.
I don't think it was an over-all bad system but it wasn't perfect. Most of the girls didn't take advantage of home-tutoring -- can you blame them for not wanting to stay home twenty-four/seven? -- and, without one-on-one help from the teachers their grades fell behind.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:37 am
Freedom Fire More like, "You had sex, now you must be punished by having a really hard time finishing high school by going to a regular public school while juggling taking care of your child and making money to support you and the baby! " I've been thinking, it's more than just a time issue and a health issue. You know those chairs they always have in High Schools? The ones that are attached to the desk? A pregnant person physically cannot sit in those (beyond a certain stage). So in effect, they are physically standing in her way and impeding her education by even going so far as to make the chairs students must learn in unaccomadative to the sterility impared. Also, Freedom Fire, your post about why pro-lifers are such a huge part of the problem was freakin' brilliant. You called it. Freedom Fire Of course, then money may be more of an issue, because I think these schools cost money. If they do, they shouldn't. Or at least less than an abortion. Where's Bill Gates when you need him? Freedom Fire On the other hand, going to school with other teenage mothers can be a very positve thing. Aye, I mentioned that. They have something in common, they can help each other out. Just looking at all my pregnant and new mother friends, they all immediately network with other pregnant and new mother people because it gives them comfort to have friends who know exactly what they are going through. Or even just friends they have something in common with and can talk to because, as I said, having a child and not having a child are two completely different lifestyles. A girl who, at 17, is facing all the responsibilities of having a baby to take care of simply will not be able to relate very well to a girl of the same age who's biggest worry is which colleges to apply to. Freedom Fire It would be hypocritical for one student to call another student a "slut" because they all got pregnant. Where there's a will there's a way. "I married my boyfriend before the birth so I'm not a slut but you are." "I used contraceptive but it broke and you didn't so I'm not a slut but you are." "I'm Christian and have attoned for my sins but you haven't so I'm not a slut but you are." "I'm feeling extreme guilt and fear so I will project these feelings onto you because you are an easy target and call you a 'slut.'" "Well at least when I marry I will do so for love instead of in a cheap attempt to prevent my baby from being some arbitrary social designation so I'm not a slut but you are." Freedom Fire They shove geometry down our throats I have not used math more complex than addition, subtraction, division, and multiplication since I graduated from High School - three years ago. I'm glad I took Algebra. I really liked algebra. But the simply fact of the matter is that I have not used it once. And sorry, Mr. Lovejoy, but I have not felt the overwhelming urge to calculate the height of a pole or building or whatever else your examples told me I might want to do as an adult. Freedom Fire We covered interview skills in oral English, but that was it. My plan is to be a High School English teacher. And when I am, I fully intend to have a section of my course entirely devoted to resume writing and interview skills. Freedom Fire I know you can learn them elsewhere, like from parents, in magazines, etc. but this sort of thing needs to be taught in school. The goal of school is to prepare a child for adult life. If learning how to balance a budget, clean a house, or cook isn't part of adult life, then I've been living a dream these last three years. Freedom Fire What? Funding's an issue? SO TAKE IT AWAY FROM THE ******** MILITARY, YOU ******** ASSHOLES. How about we spend less of the budgest killing our children and more educating and bettering them? Doesn't that seem like a good idea? Freedom Fire typically don't do a very good job distributing those funds efficiently. This is sadly true. The whole system needs serious reform. Where I want to school, as much as 5% of the school's budget went to paying the salaries of the school board members. That should not happen.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:28 pm
Freedom Fire Kukushka Honestly, I think that "family life" classes should be a core subject. Everyone should learn to cook, balance a checkbook, resume and interview skills, basic childcare (though this can receive less emphasis since there are often free classes on this subject for expectant mothers), and how to do simple stitches. These are facts of life. These are skills that we ALL need, whether we go on to college or to McDonalds. Unlike science, english, history, and so forth, a course like this is something that will be invaluable for EVERYONE. ((Warning: off-topic)) Amen to that! There are basic skills that everyone should know, and it's sad that not everyone learns them in school. They shove geometry down our throats, but when it comes to actual life skills? We covered some things like cooking and sewing in middle school, but they really need to review those things in high school, and add on more life skills. We covered interview skills in oral English, but that was it. I know you can learn them elsewhere, like from parents, in magazines, etc. but this sort of thing needs to be taught in school. What? Funding's an issue? See, this is the problem with our schools, they're not recieving enough funding, and the ones that are typically don't do a very good job distributing those funds efficiently. I have an even BETTER idea. How about we try to teach ourselves and others, at the pro-choice guild, INDEPENDANT AND FAMILY LIFE SKILLS!!! We can teach each other this information, and then we can pass down this information to others. Anyone is free to participate in presenting the information they know about, and anyone is certainly free to distribute it. I feel there is a lot of relevance to connecting that information with the pro-choice agenda because pro-choice is all about education and empowering individuals to make their own choices about their bodies and lifestyles. It's about family planning. It's also about how to optimize one's current situation to escape the consequences ignorance, a lack of education, and socialization have impacted on. Who is with me on that one?
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:55 pm
Grip of Death Freedom Fire Kukushka Honestly, I think that "family life" classes should be a core subject. Everyone should learn to cook, balance a checkbook, resume and interview skills, basic childcare (though this can receive less emphasis since there are often free classes on this subject for expectant mothers), and how to do simple stitches. These are facts of life. These are skills that we ALL need, whether we go on to college or to McDonalds. Unlike science, english, history, and so forth, a course like this is something that will be invaluable for EVERYONE. ((Warning: off-topic)) Amen to that! There are basic skills that everyone should know, and it's sad that not everyone learns them in school. They shove geometry down our throats, but when it comes to actual life skills? We covered some things like cooking and sewing in middle school, but they really need to review those things in high school, and add on more life skills. We covered interview skills in oral English, but that was it. I know you can learn them elsewhere, like from parents, in magazines, etc. but this sort of thing needs to be taught in school. What? Funding's an issue? See, this is the problem with our schools, they're not recieving enough funding, and the ones that are typically don't do a very good job distributing those funds efficiently. I have an even BETTER idea. How about we try to teach ourselves and others, at the pro-choice guild, INDEPENDANT AND FAMILY LIFE SKILLS!!! We can teach each other this information, and then we can pass down this information to others. Anyone is free to participate in presenting the information they know about, and anyone is certainly free to distribute it. I feel there is a lot of relevance to connecting that information with the pro-choice agenda because pro-choice is all about education and empowering individuals to make their own choices about their bodies and lifestyles. It's about family planning. It's also about how to optimize one's current situation to escape the consequences ignorance, a lack of education, and socialization have impacted on. Who is with me on that one? I am! Great Idea.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:48 pm
If someone here thinks that they can teach me how to cook, I'm all for it.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:56 pm
Kukushka If someone here thinks that they can teach me how to cook, I'm all for it. I taught my fiancé how to cook, but over the internet would be a challenge! xd My high school had a required semester-long class in the 10th grade called Life Management. I took it over the summer to get it out of the way, because all the courses I wanted to take were full-year courses. I don't remember a whole lot about it, except they covered CPR and balancing a checkbook. I'm absolutely positive we never went over cooking or sewing. I also remember being bored. I already knew how to balance my checkbook. My high school didn't have a daycare, but this was 10+ years ago. They might have one now. It was a large school (nearly 750 students in my class) for not being in a large city. I knew a handful of girls (maybe three) that got pregnant, and they all stayed in the same school and graduated.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:09 pm
Toga! Toga! Razornova I wasn't aware that other highschools -didn't- have daycares. I like your town already, it seem to care more about children than the schools that I've attended. My current high school doesn't have a daycare. Hell, the administration can't even be bothered to treat its enrolled students with respect. stare Where do you live? I'm moving. Hah! Southeast Missouri--gotta love the Bible Belt! Seriously, the daycare center at my high school and sex ed classes are about the only thing in town that doesn't scream "abstinence, goddammit!" EVERYONE here is conservative and Christian to the core (exempting myself and a *few* other people) and they're all really close-minded. >_< I can't wait to get away.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:38 pm
You see- there lies a common problem I have noticed.
"Life skills" either only applies to those with disabilities, with skills so basic that would not be of much assistance to average joe...
Or you have maybe a couse in highschool which covers practically nothing, it's almost considered like a free study hall period for most folk. It's insulting and a waste of time for people who really need to learn things because they know their parents are kicking them out of the house when they turn 18 on their birthdays.
We always can't count on parents to "teach" us these things either, for some reason or another. Some parents are poor teachers. Others do not know the skills themselves and thus live more aimlessly. There's many reasons to factor in.
You don't have such a class of "life skills" in college. It's a crying shame that college kids arn't being taught basic and essential life skills. One class for one semester is really all an intelligent, driven student needs to learn the important practical skills of life because it's not that they are difficult... it's just life is complicated. You have debt and taxes to pay, you have rules in fine print to follow, etc etc.
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:31 pm
Grip of Death We always can't count on parents to "teach" us these things either, for some reason or another. Some parents are poor teachers. Others do not know the skills themselves and thus live more aimlessly. There's many reasons to factor in. I was buying some books for school today at a feminist bookstore (called Mother Tongue Books). Yes, I'm taking one of those feminist courses where we sit around and whine about how badly MEN have been treating us (no woman, ever, stopped another woman from pursuing her dream, of course. It's only been men, so let's hate them). I had a credit to fill. Don't judge me. Anyways, to the point, I started talking to the cashier lady and she mentioned that she finds it so amazing how many students come into the store and have to be taught how to pay for their books (like how to pay with their debit cards or how to write a check). I said "OMG! I was just talking about this the other day!" And we agreed that a Life Management course should be mandatory in High Schools.
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:38 pm
Sorry peoples, i'm just too lazy to read three pages of posts.
Obviously those people who sent in the letters have never had the experiance. It's sad. They are hypocrites. "Oh yeah! keep the baby! Oh, just to tell you, you can't finish school! LOL! Have fun struggling!"
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:15 pm
Kukushka Grip of Death We always can't count on parents to "teach" us these things either, for some reason or another. Some parents are poor teachers. Others do not know the skills themselves and thus live more aimlessly. There's many reasons to factor in. I was buying some books for school today at a feminist bookstore (called Mother Tongue Books). Yes, I'm taking one of those feminist courses where we sit around and whine about how badly MEN have been treating us (no woman, ever, stopped another woman from pursuing her dream, of course. It's only been men, so let's hate them). I had a credit to fill. Don't judge me. Anyways, to the point, I started talking to the cashier lady and she mentioned that she finds it so amazing how many students come into the store and have to be taught how to pay for their books (like how to pay with their debit cards or how to write a check). I said "OMG! I was just talking about this the other day!" And we agreed that a Life Management course should be mandatory in High Schools. Wow... So whose your Prof, Denis? I had her this summer. She mentioned that feminist bookstore in Ottawa, but I never had the time to go. heh, sorry for the insider convo. It's shocking, but not surprising to hear that students my age do not even know how to make a non-cash monetary transaction. It's no wonder that once these students get out of college, they are stuck with a credit card debt that will linger over for the next 30 years. That's why... if no major institution wants to help us all out to learn these basic but essential things... it presents us with the great opportunity to come together and share.
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:52 pm
I completely agree. I mean, I don't agree with aving a baby when you're 17, but some poeple really dont want to have abortions (or worse, want kids that young). I also have a few friends that have had kids (though they all seem to be near the end of 12th grade). sweatdrop
I don't think they should be punished anymore than they already are. I say give them their schools. It' not like you have to go to them. Better than wasting our tax money like they usually do. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:58 pm
Has anyone seen Saved!? They made fun of a lot of religious beliefs, but sending the children away wasn't one of them. They don't deal with these problems. It's like they don't exist. It's weird, though I have to say it must be great living in a non-violent, completely ignorant world.
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