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[ Loor ]

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:21 pm


Being "gay" is just like any other sin. All sins have the same punishment and come with the same grace. I personally feel I screw up enough and participating in lesbian actions is easy for me to stay away from. But as for my bad thoughts...not so easy.... twisted xd j/k
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:28 pm


BTW! Being "gay" is unchristian like. Just like cursing, disobeying your parents, stealing, and drinking....ext.

[ Loor ]


Riknar Steelfire

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:33 am


morsusmihi
well, if you think about the word it means fear of people (homo=people/person, phobia=fear), but in the language today it is used to say that someone is afraid of homosexual people. Now, fear isn't a sin, but when you begin to hate/hurt the people you are afraid of then it becomes a sin. Basically, if you're afraid of gay people it's all right, but if you begin to hate them then it's not all right. If this made any sense at all.


Since when does the fear of anything other than the Lord count as ok? :/
If ones fear of a homo/bisexual gets in the way of their personal affairs with God and others, then I sincerely doubt that said fear is from God and not something else.This would be especially so if you were being called in some way or other to help said people of alternative lifestyle.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:28 pm


[ Loor ]
BTW! Being "gay" is unchristian like. Just like cursing, disobeying your parents, stealing, and drinking....ext.


ok disobeying your parents and stealing i can understand but last i checked cursing and drinkign weren't technically sins so since you were wrong about two examples any chance you were wrong about the gay verdict as well?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:08 am


Being gay isn't a sin. God created us all and created us all equally. That includes gays. Why would he create gays if he only wanted to subject them to pain and misery. Now homophobia I think is a sin. Sure it is a fear of gays. But ultimately what people forgtet or don't know is that fear leads to hatred. We hate the things we fear. For example when I was a kid I had a fear of clowns. Now I hate them. Those who fear gays will in turn hate them.

My best friend is bi. As is my boyfriend. And they are both followers of God. He made them the way they are. He would never banish anyone to the pits of Hades for being themselves.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:57 pm


Lazarus The Resurected
[ Loor ]
BTW! Being "gay" is unchristian like. Just like cursing, disobeying your parents, stealing, and drinking....ext.


ok disobeying your parents and stealing i can understand but last i checked cursing and drinkign weren't technically sins so since you were wrong about two examples any chance you were wrong about the gay verdict as well?
Ya, cursing is, especially when you say the lords name in vain.
And drinking is a sin only if you get drunk because that is abusing your body

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:59 pm


[ Loor ]
BTW! Being "gay" is unchristian like. Just like cursing, disobeying your parents, stealing, and drinking....ext.
Ya, but homophobia is unchristian like too. And being gay is only a sin if you participate in sexual actions which is when the bible says "man must not lie with man"
PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:07 pm


I think committing a gay sexual act is a sin but I don't think being attracted to the same sex is a sin. I think acting on it is wrong but it's completely wrong to hate gays.

ShondraSu


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:56 pm


punkrockvampire06
Lazarus The Resurected
[ Loor ]
BTW! Being "gay" is unchristian like. Just like cursing, disobeying your parents, stealing, and drinking....ext.


ok disobeying your parents and stealing i can understand but last i checked cursing and drinkign weren't technically sins so since you were wrong about two examples any chance you were wrong about the gay verdict as well?
Ya, cursing is, especially when you say the lords name in vain.
And drinking is a sin only if you get drunk because that is abusing your body


thank you for reiterating two other threads and diminishing my point at the same time. by the way we have to remember this was about homophobia being a sin not homosexuality
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:42 am


ShondraSu
I think committing a gay sexual act is a sin but I don't think being attracted to the same sex is a sin. I think acting on it is wrong but it's completely wrong to hate gays.


Yeah I agree with this.
Everyone has certain tendencies to sin; homosexuality is only one of these tendencies. And each Christian should strive to overcome his sinful tendencies with the help of Jesus and other Chrisitians they can trust; whether it's the homosexual tendency or any other.
Related to this problem, I've read an article dealing with homosexuality in the context of this passage of Galatians
"The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."
From what they wrote there, the word for sexual immorality originally was there in the specific sense of homosexual acts. That would mean that it is a part of human old sinful nature; but who is reborn in Jesus is to abandon these ways.


Hating any person is sinful, so to the original question I say yes. The person who hates someone for their homeosexuality has no right to think that they themselves are something better because they aren't sinless either; and in this case they are guilty of the sin of hatred and pride.

We have to accept every person, but we still have to be aware what a sin is and we must not accept its normalization. Whether the homosexual tendency in a particular case is biologically caused or not; homosexual behaviour is still the person's choice and that is a sin, not the attraction itself. We as Christians have to love the person, but we must not approve to their sinful lifestyle.

Ametrin


Gaylord Mule 3

PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:03 pm


So, this means that you can be gay but if you live gay, give yourself over to your instincts you go to hell. what kind of just god would allow this.
PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:44 am


Go to hell? You know that there is forgiveness for everyone who really wants it, don't you?
We all have tendencies to sin that we must fight somehow. For some a form of this tendency is desire for a homosexual relationship. But even when they don't choose to have this attraction it's still wrong to act according to it. Other Christians have their own issues they must deal with too. They may not be as difficult as homosexuality, and to us it may not seem just that some people have their life harder and some have it seemingly easier, but only God knows why he puts a certain person in a certain situation... from his perspective things can be so very different than from our limited view, and eventually there can be a reason why a person had their fight against their inner sinful tendencies more difficult than another one. We can just know that God will not abandon us if we seek for his help sincerely... and that is valid also for a person who feels lost because is a Christian who has discovered their homosexual attraction, God is there to help those who sincerely seek for him.

Ametrin


Gaylord Mule 3

PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:34 pm


Luz Melian
Go to hell? You know that there is forgiveness for everyone who really wants it, don't you?
We all have tendencies to sin that we must fight somehow. For some a form of this tendency is desire for a homosexual relationship. But even when they don't choose to have this attraction it's still wrong to act according to it. Other Christians have their own issues they must deal with too. They may not be as difficult as homosexuality, and to us it may not seem just that some people have their life harder and some have it seemingly easier, but only God knows why he puts a certain person in a certain situation... from his perspective things can be so very different than from our limited view, and eventually there can be a reason why a person had their fight against their inner sinful tendencies more difficult than another one. We can just know that God will not abandon us if we seek for his help sincerely... and that is valid also for a person who feels lost because is a Christian who has discovered their homosexual attraction, God is there to help those who sincerely seek for him.


forgive my Satanic ignorance (technically yopu have to it's part of your religion) buy why should we deny our own natural instincts again?

also incase i havent pointed these things out
1: homosexuality is not by any means a choice if you want concrete proof note that you do not ever wake up and have to make the choice of being heterosexual.
2:This is not a discussion on whether or not homosexuals are sinning nore is it a debate on how homosexuals can deal with thier "sin" this is a debate on wheter, being called to love everyone, a homophobic christian is sinning.
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:27 am


I think the question of whether a homophobic Christian is sinning has already been solved, but somehow the subject of this topic has been broader already for some time... and why not, since not much is going on in this guild forum anyways.

And I think in my other posts on this page I have already adressed your points too.

I am aware that homosexual attraction is not a choice. But homosexual acts are a choice. Christians have to be growing into a new beings during their life with God though, renewed beings that have put aside acts of their sinful nature or at least are trying to. There are various different tendencies to said sinful acts present in each person and homosexuality is just one of them. But whatever sin we are aware to be inclined to, we have to struggle against it, for God wants us to become his new creations, dead to sin and to all aspects of our sinful nature. I can't know from a Christian view why at God allows people to have disposition to homosexuality and at the same time states in the bible that homosexual acts are sinful. But we are told that they are sinful, not only in the OT but also in the NT, thus Christians who take their faith seriously should not practice them.

Ametrin

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