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 Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:28 pm
Imotoku Skiddishfit Imotoku Skiddishfit Imotoku He was not 2/3 of himself. He was all of himself. You are trying to bind him by human limitations. He is manifested in 3 forms at the same time. 3 full forms. Each is not 1/3 each is 100% God. He is not bound by space nor time. He does not need to be half here and half there. He is all here and all there. Each manifest is 100% God, just in 3 forms at the same time, not sequencing. He wasn't first The Father, then Jesus, then the Holy Spirit. He was always The Father, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit. He is all 3 at the same time. And the manifestation; Jesus, said: Quote: Matthew 28:18 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Note Jesus said "me". And not "us". He also said given. Somewhere in the epistles it says the spirit that raised christ from the dead. Yes, it does note "given". Keep in mind this is a manifestation of God. A means He has made Himself known. About being raised: Quote: John 2:19-22 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21But he spake of the temple of his body. 22When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. Yes he raised himself up because he is also the Holy Spirit. Quote: Colossians 2:9 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jesus is fully God. Jesus is God. Not a persona, but God. Quote: 1 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain 16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. God, not the Son, God. Quote: Deuteronomy 6:4 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain 4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: If there were three, indeed being separate, but the same, and you believe you will at least see two persons, God and Jesus, then why is there one LORD, and not three?
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:24 pm
Because there is 1 God not three. Kind of what Sara said 1 body 3 roles. I'm just saying that we shouldn't bind him to earthly limitations and say he can't be more than 1 place at one time. Except I still believe that God is in us, but he is also in heaven on the throne. He was manifested in the flesh, but still in Heaven on the throne. I'm just saying he is everywhere at once, but I couldn't figure out a way to explain it until now. I thought since Jesus was praying to someone he must not have been praying to himself yet in a sense he was, but it was too confusing for me.
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:31 pm
Imotoku Because there is 1 God not three. Kind of what Sara said 1 body 3 roles. I'm just saying that we shouldn't bind him to earthly limitations and say he can't be more than 1 place at one time. Except I still believe that God is in us, but he is also in heaven on the throne. He was manifested in the flesh, but still in Heaven on the throne. I'm just saying he is everywhere at once, but I couldn't figure out a way to explain it until now. I thought since Jesus was praying to someone he must not have been praying to himself yet in a sense he was, but it was too confusing for me. but you yourself are limiting Him to an earthly measure. comparing body structure, to God.
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:38 pm
to elaborate more on Deuteronomy 6:4. it states: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD".
the LORD is addressed in the first mention "The LORD", then it tells He is "one LORD".
another interpretation being "God is one LORD". the first bit "The LORD" is addressing God as supreme, over us.
"Hear, O Israel: The 'supreme' our God is one LORD"
"Hear, O Israel: '...' God is one LORD"
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:02 pm
This one bible verse breaks any theories that there isn't a trinity. I put Jesus's own words in red, so if he said it, it must be true: Quote: Matthew 28 The Great Commission 16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, " All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Now why would either Jesus or Matthew lie by putting in false quotes from the son of God?
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:06 pm
Skiddishfit to elaborate more on Deuteronomy 6:4. it states: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD". the LORD is addressed in the first mention [after colon] "The LORD", then it tells He is "one LORD". another interpretation being "God is one LORD". the first bit "The LORD" is addressing God as supreme, over us. "Hear, O Israel: The 'supreme' our God is one LORD" "Hear, O Israel: '...' God is one LORD" Yes, but this was before Jesus. Then God hadn't come to save us. So there was no Jesus, meaning that nobody was saved, so there couldn't be the Holy Spirit in us. Also, many Christians don't believe in the first 5 books of the bible as being cretitable. This also would be a Jewish believe, 1 God. Also look at the Nicene Creed, Catholic and other Christian Denominations say it. If you've ever read it, it talks about the trinity.
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:13 pm
OutkasTeen Skiddishfit to elaborate more on Deuteronomy 6:4. it states: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD". the LORD is addressed in the first mention [after colon] "The LORD", then it tells He is "one LORD". another interpretation being "God is one LORD". the first bit "The LORD" is addressing God as supreme, over us. "Hear, O Israel: The 'supreme' our God is one LORD" "Hear, O Israel: '...' God is one LORD" Yes, but this was before Jesus. Then God hadn't come to save us. So there was no Jesus, meaning that nobody was saved, so there couldn't be the Holy Spirit in us. Also, many Christians don't believe in the first 5 books of the bible as being cretitable. This also would be a Jewish believe, 1 God. Also look at the Nicene Creed, Catholic and other Christian Denominations say it. If you've ever read it, it talks about the trinity. The debate concerns the Bible, and the Bible alone. End of story. You misunderstand the Trinity. It is believed the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost existed forever. That they are enternally entwined, and inseparable.
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:18 pm
also, those "Christians" who do not hold the first five books also do not agree with portions of the NT...
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:19 pm
read ephesians 1:4 concerning Jesus.
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:24 pm
OutkasTeen This one bible verse breaks any theories that there isn't a trinity. I put Jesus's own words in red, so if he said it, it must be true: Quote: Matthew 28 The Great Commission 16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, " All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Now why would either Jesus or Matthew lie by putting in false quotes from the son of God? Read my correlation on baptism in "Salvation! Really? Show me..."
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:32 pm
Skiddishfit also, those "Christians" who do not hold the first five books also do not agree with portions of the NT... Actually many do believe the new testament but don't look to the old testament for faith or creditability. That's because the new testament changed things. For instance, do you believe that this should be followed: Quote: Deuteronomy 25 11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity. What about this law? Quote: Leviticus 19 27 " 'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard. So if you admit to following all these rules than you may have a point, but if you don't follow all the rules from the old testament (like not wearing clothes with more than one fabric in them) or something like that, than you have a point.
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:41 pm
OutkasTeen Skiddishfit also, those "Christians" who do not hold the first five books also do not agree with portions of the NT... Actually many do believe the new testament but don't look to the old testament for faith or creditability. That's because the new testament changed things. For instance, do you believe that this should be followed: Quote: Deuteronomy 25 11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity. What about this law? Quote: Leviticus 19 27 " 'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard. So if you admit to following all these rules than you may have a point, but if you don't follow all the rules from the old testament (like not wearing clothes with more than one fabric in them) or something like that, than you have a point. The law of Moses, and the Ceremonial law [OT] are mute now, according to Colossians 2:14, and a portion of Hebrews 10.
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:46 pm
we now are under Agape [law of love]. for a NT reference of the OT [deuteronomy 6:4], read hebrews 13:8.
[for the portion in hebrews 10, read verses 19-25.]
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:50 pm
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:56 pm
Skiddishfit Imotoku Because there is 1 God not three. Kind of what Sara said 1 body 3 roles. I'm just saying that we shouldn't bind him to earthly limitations and say he can't be more than 1 place at one time. Except I still believe that God is in us, but he is also in heaven on the throne. He was manifested in the flesh, but still in Heaven on the throne. I'm just saying he is everywhere at once, but I couldn't figure out a way to explain it until now. I thought since Jesus was praying to someone he must not have been praying to himself yet in a sense he was, but it was too confusing for me. but you yourself are limiting Him to an earthly measure. comparing body structure, to God. Your saying he has to sequence what he does, First Father, then Son, then Holy Ghost. I am saying he manifests himself in all 3 forms at the same time not sequencing. God is in us and in Heaven. When Jesus was on Earth I don't believe Heaven was absent of God. I don't Believe that the throne was vaccant. I believe he was in 2 places at once since Jesus prays to the Father.
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