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 Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:29 pm
OutkasTeen Quote: And yes if the light was yellow I wouldn't go through if it wasn't as safe as the green. Because if anything is questionable and has the potential for me to backslide (be unsafe) I'll stay green. The further a way from red the btter. Yet the yellow has nothing to do with red. Yellow is no closer to Red than Green. Yellow is neither affiliated with the Green or the Red. Yet you can be green and yellow. A green painting with nothing more would be quite a boring painting There is hot water and cold water.
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:34 pm
OutkasTeen Quote: And yes if the light was yellow I wouldn't go through if it wasn't as safe as the green. Because if anything is questionable and has the potential for me to backslide (be unsafe) I'll stay green. The further a way from red the btter. Yet the yellow has nothing to do with red. Yellow is no closer to Red than Green. Yellow is neither affiliated with the Green or the Red. Yet you can be green and yellow. A green painting with nothing more would be quite a boring painting You weren't talking about colors and paintings. You were talking about traffic lights. Yellow is inbetween red and green and only lasts for a short time. Whenever my parents cross a yellow light, I get nervous. I just really don't like it. So no, the next time I drive I probably am not going to go through the yellow light. And like Imotoku said, there is warm, cold, and lukewarm water. God despises the lukewarm and will spit them out of His mouth. ( Revelation 3:16)
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:45 pm
OutkasTeen Ok, for anyone who likes Anberlin but vows not to listen to secular music, I'm going to rattle your cages. It's not just Anberlin, its other artists too, but they're the best examples I can think of. Ok, here it goes. To go to an Anberlin concert and listent through the whole thing, you would here so alot of secular music. Why? Because they go on tour with secular bands like Fall Out Boy and Hawthorne Heights. Same with Underoath. They were on the Warped Tour that had alot of secular bands. Many Christian Artists do that. Also, look at the back of their cds, they thank secular bands when they're thanking the bands. The secular music is another inspiration for many Christian bands. God might inspire the words, but there are more parts of the music. So many bands that are Christian can be traced back to secular bands and music. It's probably secular music that inspires many artists to pick up a guitar or drums. Now Allythea, adressed to you. Be more specific on not being able to hear the words, name bands. You see, I can understand the words of most Christian Rap and Rock. Not all people can though. So like what bands and stuff? I wish I could name the band for you, but I heard it once quite awhile ago when my brother was listening to it. It is rare for me to hear christian rock and not hear the words- very rare- yep rare. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:49 pm
Quote: And sometimes you are the only bible to some people. You represent the bible to people who don't go to church. Now if you are preaching to them then they hear you listen to the same trash singing about love and anger and negative emotions, what makes them think they can't get into heaven the way they are? I mean you are saved and listening to the same junk they are so why should they change? Firstly, anger is an emotion that even Christians have. I write music about bad emotions like anger and dissapointment, and usually get better comments than happy music. Why? Passion and feeling. Look at a song called Disgust me in the guild More Than Useless. Secondly, they don't have to change. Because it doesn't make a difference. Many christians don't even listen to Christian music outside of church. Does that mean that they have any worse of a relationship with God because of their music choices. No, it just means that they choose other forms of worship, thats all. Also, love is a fundemental part of Christianity. Anger, is a universal emotion and everyone expresses it somehow.
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:56 pm
Allythea OutkasTeen Ok, for anyone who likes Anberlin but vows not to listen to secular music, I'm going to rattle your cages. It's not just Anberlin, its other artists too, but they're the best examples I can think of. Ok, here it goes. To go to an Anberlin concert and listent through the whole thing, you would here so alot of secular music. Why? Because they go on tour with secular bands like Fall Out Boy and Hawthorne Heights. Same with Underoath. They were on the Warped Tour that had alot of secular bands. Many Christian Artists do that. Also, look at the back of their cds, they thank secular bands when they're thanking the bands. The secular music is another inspiration for many Christian bands. God might inspire the words, but there are more parts of the music. So many bands that are Christian can be traced back to secular bands and music. It's probably secular music that inspires many artists to pick up a guitar or drums. Now Allythea, adressed to you. Be more specific on not being able to hear the words, name bands. You see, I can understand the words of most Christian Rap and Rock. Not all people can though. So like what bands and stuff? I wish I could name the band for you, but I heard it once quite awhile ago when my brother was listening to it. It is rare for me to hear christian rock and not hear the words- very rare- yep rare. 3nodding The only ones I've really heard are Norma Jean, Underoath, and Showbread, and I like all three of those. I have heard others from differen't bands on the Tooth and Nails Record label, but I don't know all the names.
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:02 pm
Quote: Yellow is inbetween red and green and only lasts for a short time. It means the same thing as green, which is go. Red means stop. They both mean go, because they both have the potential to be good.
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:06 pm
OutkasTeen Quote: Yellow is inbetween red and green and only lasts for a short time. It means the same thing as green, which is go. Red means stop. They both mean go, because they both have the potential to be good. That is what the water analogy is about. People think being in the middle is good, but really God hates them.
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:18 pm
I didn't say not everyone felt anger. Even Jesus got angered when the people where selling stuff in the temple, but when you sing angery songs you are worshiping that anger. My beliefs anyways. ANd for Showbeard I use to like them but then I saw their indiviual(sp) myspaces and decided against them. And if Anberlin plays with secular bands I wouldn't go to their concerts. I don't shun people who listen to secular music. But I know more Christian that choose to only listen to Christian music than I know who choose not too. If it wasn't for my friends I wouldn't have even had the strength to break my CDs....Thats how you know music is powerful. It was CDs, worthless words right? But yet it had such a strong hold on my life that I cried as I broke them. Some of them weren't even bad! One was a sound track to Lizzie McGuire....Like Oh my geeze what is wrong in those songs?! Nothing if you look at it from a wordly point of view...But looking at it spiritually it can mean the different between me staying stagnant or going forward in my walk with God....If it is hard to let go of your music then you are being controlled by something that isn't God and that is never a good thing. So even if it isn't bad it can still affect you.
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:21 pm
Imotoku OutkasTeen Quote: Yellow is inbetween red and green and only lasts for a short time. It means the same thing as green, which is go. Red means stop. They both mean go, because they both have the potential to be good. That is what the water analogy is about. People think being in the middle is good, but really God hates them. God doesn't hate firstly. God is not a sinful God. Secondly, you need to realize the message your sending people. Heres the message, listen to only Christian music, and all other music is bad, no matter how good the morals. If I read this and was an outsider, that would be the message I would get. Music is an artform, for religion and emotion and a mix of both is good.
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:28 pm
Maybe you view it like that because your mind is closed off. And why is it so important for you to be defensive of secular music? Could you go without it for two weeks? Seriously think about it. Could you go without secular music for two weeks or would that be extremely hard? If the answer is yea it would be hard then ask yourself why? If it's not bad why would it be so hard to give up for only two weeks? And I don't care if outsiders think I view secular music as bad. That means they are only choosing to remember what the want. Because as I clearly said I don't believe it will send you to hell. I believe it gives a potential to hindering your walk but will it, itself send you to hell? Nope. But I'd rather people think of me as someone who doesn't approve of secular music than someone who approves of all music. Because I'm not here to be part of the world, I'm not here to please people, heck I'm not here to sugar coat anything. So I won't. It's not helping anyone for me to sugarcoat my beliefs, convictions, and what I've experienced.
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:33 pm
OutkasTeen Imotoku OutkasTeen Quote: Yellow is inbetween red and green and only lasts for a short time. It means the same thing as green, which is go. Red means stop. They both mean go, because they both have the potential to be good. That is what the water analogy is about. People think being in the middle is good, but really God hates them. God doesn't hate firstly. God is not a sinful God. Secondly, you need to realize the message your sending people. Heres the message, listen to only Christian music, and all other music is bad, no matter how good the morals. If I read this and was an outsider, that would be the message I would get. Music is an artform, for religion and emotion and a mix of both is good. First, sorry for useing hate, I meant hate what their doing. Second, you have to remember that the devil is a deciever, and he can be good at it. I would recomend only listening to christian music if you don't have spiritual sense. Hebrews 5:13-14 For everyone that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14-But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses excercised to discern both good and evil.Now if you cannot tell between your left and right hand, it would be better to just stay with christian things. It is better to be safe then sorry.
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:52 am
Allythea I prefer christian music to secular as well. The only christian music I have a problem with is when they sing and you can't hear the words of the song. It's important to me to be able to hear the words so I can praise right along with the song. My husband and I respectfully disagree on the subject of christian rock. My hubby argued that all christian rock was not good because rock music is designed to rattle your nerves and something about most rock music plays to a down scale instead of an upscale (he's the musician-not me). I'm sorry, but I am forced to disagree with your husband. Perhaps Rock rattles his nerves, and as such it's perfectly fine if he wants to avoid it, but it's teh exact opposite for me. I find hard Rock and such very comforting(I'll admit that even I find it odd), listening to fast beats and structered chaos is exactly what I need to unwind from a typical day, and it can help escape from teh stress I had built up from the day. Soft music, on teh other hand, I find extremely irritating, as it's far too mello, and almost puts me to sleep.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:07 pm
Personally, I listen to most everything; secular and non-secular. Relient K is one of my favorite bands, but so is blink-182. To me, music is only "bad" if it explicitly uses bad morals and such. As someone said earlier in this thread, there are many secular bands out there who have songs with good morals and views, they just happen to not be about the Lord.
I try to avoid listening to songs with sexually explicit lyrics, and with a lot of cursing. Although some of the songs I listen to do curse...but that's not the point.
I don't believe that God would look down upon someone because of their choice of music. Then again, I don't think that God looks down upon anyone for any reason (He is all-forgiving in my mind). I can understand why some people would want to listen to only-Christian music, I'm just not one of those people. ^^;
Oh, and before someone replies to this, let me say one thing; I personally do not believe in Hell or the devil. I know, I know, there are many times in the Bible where it states that there is one...but to me, that just wouldn't make sense. I go by the Wesleyan Quadrilateral; Scripture, Tradition, Reason, Experience. Just wanted to let y'all know. ^^
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:03 am
LINK!LINK!LINK! YOu guys are are right! Secular music is evil!!! eek (sarcasm)
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:16 pm
'Secular' is a rather broad term. Music like t.A.T.u. doesn't belong in a catagory with Marolyn Manson (if you didn't know, he claims to be the anti-christ)
Of course Marolyn Manson is 'bad', but most music is about interpretation.
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