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 Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:55 am
sistergoldenhair Jump_n_Jehoshaphat Also, about the loving your neightbor as your-self. If one lusts they do not love them-self very much, as they are sinning. It's on the same plain. I also realize lust is not sex. However, before sex there must be lust on the parties part. Sex would fall into the "world" category. Lust is inappropriate sexual feelings towards someone, not sexual feelings themselves. If I were married (which I am not) and I wanted to have sex with my husband beause I was horny, it would not involve lust since that particular man would be mine. Now, say I check my best friend's husband out and picture myself in bed with him. That's lust. That ain't mine. It's inappropriate sexual feelings towards someone. Attraction does not equal lust. If it is, God played a rather dirty trick on us as he gave us those feelings. Dictionary.com disagrees with you... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lust-->If I committed one of these everyday without repenting, I would go to Hell. If I sinned once, only telling a little lie. Going throughout the rest of my life without sinning or repenting. Guess what, I would go to Hell; experience the second death mentioned in the OP.
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:02 am
sistergoldenhair I just want to clarify a few things. When Lewis talks about lust being less harmful than hate, he's referring to the fact that hate comes straight out of hell. As does Pride. Pride was the sin of Lucifer he set himself above God and tried to take over heaven. When he talks about diabolical sins, he means stuff that comes out of hell. Lust is merely a twisted natural feeling that has been perverted from it's natural use, while Pride and Hate are actually "of the devil" (to use a phrase I passionately dislike). Lewis was very interested in what does more damage to the soul, i.e. what takes a person farther away from the mind of Christ, so when he talks about one sin being "worse" than the other he means that it was more damaging to the human soul that engaged in it. Now honestly, I can see lust/sex as a distraction from my life in God but not as a barrier to it. Mostly because mine's never gone much farther than checking out a guy in tight wranglers and thinking I'd like to have a swing like that in my backyard, but I digress. What keeps me from God is my pride, I don't think I need help, I think I should be able to get by without prayer and I feel like an idiot praying for my own needs....which is most definately NOT what should be going on with me! My pride, though it's subtle, very subtle, keeps me from being who God would have me be. In my pride, I want to love God solely for God, and not admit that I need him. Hate, well, hate is something straight out hell as well. It puts anger between ourselves and others and anger between us surrendering our feelings to the Lord. Now all are sin, all are disobedience, but hatred and pride, pride in particular, have a deep hold in the human soul and bring it nearer to Hell than lust....which is only natural desire twisted a bit. Is this a little more clear now? I meant to get to this sooner, but I had other things on my mind. All sin warrents death, clearly shown. (Romans 6:23) Any degree of sin would separate an individual from God. What proof do you have one sin is capable of distancing an individual further away from Jesus than another? How can one go further than death in the spiritual aspect?
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:52 am
Jump_n_Jehoshaphat sistergoldenhair Jump_n_Jehoshaphat Also, about the loving your neightbor as your-self. If one lusts they do not love them-self very much, as they are sinning. It's on the same plain. I also realize lust is not sex. However, before sex there must be lust on the parties part. Sex would fall into the "world" category. Lust is inappropriate sexual feelings towards someone, not sexual feelings themselves. If I were married (which I am not) and I wanted to have sex with my husband beause I was horny, it would not involve lust since that particular man would be mine. Now, say I check my best friend's husband out and picture myself in bed with him. That's lust. That ain't mine. It's inappropriate sexual feelings towards someone. Attraction does not equal lust. If it is, God played a rather dirty trick on us as he gave us those feelings. Dictionary.com disagrees with you... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lust-->If I committed one of these everyday without repenting, I would go to Hell. If I sinned once, only telling a little lie. Going throughout the rest of my life without sinning or repenting. Guess what, I would go to Hell; experience the second death mentioned in the OP. Funny, that defination said "unrestrained or overwhelming" craving. *rolls eyes. But whatever. I was just trying to help.
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:54 am
Jump_n_Jehoshaphat sistergoldenhair I just want to clarify a few things. When Lewis talks about lust being less harmful than hate, he's referring to the fact that hate comes straight out of hell. As does Pride. Pride was the sin of Lucifer he set himself above God and tried to take over heaven. When he talks about diabolical sins, he means stuff that comes out of hell. Lust is merely a twisted natural feeling that has been perverted from it's natural use, while Pride and Hate are actually "of the devil" (to use a phrase I passionately dislike). Lewis was very interested in what does more damage to the soul, i.e. what takes a person farther away from the mind of Christ, so when he talks about one sin being "worse" than the other he means that it was more damaging to the human soul that engaged in it. Now honestly, I can see lust/sex as a distraction from my life in God but not as a barrier to it. Mostly because mine's never gone much farther than checking out a guy in tight wranglers and thinking I'd like to have a swing like that in my backyard, but I digress. What keeps me from God is my pride, I don't think I need help, I think I should be able to get by without prayer and I feel like an idiot praying for my own needs....which is most definately NOT what should be going on with me! My pride, though it's subtle, very subtle, keeps me from being who God would have me be. In my pride, I want to love God solely for God, and not admit that I need him. Hate, well, hate is something straight out hell as well. It puts anger between ourselves and others and anger between us surrendering our feelings to the Lord. Now all are sin, all are disobedience, but hatred and pride, pride in particular, have a deep hold in the human soul and bring it nearer to Hell than lust....which is only natural desire twisted a bit. Is this a little more clear now? I meant to get to this sooner, but I had other things on my mind. All sin warrents death, clearly shown. (Romans 6:23) Any degree of sin would separate an individual from God. What proof do you have one sin is capable of distancing an individual further away from Jesus than another? How can one go further than death in the spiritual aspect? Further away from submission to the mending of it is what I'm referring to. I'm not interested in proving anything to you as the whole thing was for you benefit and not something in a court case.
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:39 am
sistergoldenhair Jump_n_Jehoshaphat sistergoldenhair Jump_n_Jehoshaphat Also, about the loving your neightbor as your-self. If one lusts they do not love them-self very much, as they are sinning. It's on the same plain. I also realize lust is not sex. However, before sex there must be lust on the parties part. Sex would fall into the "world" category. Lust is inappropriate sexual feelings towards someone, not sexual feelings themselves. If I were married (which I am not) and I wanted to have sex with my husband beause I was horny, it would not involve lust since that particular man would be mine. Now, say I check my best friend's husband out and picture myself in bed with him. That's lust. That ain't mine. It's inappropriate sexual feelings towards someone. Attraction does not equal lust. If it is, God played a rather dirty trick on us as he gave us those feelings. Dictionary.com disagrees with you... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lust-->If I committed one of these everyday without repenting, I would go to Hell. If I sinned once, only telling a little lie. Going throughout the rest of my life without sinning or repenting. Guess what, I would go to Hell; experience the second death mentioned in the OP. Funny, that defination said "unrestrained or overwhelming" craving. *rolls eyes. But whatever. I was just trying to help. Pray tell, how is it funny? Do I have to expound more on the definition, if so I will do a cross-over with the two words you are questioning within the definition.
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:41 am
sistergoldenhair Jump_n_Jehoshaphat sistergoldenhair I just want to clarify a few things. When Lewis talks about lust being less harmful than hate, he's referring to the fact that hate comes straight out of hell. As does Pride. Pride was the sin of Lucifer he set himself above God and tried to take over heaven. When he talks about diabolical sins, he means stuff that comes out of hell. Lust is merely a twisted natural feeling that has been perverted from it's natural use, while Pride and Hate are actually "of the devil" (to use a phrase I passionately dislike). Lewis was very interested in what does more damage to the soul, i.e. what takes a person farther away from the mind of Christ, so when he talks about one sin being "worse" than the other he means that it was more damaging to the human soul that engaged in it. Now honestly, I can see lust/sex as a distraction from my life in God but not as a barrier to it. Mostly because mine's never gone much farther than checking out a guy in tight wranglers and thinking I'd like to have a swing like that in my backyard, but I digress. What keeps me from God is my pride, I don't think I need help, I think I should be able to get by without prayer and I feel like an idiot praying for my own needs....which is most definately NOT what should be going on with me! My pride, though it's subtle, very subtle, keeps me from being who God would have me be. In my pride, I want to love God solely for God, and not admit that I need him. Hate, well, hate is something straight out hell as well. It puts anger between ourselves and others and anger between us surrendering our feelings to the Lord. Now all are sin, all are disobedience, but hatred and pride, pride in particular, have a deep hold in the human soul and bring it nearer to Hell than lust....which is only natural desire twisted a bit. Is this a little more clear now? I meant to get to this sooner, but I had other things on my mind. All sin warrants death, clearly shown. (Romans 6:23) Any degree of sin would separate an individual from God. What proof do you have one sin is capable of distancing an individual further away from Jesus than another? How can one go further than death in the spiritual aspect? Further away from submission to the mending of it is what I'm referring to. I'm not interested in proving anything to you as the whole thing was for you benefit and not something in a court case. I don't fully understand what you are saying. Could you rephrase?
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:47 pm
Jump_n_Jehoshaphat sistergoldenhair Jump_n_Jehoshaphat sistergoldenhair I just want to clarify a few things. When Lewis talks about lust being less harmful than hate, he's referring to the fact that hate comes straight out of hell. As does Pride. Pride was the sin of Lucifer he set himself above God and tried to take over heaven. When he talks about diabolical sins, he means stuff that comes out of hell. Lust is merely a twisted natural feeling that has been perverted from it's natural use, while Pride and Hate are actually "of the devil" (to use a phrase I passionately dislike). Lewis was very interested in what does more damage to the soul, i.e. what takes a person farther away from the mind of Christ, so when he talks about one sin being "worse" than the other he means that it was more damaging to the human soul that engaged in it. Now honestly, I can see lust/sex as a distraction from my life in God but not as a barrier to it. Mostly because mine's never gone much farther than checking out a guy in tight wranglers and thinking I'd like to have a swing like that in my backyard, but I digress. What keeps me from God is my pride, I don't think I need help, I think I should be able to get by without prayer and I feel like an idiot praying for my own needs....which is most definately NOT what should be going on with me! My pride, though it's subtle, very subtle, keeps me from being who God would have me be. In my pride, I want to love God solely for God, and not admit that I need him. Hate, well, hate is something straight out hell as well. It puts anger between ourselves and others and anger between us surrendering our feelings to the Lord. Now all are sin, all are disobedience, but hatred and pride, pride in particular, have a deep hold in the human soul and bring it nearer to Hell than lust....which is only natural desire twisted a bit. Is this a little more clear now? I meant to get to this sooner, but I had other things on my mind. All sin warrants death, clearly shown. (Romans 6:23) Any degree of sin would separate an individual from God. What proof do you have one sin is capable of distancing an individual further away from Jesus than another? How can one go further than death in the spiritual aspect? Further away from submission to the mending of it is what I'm referring to. I'm not interested in proving anything to you as the whole thing was for you benefit and not something in a court case. I don't fully understand what you are saying. Could you rephrase? I'm not sure about the whole situation but I do know that when one has extreme pride they do not what to humble themselves before God. I think pride is an easier way to distance yourself if you will not humble yourself. I know it says somewhere in the Bible that God hates pride.(not exact words). Lets say you have pride and lust. If you will not humble yourself to God then you won't change your lustful ways either. If you can not humble yourself all those other sins will not disappear. You can't ask for forgiveness without humbling yourself. Pride can be connected to them all. Getting rid of pride can be the key. Also I already posted this , but speaking against the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin. I would say that that sin could distance you from Jesus beyond all others.
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:45 pm
Imotoku I'm not sure about the whole situation but I do know that when one has extreme pride they do not what to humble themselves before God. I think pride is an easier way to distance yourself if you will not humble yourself. I know it says somewhere in the Bible that God hates pride.(not exact words). Lets say you have pride and lust. If you will not humble yourself to God then you won't change your lustful ways either. If you can not humble yourself all those other sins will not disappear. You can't ask for forgiveness without humbling yourself. Pride can be connected to them all. Getting rid of pride can be the key. Also I already posted this , but speaking against the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin. I would say that that sin could distance you from Jesus beyond all others. I have stated many times. Spiritually all sin is held equal! Yes, there is an unforgivable sin, but every other will cause the second death just the same if committed and not repented for! One is non-repentable, and it is good to know that one, but ALL sin is held equally, as in, you'll be sent to Hell if judged, not repenting, for, any, sin. I need a stressball!... With all of your avatars on eet ;D.
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:36 pm
sistergoldenhair Jump_n_Jehoshaphat Also, about the loving your neightbor as your-self. If one lusts they do not love them-self very much, as they are sinning. It's on the same plain. I also realize lust is not sex. However, before sex there must be lust on the parties part. Sex would fall into the "world" category. Lust is inappropriate sexual feelings towards someone, not sexual feelings themselves. If I were married (which I am not) and I wanted to have sex with my husband beause I was horny, it would not involve lust since that particular man would be mine. Now, say I check my best friend's husband out and picture myself in bed with him. That's lust. That ain't mine. It's inappropriate sexual feelings towards someone. Attraction does not equal lust. If it is, God played a rather dirty trick on us as he gave us those feelings. OH, something I forgot to mention in the portion you quoted, I did not mean between those whom are married. I meant this toward individuals who are not married, or adulterous sweatdrop .
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:55 pm
Jump_n_Jehoshaphat Imotoku I'm not sure about the whole situation but I do know that when one has extreme pride they do not what to humble themselves before God. I think pride is an easier way to distance yourself if you will not humble yourself. I know it says somewhere in the Bible that God hates pride.(not exact words). Lets say you have pride and lust. If you will not humble yourself to God then you won't change your lustful ways either. If you can not humble yourself all those other sins will not disappear. You can't ask for forgiveness without humbling yourself. Pride can be connected to them all. Getting rid of pride can be the key. Also I already posted this , but speaking against the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin. I would say that that sin could distance you from Jesus beyond all others. I have stated many times. Spiritually all sin is held equal! Yes, there is an unforgivable sin, but every other will cause the second death just the same if committed and not repented for! One is non-repentable, and it is good to know that one, but ALL sin is held equally, as in, you'll be sent to Hell if judged, not repenting, for, any, sin. I need a stressball!... With all of your avatars on eet ;D. I know all sin is held equally. What I am saying is that if you can't humble yourself and ask for forgiveness then it doesn't matter. You would be unable to repent. Pride can be linked that way. If you do not cast away pride you can't ask God to get rid of the other sins because you are unable to accept the fact that you have to lower your status. Humbling yourself is the first step. If you skip the first step then the other steps are destroyed. To have pride is to lock the door of your heart on Jesus.
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:05 pm
Imotoku Jump_n_Jehoshaphat Imotoku I'm not sure about the whole situation but I do know that when one has extreme pride they do not what to humble themselves before God. I think pride is an easier way to distance yourself if you will not humble yourself. I know it says somewhere in the Bible that God hates pride.(not exact words). Lets say you have pride and lust. If you will not humble yourself to God then you won't change your lustful ways either. If you can not humble yourself all those other sins will not disappear. You can't ask for forgiveness without humbling yourself. Pride can be connected to them all. Getting rid of pride can be the key. Also I already posted this , but speaking against the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin. I would say that that sin could distance you from Jesus beyond all others. I have stated many times. Spiritually all sin is held equal! Yes, there is an unforgivable sin, but every other will cause the second death just the same if committed and not repented for! One is non-repentable, and it is good to know that one, but ALL sin is held equally, as in, you'll be sent to Hell if judged, not repenting, for, any, sin. I need a stressball!... With all of your avatars on eet ;D. I know all sin is held equally. What I am saying is that if you can't humble yourself and ask for forgiveness then it doesn't matter. You wouldn't be unable to repent. Pride can be linked that way. If you do not cast away pride you can't ask God to get rid of the other sins because you are unable to accept the fact that you have to lower your status. Humbling yourself is the first step. If you skip the first step then the other steps are destroyed. To have pride is to lock the door of your heart on Jesus. Sorry for the misconception. Agreed. Edit: Though, there are some who refuse to concede it appears...
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:12 pm
Here's a perspective my friend tossed at me. In whatever you do, you either worship God or slap Him in the face. To lust for someone else is commit adultery in your heart. Adultery is one of the ten commandments, which hangs off of the two main commandments. All of the commandments come into place when you follow the first commandment. If you, therefore, are not following all of the commandments, something is wrong with the first commandment. You are not loving the Lord your God with all of you heart, because you have given it up to the sinful desires of the flesh. When you hate someone, that is considered murder, and everything falls once again to not giving all of yourself to God. Both of these sins seem to be in the same boat, unless there is something else I am missing here. Lusting after someone instead of hating someone is not obeying this commandment any more. Whether hate or lust, it is not love, therefore it is not God.
heart Always,
Talitha
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:32 am
inimeniminimoe Also, about the loving your neightbor as your-self. If one lusts they do not love them-self very much, as they are sinning. It's on the same plain. I also realize lust is not sex. However, before sex there must be lust on the parties part. Sex would fall into the "world" category. 7th commandment says sex is a gift of god to married couples. So if your married and your...erm...'doing it' with your wife/husband, its no sin.
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:52 pm
  Sin is sin God hates it all .May God bless you all
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