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The way I see it, it's not so much wrong as it is a problem. A lot of people will turn to acting out sexually because of something gone wrong in their past (same with crime and such)
I guess it IS still lust, but I'm pretty sure God knows our hearts enough to make sence of it.
--Watson

then we should be thankful he allows us to die daily to our flesh. It's not like if you fall or mess up that it's the end of the line for you... then you just need to keep working to overcome it. and from what eldestructo says.... you are not alone in your fight... maybe you guys should make a private male support group. I mean.. i do believe some girls struggle with it.

but, if you do that... it isn't like you're going to violate your own virginity.

I really would like to touch on something else.. even though the notes aren't probably of much concern or thought for you the young people here.. it's mostly for couples... but... I personally feel that if one half of a couple does try to satisfy themselves that they are committing a silent offense for their partner. In a relationship, there is supposed to be a cycle of give and take and the meeting of one another's needs. When you have one half meeting their own needs, then when they go to bed, they don't need their mate to meet those needs while the other mate is left with needs unmet and neglected. I feel this is counterproductive in this setting. And, prolonged and continuous activity can lead to breakdowns in the relationship. I mean... sex is of course not the A all and B all of a relationship. However, it is not a stretch to say that the healthiness of your relationship is frequently and most of the time reflected in the bedroom... with exception of things like maybe when a female is pregnant and she is so devoid of energy she just isn't able to... or if one of them are battling cancer or stuff like that... but those really wouldn't be the norm.

So, IMO, I am not really feel as too worried about masturbation from a single person's perspective as i am from a married woman's perspective.

Well on a Chirstian stand point your are suppost to save yourself for your husband but on a health teacher standpoint it's supposted to be heathy so yeah there's both of the sides.

Heh. There actually is a "Christian Men's Guild" that I'm in right now. I haven't been there in a while. Just a sec... I'll post the link to it if anyone's interested.

and it always will be. If you don't have God, it just gets tougher. Life is the most difficult thing ever. God is testing you constantly, even when you don't think he is. He sees everything. So just be weary, and try to think about him constantly, that will keep your mind from wandering.
'When you don't think of God, your mind starts to wonder, it turns into Lust, Lust turns into temptation, and temptation turn to sin.'

yeah. maybe even Lith... surprised no way. he's perfect! [/sarcasm]

Thats a good question, I guess it all depends on your definition of virginity. Its it not having sex with someone else or is it not having a climax? Which do you think makes more sense in terms of waiting to have sex for marriage?