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 Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:52 pm
tenshinohana-chan Quote: It should be pretty obvious Sakura is over Sasuke. I mean, she didn't even do anything when Team 7 had their "reunion." Really, I think everything's she doing now is for Naruto.
And when she charged at Sasuke, that was all for Naruto, wasn't it? It wasn't like she really wanted to bring back Sasuke for Sasuke's sake, but for Naruto's sake. ZOMG, it really IS NaruSaku love! Gawd, how could I not have seen all those EXPLICITLY BLATANT NARUSAKU HINTS before? I'm so stupid not to have seen that!
...and let's act like she didn't utterly reject Naruto in 312, either.
Well, bloody dripping sarcasm (the sacred language!) aside, I LAUGH at all these NaruSaku-ers. They are utterly pointless when trying to get their "points" across. Not only that, but they put the good NaruSaku-ers (the ones who respect other pairings and actually argue brilliantly) to shame. Maybe if some of the obnoxious NaruSaku fans spent more time trying to bring up points about NaruSaku without putting SasuSaku (and SasuSaku fans) down, they'd actually get somewhere. It is possible. Many just don't try. It's always "Oh I hate this pairing and I always will no matter what, so in order to make such and such look good, I have to put this down. I mean, no WAY is this a better pairing than this; I'll make people realize it." When in essence, I see them all just being asses. But my point aside, you guys are doing great with the debating stuff. Now I'm off to look for a new topic.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:34 pm
Quote: And just what proof is there that Naruto and Sakura won't get thogether?! There the main characters (boy and girl) for pete's sake! It's the shounen rule that the two will get together. And plus, Sakura will probably get over Sasuke. She'll realize that she can't love somebody like that. Sasuke can never love her either. sigh. why won't you sasusaku fans get this? stop trying to delude yourselves. First and foremost, always follow the rule of thumb: Never say never. Two, Sasuke IS a main character. Just what makes you think he isn't? Three, there is no "shounen rule" that states that a certain coupling must happen. I can list several anime that don't follow this rule. Dragon Ball Z is an example. Goku the main boy married Chi Chi, the shy girl who liked him. She was not the main girl, Bulma was. But back to Naruto: We (the sasusaku fans) are allowed to ship any damn pairing we please. Why don't you anti-SasuSaku fans understand this? rolleyes Sakura will not, I repeat NOT wake up one day and go "oh, Sasuke's an a** I never liked him." Despite what you think, Sakura didn't merely just "crush" on Sasuke- there would have been no point for her love confession in Chapter 181 had it only been that. She was in love to the point that she was willing to throw away her own life for his sake. And she STILL loves him, she's still pushing herself to grow stronger so that she can help Naruto bring Sasuke back. And yes, Sasuke will probably be redeemed. I've said this before, but I believe that whole point of Kishimoto comparing Team 7 to the Legendary Sannin trio was to show the direct contrast- that Team 7 was not going to face the same ending. Also, Naruto and Sakura CANNOT have a lovey-dovey relationship of any sort without Sasuke. BOTH of them , not just Sakura, are going to bring Sasuke back. Finally, don't say that Sasuke will never love. He's not capable of love just yet, but that's because he has a mission in life that he cannot distract himself from. Afterward, it IS possible that Sasuke can love. Afterall, it was shown that he already cared greatly for Naruto and Sakura.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:39 pm
Quote: And just what proof is there that Naruto and Sakura won't get thogether?! Quote: There the main characters (boy and girl) for pete's sake! It's the shounen rule that the two will get together. Quote: And plus, Sakura will probably get over Sasuke. She'll realize that she can't love somebody like that. Sasuke can never love her either.
And WHAT IS WITH PEOPLE SAYING SASUKE CAN'T LOVE?! ....OMG. People, Uchiha Sasuke is a human being, whether he likes it or not. He DOES have emotions, no matter how seemigly nonexistant they are.
He loathes Itachi with a passion, correct? Is that an emotion? YES. He gets angry that he doesn't have power. Is that an emotion? YES. He broods. THAT IS AN EMOTION, TOO. I hate it how people seem to believe that just because Sasuke isn't a happy person, he's incapable of being one, or being anything for that matter. Sasuke DOES INDEED have passion people. Where is it?
Revenge. Sasuke's passion is for revenge. And when revenge is over, his passion can very well latch to something else. Will it be Sakura? Maybe not so soon. Maybe not at all. But it will still be there.Quote: sigh. why won't you sasusaku fans get this? stop trying to delude yourselves.
DELUDE ourselves? Excuse us for supporting something we like. Isn't there enough evidence that SasuSaku CAN become canon? I think it's a helluva lot more than NaruSaku, anyway. I don't think I've seen ONE scene, where Sakura has ever given Naruto attention showing that she likes him romantically in ANY way, and I haven't seen a single scene where Naruto's feelings for Sakura are more than just infatuation; a crush. (And you can't say the Yamato/Sakura scene...because Yamato had practically JUST MET Naruto and Sakura. >> SO how would he really know? Plus, he didn't even finish the sentence? He might have be going to say something totally different.)
I WOULD say the same for SasuSaku, but Chapter 181/Episode 109, to me, PROVES that even if Sakura doesn't love Sasuke now, that she DID love him, and that love was more than a best friend/teammate love.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:44 pm
Quote: And just what proof is there that Naruto and Sakura won't get thogether?! There the main characters (boy and girl) for pete's sake! It's the shounen rule that the two will get together. And plus, Sakura will probably get over Sasuke. She'll realize that she can't love somebody like that. Sasuke can never love her either. sigh. why won't you sasusaku fans get this? stop trying to delude yourselves.
Who the heck came up with shounen rules? That's just stupid. There's no originality to stories if every manga author followed these "rules".
Fine, Kishimoto might have Sakura get over Sasuke but why would he develop Sakura's feelings toward Sasuke in Part 1 and then make it go to waste in Part 2?
If she was to realize she can't love someone like Sasuke, she would've realized that when he left to see Orochimaru. But she didn't give up on him. She spent 2 years training hard with Tsunade to get him back. She did all that because she loves him and wants him home. And if you think Sakura does not love Sasuke, I kindly suggest watching episode 109 or reading chapter 181 again.
And who says Sasuke will never love Sakura? Sasuke loves Sakura. Not romantically but he does care. Will he love Sakura romantically one day? It's very possible. Sasuke can love. He's human.
Your last statement is very low. We read the lastest chapers and we know what's going on with the series. We can still like the SasuSaku pairing even if all the anti-SasuSaku people think it's "dead". Why? Because we all know the pairing still has a chance of becoming canon. We support the pairing no matter what. You should respect that.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:23 pm
Quote: And just what proof is there that Naruto and Sakura won't get thogether?! There the main characters (boy and girl) for pete's sake! It's the shounen rule that the two will get together. And plus, Sakura will probably get over Sasuke. She'll realize that she can't love somebody like that. Sasuke can never love her either. sigh. why won't you sasusaku fans get this? stop trying to delude yourselves.
HAH.
Moment over. Now to get down to business..
First of all, proof that the two won't get together.. hmm.. let me try this:
Sakura loves Sasuke. Sakura will not throw away her feelings so easily. She will not suddenly wake up and realize she never loved Sasuke to begin with. That is just NOT how her character works. She is NOT the type to give up easily.
No, I'm not saying that it's a proven fact that she still does and always will love Sasuke, and I'm just saying.. her feelings were said to be genuine, and that's exactly how I'm looking at them.
As for Naruto, you know.. to me, he just doesn't seem interested in a relationship right now. Currently, he's focused on getting Sasuke back. Yeah, he may still have a crush on Sakura, or love her, or whatever -- but Kishimoto doesn't seem to be focusing on his romantic interest right now. He's focusing on both Naruto and Sakura's desire to bring Sasuke back, not Naruto and Sakura's desire to be together[for which I have seen practically NO evidence].
The main characters of Naruto: Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura. Yes, in that order. Kakashi may be one, but with as little as he's been seen lately, I'm just not thinking that way. Anyway.. yeah, so, Naruto and Sasuke are the top two main characters. What, does that mean they HAVE to end up together? No. Sakura's the third main character, but that doesn't mean she's not important. She has played a major role in the series, and will continue doing so. She is important to both Naruto and Sasuke, but that does not mean she HAS to end up with either of them.
[This person just proved my point about NaruSaku being a cliche pairing.]
A "shounen rule"? A "shounen rule" rule my a**. Come on, show me this big book of "shounen rules" and maybe I'll believe you. There are things that happen most of the time, things that usually happen, things that will probably never happen, etc. -- but as of now, there are NO rules.
She can't love somebody like that? She ALREADY loves somebody like that, for crying out loud. And I don't want any of this "she fell in love for what he stood for" crap, either. She knew who Sasuke was; she fell in love with the REAL Sasuke. She knew him VERY well. How else would you explain her knowing that Sasuke would leave the night he did? She could feel it, she expected it. So there.
Sasuke can -- AGH. Again with the "Sasuke can never love" BS. I've said it before, but I'll say it again: a person who is capable of such hate is also capable of love, as unlikely as it may seem. After all, he is/was fighting to avenge the family he loves, right? Sure, he doesn't look like he can be a very loving and caring person right now, but after he defeats Itachi, there's a chance he can change. And he is perfectly capable of loving Sakura.
Au contraire, my friend. Why can't you anti-SasuSaku fans stop trying to delude yourselves? SasuSaku is a fairly possible pairing, as is every other pairing.
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:15 am
Quote: And just what proof is there that Naruto and Sakura won't get thogether?! Quote: There the main characters (boy and girl) for pete's sake! It's the shounen rule that the two will get together.
There is no such thing as shounen rules. Shounen only means that it is directed to the male population, nothing else. Although the cliche is that the main boy and girl end up together.
Kishi wanting no cliche + (main boy x main girl) = 20% possibility of NaruSaku.
I really have no idea why SasuSaku bashers/NaruSaku-ers always cite this so-called "rules of shounen". If Kishi is following any kind of guideline in making Naruto, it's the plotline of DBZ and other anime that inspired him.Quote: And plus, Sakura will probably get over Sasuke. She'll realize that she can't love somebody like that.
Muhahaha, I rub chap 312 in your faces, NaruSaku-ers.
Quote: Sasuke can never love her either. Quote: sigh. why won't you sasusaku fans get this? stop trying to delude yourselves.
Maybe it's this poster who needs to stop taking hallucinogens and demand SasuSaku can never exist.
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:42 am
Quote: And just what proof is there that Naruto and Sakura won't get thogether?! There the main characters (boy and girl) for pete's sake! It's the shounen rule that the two will get together. And plus, Sakura will probably get over Sasuke. She'll realize that she can't love somebody like that. Sasuke can never love her either. sigh. why won't you sasusaku fans get this? stop trying to delude yourselves.
The main girl x main guy 'rule'? Fortunately, I've seen many NaruSaku supporters say they are sick of people saying that to defend their pairing. Kishi has said it before, 'screw rules' hes going to write Naruto the way he wants to write it. And according to him, he already knows exactly how it's going to end. He also doesn't want Naruto to end up cliche and like every other series out there. Thats not really in support of NaruSaku, now is it? So you can just throw this so-called 'shounen rule' out of the window because Kishi doesn't give a damn.
The show is not in support of 'giving up'. Its about working towards your dreams. At the start of the series when they are put together into Team 7 and are told to introduce themselves, they all said their dreams. Naruto's was to become Hokage, Sasuke's was to avenge his family and rebuild his clan and Sakura's was to win Sasuke's heart. There you go. What do you mean shes going to 'realise' she can't love someone like that? Just randomly on some random morning? I don't think so. I can accept NaruSaku if Kishi does something about Sakura's love for Sasuke which according to the databook her 'passion' for him has not changed. And its not about loving someone because they are 'like that'. You can't help but love someone no matter what they are and how they are. Sakura loves Sasuke. She can't just tell herself to not love him, its just not that easy.
Sasuke can love her. But he cannot show it to her or admit it openly unless he kills Itachi. Sasuke is like Naruto and Sakura, he is human. He can love. He just cannot be at ease and settle down peacefully unless he has avenged his family that he loves who unfortunately all died.
I don't see how we are deluding ourselves. You simply can't accept the fact that SasuSaku is immensly possible like any other pairing.
(I just wanted to comment on the persons post above me. I kinda disagree with the 'Lee' thing. I believe NaruSaku has always had a better chance than LeeSaku could ever have.)
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:37 pm
Quote: And just what proof is there that Naruto and Sakura won't get thogether?! There the main characters (boy and girl) for pete's sake! It's the shounen rule that the two will get together. And plus, Sakura will probably get over Sasuke. She'll realize that she can't love somebody like that. Sasuke can never love her either. sigh. why won't you sasusaku fans get this? stop trying to delude yourselves. Are you stupid or do you pretend to be? In any case...I'll start by pointing out that there isn't proof that NaruSaku WON'T happen as there is no proof that NaruSaku WILL happen. Besides, as far as I know Team 7 are the main characters. Note: character s! Sasuke is just as important as Sakura and Naruto. They are the main characters. As for your second statement, it could happen. But the deep love she felt for him will never go away. A deep love such as what Sakura felt over Sasuke can't go away so easily. She may not love him at the moment, maybe, but is possible that she may grow those feelings again. To me, her dissapointment in Sasuke has made her feelings go away a little. But not forever. Sasuke, can't love now. He is a vengeful character who isn't capable of love. His life spins around Itachi. His life IS Itachi's death. Until he can accomplish what he has lived for, love is just a trivial thing for him. If Sasuke hadn't had had his messed up childhood, he might've loved. Still, a everyone crushes on someone. Sasuke may not love Sakura, but he could've had a slight crush on her.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:45 pm
Just try and guess where I picked this up from.
Quote: Is sakura a bit of a slut? hay,hay...not flaming. its just that, well. she "loved" sasuke and lats face it. he was a jerk, an a*****e and nothing but a pretty face. when you get down to the facts she is nothing but...a shallow little girl that cares nothing for a persons character How does loving someone make you a SLUT?! First and foremost, I must say that I am OFFENDED that you would even suggest so. Secondly, you are outmost shallow if you think Sakura only loved Sasuke, is only willing to put her LIFE on the line just because she thinks Sasuke is "hot." Yes, she had a crush on him back before she even knew much about him. But later, when she starts learning about him, about his tragic life, she is more willing that ever to give her self up for sasuke. And you are wrongwrong WRONG on the second part of your statement. Sakura DOES know Sasuke's character. It's that part of him that she loves the most. She cared for him, worried for him and brought him flowers daily when he was in the hospital. She stepped in front of an injured Sasuke when Gaara was about to attack him beause she cared for him. She cried for him and begged and even told him she would go with him to Sound. That's how much she was willing to do for Sasuke. This is not just something a person does for another because he or she thinks that person is "hot." Quite the contrary. [/fumes]
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:42 pm
Quote: Is sakura a bit of a slut? hay,hay...not flaming. its just that, well. she "loved" sasuke and lats face it. he was a jerk, an a*****e and nothing but a pretty face. when you get down to the facts she is nothing but...a shallow little girl that cares nothing for a persons character
How dare you. Sakura? A slut? So I guess falling in love automatically makes us sluts? I wonder what definition of slut you are look at. A slut is a woman considered sexually promiscuous. Sakua is nothing like that. And Sakura does and sincerely loves Sasuke. And believe the databook cleary states this. Her feelings towards Sasuke might be a crush at first
but I can assure you they developed into love. She began to understand him in time. And Sakura does know Sasuke's character. His looks doesn't matter anymore to her. She loves Sasuke because he's Sasuke.
Sakura is so far from shallow. Would considering betraying your family, your friends, and your entire village just to be with someone you love be shallow? She even cried, begged, tempted him with happiness, and threatened the scream for just to make him stay. And also, Sakura has made a lot of sacrifices for him and done so much. She truly cares for Sasuke. And believe me, her actions are not shallow at all.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:36 pm
Quote: Is sakura a bit of a slut? hay,hay...not flaming. its just that, well. she "loved" sasuke and lats face it. he was a jerk, an a*****e and nothing but a pretty face. when you get down to the facts she is nothing but...a shallow little girl that cares nothing for a persons character
Here's the thing. She didn't "love" Sasuke. She loves Sasuke, without the quotation marks. How does that make her a slut, even if she only though she was in love with him?
Just as you said, he was a jerk and an a*****e, and that just goes to show how much you know about Sasuke's character. He wasn't just that - he was a guy who managed to care deeply about his friends when he thought he couldn't.
And you just managed to contradict yourself. If Sasuke was really a jerk, then why the hell does Sakura persist on loving him? It's because she goes beyond appearance, unlike what you said. She didn't stop loving him even if all he showed her was his bad side. She knew there was a caring Sasuke somewhere, even if he didn't like to admit it. She managed to get to know him better throughout their time together, and accepted and loved him more for it. So how is that shallow?
Here's another thought. Maybe YOU'RE shallow. You're the one who sees Sasuke that way only anyway.
I'll hazard a guess at NF, Boss-chan. Gawd, I hate going in there.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:48 pm
tenshinohana-chan I'll hazard a guess at NF, Boss-chan. Gawd, I hate going in there. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the logic of someone from NF. However, in this case, it's much closer to home. Think Gaia. Think Guilds.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:59 pm
i m o g e n tenshinohana-chan I'll hazard a guess at NF, Boss-chan. Gawd, I hate going in there. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the logic of someone from NF. However, in this case, it's much closer to home. Think Gaia. Think Guilds.
Or maybe the Naruto Girls guild? I've been seeing some haters there lately... Or My Way of the Ninja?
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:18 pm
tenshinohana-chan i m o g e n tenshinohana-chan I'll hazard a guess at NF, Boss-chan. Gawd, I hate going in there. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the logic of someone from NF. However, in this case, it's much closer to home. Think Gaia. Think Guilds.
Or maybe the Naruto Girls guild? I've been seeing some haters there lately... Or My Way of the Ninja?Non~ Never our guild. <3 One of the Naruto guilds, yes. Eh, either way. I suppose this could be the logic of many people. Which is unfortunate. And stupid. >|
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