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 Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:16 am
My mother had three miscarrages, and her and one of my brothers both almost died because of a placenta rupture. I'd love to see how people can go on and on about how that is so sad and they are so happy they made it, but they still say they can kill their own children wihtout any second thoughts.
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:36 pm
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:19 pm
That's exactly why I'm pro-life, Zelequies. My mom had a miscarriage, and after seeing how much pain it caused her and my father, I always frowned upon a woman's option to do that exact same thing to her child, but at her own will. It's just left a sour taste in my mouth when I think about it, and, well. I never found myself as a person who could ever support that.
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:24 am
Ame no Tenshi scream Ok, Ame is extremely angry at the moment. So I'm back in this thread. And this girl is like "Well what if the mother is wanting a career" and gave all these excuses. I'm like "Close your freaking legs. Take the pill do SOMETHING" So this other girl comes in and shes like "I'd kill them. I don't believe in adoption. Its morally wrong. So its ok to kill your baby, but its not ok to give them to a good home? Wow. People.Are.Retarded.
I think that's awful. That is the *lamest* argument ever... neutral
As for miscarriages, my mom had one before me... I would have had a big brother or sister... he or she would have been 19 pretty soon here. I, too, can't understand why someone would purposely kill their child when so many mothers are grieving because theirs died.
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:55 am
My mother actually tried to abort me. A last minute abortion kind of thing. She was sick, had an accident and the doctor said it was her life or mine. She chose her own life. My father had no say in it because it was HER choice. The doctor took matters into his own hands, and we are both alive today. I am almost 19 years old, and I am a very firm Pro-Lifer. My mother who swears to this day that she loves me, had the nerve to want to kill me because she had a 10% chance of dying if the doctor would have made one slip up while trying to save me, then her. Me on the other hand, they gave me a 2% chance of living if he would have performed the surgery on her and forgot about me. I would choose my kid to live. Ive lived my life, I will not kill my perfectly healthy baby (as far as I can tell) just because I fear death. I believe my child deserves a chance to live to.
Any mother who really loves her kids would tell you she would rather die herself than see her child die. She would sacrifice herself for her child.
Thats all I have to say about that. (Sorry about rambling)
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:20 am
that is a very beautiful story. i'm glad you were both allowed your lives.
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:39 pm
I concur with Seraph.
I'm glad you're here, SoldierGirl. 'Cause here in the PLG, we respect our existances and each others'. ^ ^
Here's another question of mine.
How can someone be morally against bearing children, but have absolutely nothing against casual sex or abortion?
How does that work out?
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:26 pm
Ame no Tenshi scream Ok, Ame is extremely angry at the moment. So I'm back in this thread. And this girl is like "Well what if the mother is wanting a career" and gave all these excuses. I'm like "Close your freaking legs. Take the pill do SOMETHING" So this other girl comes in and shes like "I'd kill them. I don't believe in adoption. Its morally wrong. So its ok to kill your baby, but its not ok to give them to a good home? Wow. People.Are.Retarded. I can't believe some think that letting the child live, even if they are in adoption center is morally wrong yet killing them is perfectly fine...there is something wrong there.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:47 pm
Ebony the Peacian Vampire
How can someone be morally against bearing children, but have absolutely nothing against casual sex or abortion?
How does that work out?
Ok, I know I'm pro-choice and everything, but I couldn't help making myself heard when I read all this (if you don't want to listen, blame yourselves for making this guild public). First off, pro-choicers aren't against bearing children. They're against women not having a right to decide. Secondly, most people don't have an abortion after the 3rd month. Up to and through the third month, the little organism could just as well turn out to be a rabbit if it weren't for it's parents. Not to mention that the first month, the embryo is merely a clum of cells with a beating heart. Could be a horse-fly for all we know. 2nd month, not much improvement. So for all you're ranting about killing babies, the mothers are, for the most part, killing things that don't have a conscience, while many of you, I'm sure, wouldn't give much thought to killing thier conscious, pain-feeling counterparts. Thirdly, if you were actually a mother-to-be, which of these would you choose for your beloved child-to-be: A quick, painless death or One painful year of life with a cleft lip, damaged heart, damaged brain, and damaged head before dying despite all your best efforts?
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:09 pm
Quote: First off, pro-choicers aren't against bearing children. They're against women not having a right to decide. We never said they wernt. We have said, how ever, that a woman has made her choice the moment she decided to have concentual sex. We hold to having that woman answer to her responcibilities now that the end result is apparent as apposed to her just shirking them. Quote: Secondly, most people don't have an abortion after the 3rd month We know. But it still happens, for reason other then th emothers health and rape it seem thanks to Dr. Tiller. Quote: Up to and through the third month, the little organism could just as well turn out to be a rabbit if it weren't for it's parents. Not to mention that the first month, the embryo is merely a clum of cells with a beating heart. Could be a horse-fly for all we know. 2nd month, not much improvement. So for all you're ranting about killing babies, the mothers are, for the most part, killing things that don't have a conscience, while many of you, I'm sure, wouldn't give much thought to killing thier conscious, pain-feeling counterparts. No, through out all those stages the fetus is very much human, the Z/E/F is human form th emoment of conception. So says science and logic. It dosn't matter if its conscious and cappable of feelign pain. That right there, that excuse, that its unconscious and incapable of feelign pain, makes the situation much worse. "Its okay, it won't feel it or know whats happaning." And that last comment was just throwing slander, ******** off if your goign to do that. We care very much for the mother just as much as we do her unborn child. If I were a woman and a mother to be, i would most assuredly bring my child to term and give that child the best year of its life and hope for the best in medical science as apposed to killign her out right and never knowing what would be.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:17 pm
petit_diable the mothers are, for the most part, killing things that don't have a conscience, while many of you, I'm sure, wouldn't give much thought to killing thier conscious, pain-feeling counterparts. I really don't have time. I wish I did, but my shop's in the beginning of an event, I have two orders to fill, and about 30 updates to do on pets. But I can't really pass this one. If you're referring to the mother, then you're absolutely wrong. It's pro-life, not pro-fetus. If you're referring to the placenta, then you're most likely right.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:29 pm
Cyanna Quote: Ok, I know I'm pro-choice and everything, but I couldn't help making myself heard when I read all this (if you don't want to listen, blame yourselves for making this guild public). Not to be picky, but I feel I should warn you ahead of time that you may get a rather angry response. The PLG is our "safe haven" if you will. It's not an open invitation for a free-for-all, We're not a debate guild. This is not middle ground. And in all honesty, very few of us want to engage in pro-life/choice debate in our own "home". The only reason we keep it public is to show that we have nothing to hide. Making it hidden kinda generates suspicion that way....and it did for the short period of time it WAS hidden. Quote: Secondly, most people don't have an abortion after the 3rd month. Up to and through the third month, the little organism could just as well turn out to be a rabbit if it weren't for it's parents. Not to mention that the first month, the embryo is merely a clum of cells with a beating heart. Could be a horse-fly for all we know. 2nd month, not much improvement. But it's not a rabbit or a horsefly or anything else. A simple DNA test will prove that it is a human. I human embryo cannot grow into anything else but a human baby. Quote: Thirdly, if you were actually a mother-to-be, which of these would you choose for your beloved child-to-be: A quick, painless death or One painful year of life with a cleft lip, damaged heart, damaged brain, and damaged head before dying despite all your best efforts? A difficult choice of course...but even though that child has a damaged heart and head and brain.....he/she still has value. Once the nervous system develops (which can be evident by a beating heart), abortion is hardly painless. The majority of abortions are not made in cases like these. Most of them are not even made for cases of rape. Most of them are due to motherhood being an inconveniece. I'm not trying to belittle this inconvenience at all. The LAST thing I think is that most women abort for fun. I give women a lot more credit than that...and some sympathy to some degree. If your boyfriend is a jerk, if your parents theaten to throw you out of the house, if you're going to lose your job, if you have to quit school....those are very real and difficult decisions we women have to face should we become mothers. But abortion is only a shallow quick fix for a much deeper problem. Women who opt not to abort still have to deal with that...s**t. And they shouldn't be punished like that just because they decided to let the one party who never asked to be brought into their mess in the first place....live. Abortion will never be able to solve that. It's only an excuse to postpone what women really need....for society to accept us....all of us...not just the childless ones. We ARE women and yes, we DO get pregnant and it IS difficult. Even if abortion remains legal, the number of abortions will significantly reduce if women stop finding reasons to have them.
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:23 am
That last paragraph amazed me.
<3333
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:03 am
I'd actaully be depressed to know that my mom could have easily killed me. I'd always wonder in the back of my head "what if I was born a few years earlier, when she thought she couldn't take care of a child...?"
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