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 Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:02 am
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:04 am
I am completely and 100% against gay marriage.
God clearly states that homosexuality is wrong several times in the Bible.
Marriage is supposed to be a sacred act between a man and a woman.
In some places they are FORCING priests and ministers to perform gay marriages; if they refuse, they are stripped of their title.
Now, this completely contradicts everything North America stands for! The US and Canada are supposed to be considered FREE countries; where everyone has the same rights.
Yet if we make someone partake in an act which they believe to be sinful, is this not taking away that person's very own freedom?!
I think that if gay people want to be part of some type of ritual where they are brought together under the government, it would be fine...but to call in marriage under God??
It's absolutely ludicrus.
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:03 am
pale september I am completely and 100% against gay marriage.
God clearly states that homosexuality is wrong several times in the Bible.
Marriage is supposed to be a sacred act between a man and a woman.
In some places they are FORCING priests and ministers to perform gay marriages; if they refuse, they are stripped of their title.
Now, this completely contradicts everything North America stands for! The US and Canada are supposed to be considered FREE countries; where everyone has the same rights.
Yet if we make someone partake in an act which they believe to be sinful, is this not taking away that person's very own freedom?!
I think that if gay people want to be part of some type of ritual where they are brought together under the government, it would be fine...but to call in marriage under God??
It's absolutely ludicrus. Though I'm sure there are many gay people who are Christian and would like for their marriage to be recognized under God, I do not think that is the main focus here. Personally, I would like to be able to claim a dependent on my taxes. In the US, is every marriage between a man and a woman so sacred? A friend of mine got married last week to her friend--not because she loves him, but because she'll be making at least $2000 more a month. (Don't really understand why. Says it's an army thing.) If you consider that a sacred marriage, then geez, my marriage is going to be incredibly sacred. razz A Satanist Irish immigrant with an American atheist mixed girl. biggrin No priest will be forced to marry any gay people were it legal in the US. Seperation of church and state has some prevailence. The state cannot dictate who does and does not hold certain religious titles. If someone is stripped of their title for denying such a marriage, it would be due to their church administration disapproving of their denying such marriages. Marriage is not only a Christian thing. Infact, it existed much before the birth of Christianity. Mm, forgot what else I was going to say... Off to work. ^.~
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:01 am
Se Ga Takai i like burnination Shorty Morality is relative to those whom try and define it. Everyone runs a different standard, Every culture carries a different code of conduct, and to attempt and force your own code on another person is BS. i can't believe you would even consider moral relativism ... moral relativism is complete BS. utter and complete nonsense, claptrap, garbage, and any other name one could think of to describe an idea that destroys society AND weakens Christians. i think Jesus said "I am the TRUTH". just saying. He seemed pretty important. :] also, relativism simply doesn't work. if there's no absolute truth or that everyone has a different standard, who are you to tell me anything? how can you say that relativism is true? stop imposing your beliefs on me. Person A believes something is wrong, Person B believes it is fine. What do you call that? someone is right and the other is wrong. plain and simple. they can't both be right otherwise that wouldn't make sense.
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:10 am
i like burnination Se Ga Takai i like burnination Shorty Morality is relative to those whom try and define it. Everyone runs a different standard, Every culture carries a different code of conduct, and to attempt and force your own code on another person is BS. i can't believe you would even consider moral relativism ... moral relativism is complete BS. utter and complete nonsense, claptrap, garbage, and any other name one could think of to describe an idea that destroys society AND weakens Christians. i think Jesus said "I am the TRUTH". just saying. He seemed pretty important. :] also, relativism simply doesn't work. if there's no absolute truth or that everyone has a different standard, who are you to tell me anything? how can you say that relativism is true? stop imposing your beliefs on me. Person A believes something is wrong, Person B believes it is fine. What do you call that? someone is right and the other is wrong. plain and simple. they can't both be right otherwise that wouldn't make sense. and to them, they are right, you are wrong.
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:12 pm
Se Ga Takai i like burnination Se Ga Takai i like burnination Shorty Morality is relative to those whom try and define it. Everyone runs a different standard, Every culture carries a different code of conduct, and to attempt and force your own code on another person is BS. i can't believe you would even consider moral relativism ... moral relativism is complete BS. utter and complete nonsense, claptrap, garbage, and any other name one could think of to describe an idea that destroys society AND weakens Christians. i think Jesus said "I am the TRUTH". just saying. He seemed pretty important. :] also, relativism simply doesn't work. if there's no absolute truth or that everyone has a different standard, who are you to tell me anything? how can you say that relativism is true? stop imposing your beliefs on me. Person A believes something is wrong, Person B believes it is fine. What do you call that? someone is right and the other is wrong. plain and simple. they can't both be right otherwise that wouldn't make sense. and to them, they are right, you are wrong. they think they're right, but that doesn't actually make either of them right. but one of them must be right and the other wrong. truth is not dependant upon humans, but instead upon a much higher Being who is the source of truth. don't try and take God out of the picture when dealing with truth.
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:02 pm
pale september I am completely and 100% against gay marriage.
God clearly states that homosexuality is wrong several times in the Bible.
Marriage is supposed to be a sacred act between a man and a woman.
In some places they are FORCING priests and ministers to perform gay marriages; if they refuse, they are stripped of their title.
Now, this completely contradicts everything North America stands for! The US and Canada are supposed to be considered FREE countries; where everyone has the same rights.
Yet if we make someone partake in an act which they believe to be sinful, is this not taking away that person's very own freedom?!
I think that if gay people want to be part of some type of ritual where they are brought together under the government, it would be fine...but to call in marriage under God??
It's absolutely ludicrus.
You are saying that homosexuals are not people? I'm going to assume that you aren't saying that, since I would be removed from Gaia if I even started on my rant about that one.
~insert random sin here~
As has been mentioned before, marriage is really just a legal contract ~sin~ binding two people together, for an unspecified length of time. Sure, it's often used as a purely religious thing... but it isn't. You don't need to be religious to be married. A Wiccan and... say... an atheist can, indeed, get married... and we plan to...
Anyway.
Ludicris.
This word has several meanings.
1->A very bad rapper.
2->"broadly or extravagantly humorous; resembling farce"*
3->"Laughable or hilarious because of obvious absurdity or incongruity"*
* pulled from dictionary.com
1) has nothing to do with the topic at hand. 2) and 3), on the other hand, have everything to do with it. I don't know about you... or even the gay comunity as a whole, but I find nothing humourous, laughable, or absurd about gay marriage. I smell some serious human rights violations.
And don't even try to tell me that there aren't any. Because then you're saying that gays aren't people, and you can go to FREAKING JAIL FOR THAT!!!
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:33 pm
Se Ga Takai sources. Sources. SOURCES. Until you can pull some Sources that the founding fathers were Christian, you are nothing more than annoying. Until you can pull some Sources that Homosexual Men are more likely to contract STD's, you are seen as ignorant. Until you can give some Sources on what you are attempting to blather, you make no point worth noting. Quote: the tissue lining the rectum is the most absorbent of all the body's tissues, suggesting that they may have an increased risk of transmitting sexually transmitted diseases. pale september I am completely and 100% against gay marriage.
God clearly states that homosexuality is wrong several times in the Bible.
Marriage is supposed to be a sacred act between a man and a woman.
In some places they are FORCING priests and ministers to perform gay marriages; if they refuse, they are stripped of their title.
Now, this completely contradicts everything North America stands for! The US and Canada are supposed to be considered FREE countries; where everyone has the same rights.
Yet if we make someone partake in an act which they believe to be sinful, is this not taking away that person's very own freedom?!
I think that if gay people want to be part of some type of ritual where they are brought together under the government, it would be fine...but to call in marriage under God??
It's absolutely ludicrus.
And to reinforce what Jazz said...By stating that it goes against a Priest's rights to be forced to perform a gay marriage (which is likely BS anyway) and neglecting the rights of the gay couple, you are either a) Putting the rights and freedoms of a priest above those of any other person becuase they are a religious figurehead, or b) saying that gays are not people, which better not be the case, becuase I too would be removed from Gaia if I started on that rant.
Marriage does not have to be a religious act. *Break to sin with fiancee*. It can be, as I said, be performed by a justice of the peace and be a legal, governmental document that has jack all to do with religion. I am Wiccan, my fiancee is an Atheist. Neither are obviously of an *Accepted* religion, but we are still getting married. So there goes that argument.
And I will say it one last time. God made all His children in His image. So He made gays. So He must have had homosexual tendancies if gays were made in His image. And if all else fails: God is all forgiving, he will forgive you for being gay if you are.
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