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 Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:49 pm
Shanna66 ~Lord Nightsorrow~ Eric Wolfborn chaos_lupin Eric Wolfborn Anne Rice vampires are as far from vampire lore as it gets. Historical vampires are plump and ruddy, seldom venturing far from their grave site. They lack signifigant intelligence and only prey on the weak and ill. While they possess basic locomotive capabilities and some speach, they lack the cognitive capacity to make any but the simplest of gestures, and operating anything more complex than a hammer or a doornob would be a task. Their regular need to feed, coupled with an unwillingness to stray far from a grave site would create a clear pattern of victims, and forensic evidence would have exposed them long ago. Vampires are woefully innefective hunters, and can only last any period of time in desolate, hard to reach areas. If you want to talk lifestylers, sure, people who act like vampires exist. Hell, some even drink blood and wear sunglasses at night. Of course, this doesn't make them vampires; it makes them actors. As for 'psy vamps,' well, let me say that the idea of a psychic vampire is about as big a load of bull as you're liable to run across. A psychic vampire is little more than a sod with a shitty personality who drains the life from people around them. It's not mystical; it's just someone being annoying, or boring enough to drain the fun from a room. Back in the day we called them 'losers.' At the very best, a psychic vampire may be an empath...at best. up yours I'm probly smarter then you even the retarded ones are smarter then you and we're not fat!!!!!!! scream I don't think I need to add anything to this. cause u dont kno a good comeback and u think u kno everything about the supernatural when u dont and i agree with the chaos_lupin No, it's ok. Large words and well formed arguements are a scary thing. It's only logical for a primitive intellect to lash out at unfamiliar surroundings.
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:53 pm
IrishHavanaWhitewolf SuperSanity I believe they exist. I just don't think Immortal Vampyres exist anymore (if they ever did). I have a book by a guy named Konstantinos (forgot the name, can't find the book), and he explained 4 different types. Immortal Blood-Drinkers Mortal Blood-Drinker Un-Willing Psychic Vampires Willing Psychic Vampires Of the four, I can only say that three exist. And of those three, I can only speak for certain of Mortal Blood-Drinkers. Yeah. I have heard of him. I have a couple of his books. I know what book you are talking about. I want to get it. The funny think about Vampire Lore is that it can be different to every person. Personally I think vampires are real. Seeing as I have dated a couple. It not got into the drink blood from each other. I have several vampiric tendancies. I like blood, I belong to the night (The turning to dust deal is a myth in my opinion) and if given a chance yes I would love to drink blood from someone else. There is a whole vampire sub-culture out there though most people think that its the whole gothic link (So not true) so yeah. I think vampires are real. Am I one. No. I have yet to explore that side of me. Sweety, Sanguinarians are not vampires. They're people like to act like vampires. It's always funny how people can take folklore and conveniently leave out the unpleasant bits. Well, immortality is cool....but all that folklore about them being ugly, or unintelligent...no, that's rubbish. Of course it is. Who wants to live forever and be an ugly idiot? That's not a very attractive fantasy. Ok, fine. I'm a Rakshasa, I don't have to sleep on a bed of insects and devour humans, though. I just get to live forever. Oh, and I'm rich. That, too. Just because it's been romanticized doesn't mean that's the way it goes down. Changing folklore to make it an idillic fantasy-land doesn't change the folklore. All it does is make you a hollywood lapdog.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:45 pm
Eric Wolfborn IrishHavanaWhitewolf SuperSanity I believe they exist. I just don't think Immortal Vampyres exist anymore (if they ever did). I have a book by a guy named Konstantinos (forgot the name, can't find the book), and he explained 4 different types. Immortal Blood-Drinkers Mortal Blood-Drinker Un-Willing Psychic Vampires Willing Psychic Vampires Of the four, I can only say that three exist. And of those three, I can only speak for certain of Mortal Blood-Drinkers. Yeah. I have heard of him. I have a couple of his books. I know what book you are talking about. I want to get it. The funny think about Vampire Lore is that it can be different to every person. Personally I think vampires are real. Seeing as I have dated a couple. It not got into the drink blood from each other. I have several vampiric tendancies. I like blood, I belong to the night (The turning to dust deal is a myth in my opinion) and if given a chance yes I would love to drink blood from someone else. There is a whole vampire sub-culture out there though most people think that its the whole gothic link (So not true) so yeah. I think vampires are real. Am I one. No. I have yet to explore that side of me. Sweety, Sanguinarians are not vampires. They're people like to act like vampires. It's always funny how people can take folklore and conveniently leave out the unpleasant bits. Well, immortality is cool....but all that folklore about them being ugly, or unintelligent...no, that's rubbish. Of course it is. Who wants to live forever and be an ugly idiot? That's not a very attractive fantasy. Ok, fine. I'm a Rakshasa, I don't have to sleep on a bed of insects and devour humans, though. I just get to live forever. Oh, and I'm rich. That, too. Just because it's been romanticized doesn't mean that's the way it goes down. Changing folklore to make it an idillic fantasy-land doesn't change the folklore. All it does is make you a hollywood lapdog. What does Sanguinarians have to do with Vampires? What you seem to be forgetting is that every culter has its own vampire lore. In some mythes the vampire is ugly, in others they are erotic and beautiful, in others the vampire feeds off the blood of their mortal family
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:45 pm
IrishHavanaWhitewolf Eric Wolfborn IrishHavanaWhitewolf SuperSanity I believe they exist. I just don't think Immortal Vampyres exist anymore (if they ever did). I have a book by a guy named Konstantinos (forgot the name, can't find the book), and he explained 4 different types. Immortal Blood-Drinkers Mortal Blood-Drinker Un-Willing Psychic Vampires Willing Psychic Vampires Of the four, I can only say that three exist. And of those three, I can only speak for certain of Mortal Blood-Drinkers. Yeah. I have heard of him. I have a couple of his books. I know what book you are talking about. I want to get it. The funny think about Vampire Lore is that it can be different to every person. Personally I think vampires are real. Seeing as I have dated a couple. It not got into the drink blood from each other. I have several vampiric tendancies. I like blood, I belong to the night (The turning to dust deal is a myth in my opinion) and if given a chance yes I would love to drink blood from someone else. There is a whole vampire sub-culture out there though most people think that its the whole gothic link (So not true) so yeah. I think vampires are real. Am I one. No. I have yet to explore that side of me. Sweety, Sanguinarians are not vampires. They're people like to act like vampires. It's always funny how people can take folklore and conveniently leave out the unpleasant bits. Well, immortality is cool....but all that folklore about them being ugly, or unintelligent...no, that's rubbish. Of course it is. Who wants to live forever and be an ugly idiot? That's not a very attractive fantasy. Ok, fine. I'm a Rakshasa, I don't have to sleep on a bed of insects and devour humans, though. I just get to live forever. Oh, and I'm rich. That, too. Just because it's been romanticized doesn't mean that's the way it goes down. Changing folklore to make it an idillic fantasy-land doesn't change the folklore. All it does is make you a hollywood lapdog. What does Sanguinarians have to do with Vampires? What you seem to be forgetting is that every culter has its own vampire lore. In some mythes the vampire is ugly, in others they are erotic and beautiful, in others the vampire feeds off the blood of their mortal family And yet, love, what do they all have in common? The blood drinking. Check your sources, and then check your own posts to make sure they all correspond to the one thing: blood drinking. Might I direct your attention to the well-placed thread, known as the Golden Rules of Occultism. Perhaps that will help you in your endeavor to uncover the truth. I find rule #11 a particularly enlightening read, and thusly I direct your attention to it, as well. Happy Hunting! twisted
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:48 pm
IrishHavanaWhitewolf Eric Wolfborn IrishHavanaWhitewolf SuperSanity I believe they exist. I just don't think Immortal Vampyres exist anymore (if they ever did). I have a book by a guy named Konstantinos (forgot the name, can't find the book), and he explained 4 different types. Immortal Blood-Drinkers Mortal Blood-Drinker Un-Willing Psychic Vampires Willing Psychic Vampires Of the four, I can only say that three exist. And of those three, I can only speak for certain of Mortal Blood-Drinkers. Yeah. I have heard of him. I have a couple of his books. I know what book you are talking about. I want to get it. The funny think about Vampire Lore is that it can be different to every person. Personally I think vampires are real. Seeing as I have dated a couple. It not got into the drink blood from each other. I have several vampiric tendancies. I like blood, I belong to the night (The turning to dust deal is a myth in my opinion) and if given a chance yes I would love to drink blood from someone else. There is a whole vampire sub-culture out there though most people think that its the whole gothic link (So not true) so yeah. I think vampires are real. Am I one. No. I have yet to explore that side of me. Sweety, Sanguinarians are not vampires. They're people like to act like vampires. It's always funny how people can take folklore and conveniently leave out the unpleasant bits. Well, immortality is cool....but all that folklore about them being ugly, or unintelligent...no, that's rubbish. Of course it is. Who wants to live forever and be an ugly idiot? That's not a very attractive fantasy. Ok, fine. I'm a Rakshasa, I don't have to sleep on a bed of insects and devour humans, though. I just get to live forever. Oh, and I'm rich. That, too. Just because it's been romanticized doesn't mean that's the way it goes down. Changing folklore to make it an idillic fantasy-land doesn't change the folklore. All it does is make you a hollywood lapdog. What does Sanguinarians have to do with Vampires? What you seem to be forgetting is that every culter has its own vampire lore. In some mythes the vampire is ugly, in others they are erotic and beautiful, in others the vampire feeds off the blood of their mortal family I've been through this epic amounts of times. Primitive cultures, without a backing in any of the sciences we hold dear today, such as immunology, anthropology, chemistry, and anatomy, would have little recourse than to assume that the dead were responsible for death. Blood has always been associated with life, and as such, it only makes sense to assume that in draining life, one would drain blood. Pre-victorian period (To be read, before Bram Stoker) vampires were all remarkably similar. They were all scary monsters with big teeth and breath that stank of the grave. In the middle east they were flying severed heads. In Northern Europe they were stringy, pale wraiths. Every culture, however, has made particular reference to the fact that they're scary.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:03 am
Personally I believe they are a sort of demon maybe an evil soul of a human? Who knows but I do not believe they are 100% of this realm if they do exist
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:42 pm
Could modern "vampirism" be some sort of rare hemophelia? Possibly one where the organism cannot make enough blood to support itself, and therefore needs regular transfusions, or it might die.
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:16 pm
Katanas Blade Could modern "vampirism" be some sort of rare hemophelia? Possibly one where the organism cannot make enough blood to support itself, and therefore needs regular transfusions, or it might die. No, that wouldn't work. You'd need to get a medical transfusion. Drinking the blood would send it into the digestive tract, where it would be promptly destroyed. That, of course, would mean that you weren't a vampire.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:43 pm
Vampirism is more then just hunting through dark allies looking for willing dumb blondes to suck their blood. Its also more then Hollywood. Bram Stoker (SP?) got some of his ideas from the famous Vlad Dracul of Hungary or was it Romania I can't remember. He also got the idea from people thinking they were being attacked by vampires. When the body of the accused would be dug up there was blood dripping down the mouth, the finger nails would be longer, and the body looking well fed. All of these signs are of natural decomposition.
As for the modern day vampire. Yes they are real. Though they had very little to do with Hollywood. They have their own sub-culture and their own set of rules. It can be medical or not. But vampires are real. They aren't immortal but they are real. That is all I am saying on that point
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:29 pm
-sigh- Every culture does have a different vampire myth. Even in Japan and other parts of Asia, there are stories of vampires and vampire-like creatures.
I do not hesitate to say that there are certifiably insane humans who think they are vampires. I have also met a few perfectly sane humans who could pass as vampires, I'm sure. The point is whether or not we believe that they exist, we should seek to prove their existence or lack thereof. I myself hold out that it is possible, but not highly probable.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:34 pm
Thats the beautiful thing about Vampires. They are to some people and fake to others. So they exsist from person to person and culter to culter
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:52 pm
IrishHavanaWhitewolf Thats the beautiful thing about Vampires. They are to some people and fake to others. So they exsist from person to person and culter to culter A corporeal creature cannot be subjectively real. neutral
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:56 am
Eric Wolfborn IrishHavanaWhitewolf Thats the beautiful thing about Vampires. They are to some people and fake to others. So they exsist from person to person and culter to culter A corporeal creature cannot be subjectively real. neutral i think she means that only some people believe in them, and if they do then they can believe in them in different ways. at least i think thats what she meant. correct me if im wrong though
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:47 am
Shanna66 Eric Wolfborn IrishHavanaWhitewolf Thats the beautiful thing about Vampires. They are to some people and fake to others. So they exsist from person to person and culter to culter A corporeal creature cannot be subjectively real. neutral i think she means that only some people believe in them, and if they do then they can believe in them in different ways. at least i think thats what she meant. correct me if im wrong though What she meant, so far as I can tell, was that she's one of those nutty subjectivists who thinks that way about most of the world, if not specifically supernatural things. Also - I've had encounters with some whose root chakra(s?) were too weak to support their physiological functions. I'd noted them seemingly subconsciously draining energy from whatever source was nearest when they fell into need of it. I do not envy these people, as they need the presence of other living things to survive; if confined solitarily, I'd guess that they'd waste away and die. They're pretty nice people. Except every now and then someone around them gets a little tired. Sometimes even unnoticably. And they don't wear sunglasses at night and can be killed without stakes or garlic (though I wouldn't like you to try).
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:51 am
Eikon Theos Shanna66 Eric Wolfborn IrishHavanaWhitewolf Thats the beautiful thing about Vampires. They are to some people and fake to others. So they exsist from person to person and culter to culter A corporeal creature cannot be subjectively real. neutral i think she means that only some people believe in them, and if they do then they can believe in them in different ways. at least i think thats what she meant. correct me if im wrong though What she meant, so far as I can tell, was that she's one of those nutty subjectivists who thinks that way about most of the world, if not specifically supernatural things. Also - I've had encounters with some whose root chakra(s?) were too weak to support their physiological functions. I'd noted them seemingly subconsciously draining energy from whatever source was nearest when they fell into need of it. I do not envy these people, as they need the presence of other living things to survive; if confined solitarily, I'd guess that they'd waste away and die. They're pretty nice people. Except every now and then someone around them gets a little tired. Sometimes even unnoticably. And they don't wear sunglasses at night and can be killed without stakes or garlic (though I wouldn't like you to try). garlic came from early midievil times from i think pagan superstition, wear a neklace of garlic to stay protected. and with a stake through the heart killing one, i would assume that would work. im sure it would also work if you put anything through its heart
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