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BoneCrusher10

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:21 pm


Amylin
BoneCrusher10
blondiebabe135
BoneCrusher10
to be honest, and i hope most of u think like me (if not than i take it back), overall men are stronger than women, and if u spar with a woman u must usually hold back. it is simply common sense. on the other hand if the girl is 6'3 and weighs 200 pounds, im sure ull be ok going full power.


Regardless of whatever stereotype you believe, if you're holding back when training with a woman, all you're doing is depriving her. She's going to get into a match where the guy ISN'T holding back and get her butt kicked because you spent all your time training going half-a**. Do us a favor and TRY to go full power regardless of size. A lot of girls don't look as strong as they are.


wow wow relax eveyone i didnt know this would start such an argument. first of all i would like to apologize if i hurt anyone's feelings, everyone should enjoy this forum smile . second of all i would just like to point out that perhaps we are talking about different areas of martial arts. the only thing i have ever done was boxing, so from my experience if your a guy you should not swing as hard as you can at a girl during sparring. once again i am not saying this about all girls, since i have seen girls in my boxing gym who can take down walls with a punch, but when i saw a sparring match between this guy and girl in my gym, and how his punch connected in her face, causing her to bleed for about 10 minutes from her nose and mouth, and then watching her run away crying, and then never seeing her again in that gym, u gotta understand where im coming from. and that woman was insanely strong too. also, i guess i dont really have much to say since i have never sparred with a girl before. just a reminder i was talking about BOXING, so i apologize for the misunderstanding. now as for blondiebabe135 asking me not to hold back once, i assume u did not know i was talking about boxing, if not than i apologize.

i hope this clears everything up. again i did not mean to offend anyone. sweatdrop


If you never sparred a girl yourself you probably shouldn't jump to such conclusions. Who knows... you may have had the same reaction to the that particular hit. Most men do react in similar way when they bleed like that. Besides, the girls(or anyone for that matter) that really spar hardcore aren't just powerful. These girls work with their strengths in matches and they ones that truly love it are the ones that'll take that hit and get right back in the match. This is going to sound cheesy but you need skill, strength, speed, and dedictation to be a truly great martial artist. Anyone lacking in dedictation is usually just there to hit something.

so you're saying that you wont mind being in a boxing ring with a 5'8 guy weighing at 200 pounds, pounding you with all his might?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:31 am


BoneCrusher10

so you're saying that you wont mind being in a boxing ring with a 5'8 guy weighing at 200 pounds, pounding you with all his might?

Do not ascue my words. You're implying that I am looking to get injured by picking fights. What I am saying is that when a girl challenges you to a fight and does not request that you go easy on her(most adult women will do this... younger girls will notice your going easy and request you fight harder, this has been what I've found in my exprience) than in her mind set she CAN handle anything you can throw at her. If she didn't think she could handle this then she would challenge you in the first place. It runs along the same reasoning of why most white belts are reluctant to spar black belts.
If she over-estimates herself, then you need to understand that while you may feel bad for hurting her, in such extreme cases, or just hurting her pride it (also keep in mind that you can strive to win and go full force without the intention to injure)ultimately is better that she recieves this learning exprience of what are the possiblities of her art and what her own limitations are at that time.
In the end... by holding back against anyone that is old/mature(I say this because most children generally can't comprehend the risk of injury) enough to understand the risks of the injury you are doing nobody any favors.

Side-note: I've sparred Ee dans that were olymipic class sparring of divisions of over 6' ft and over 200 lbs that went all out. And, part of mastering the art is learning how things such as size and strength being, in my case of 5'3 120 lbs, over-whelmingly out classed can actaully help you win(they can). I've come out with many bad injuries from over-estimating myself but I love my art and for me what I've learned from the injuries is well worth recieving them.

Amylin


BoneCrusher10

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:46 pm


Amylin
BoneCrusher10

so you're saying that you wont mind being in a boxing ring with a 5'8 guy weighing at 200 pounds, pounding you with all his might?

Do not ascue my words. You're implying that I am looking to get injured by picking fights. What I am saying is that when a girl challenges you to a fight and does not request that you go easy on her(most adult women will do this... younger girls will notice your going easy and request you fight harder, this has been what I've found in my exprience) than in her mind set she CAN handle anything you can throw at her. If she didn't think she could handle this then she would challenge you in the first place. It runs along the same reasoning of why most white belts are reluctant to spar black belts.
If she over-estimates herself, then you need to understand that while you may feel bad for hurting her, in such extreme cases, or just hurting her pride it (also keep in mind that you can strive to win and go full force without the intention to injure)ultimately is better that she recieves this learning exprience of what are the possiblities of her art and what her own limitations are at that time.
In the end... by holding back against anyone that is old/mature(I say this because most children generally can't comprehend the risk of injury) enough to understand the risks of the injury you are doing nobody any favors.

Side-note: I've sparred Ee dans that were olymipic class sparring of divisions of over 6' ft and over 200 lbs that went all out. And, part of mastering the art is learning how things such as size and strength being, in my case of 5'3 120 lbs, over-whelmingly out classed can actaully help you win(they can). I've come out with many bad injuries from over-estimating myself but I love my art and for me what I've learned from the injuries is well worth recieving them.

i dont want to sound hostile, but how many times do u want me to repeat that i was talking about boxing? im sure that in other martial arts it might be otherwise, but my opinion is from my experience in BOXING.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:50 pm


Doesn't matter what martial arts it is in. No matter if they use different parts of the body, or a different style altogether... So there really shouldn't be a difference at all...

Moonlight Penguin


BoneCrusher10

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:56 pm


Moonlight Penguin
Doesn't matter what martial arts it is in. No matter if they use different parts of the body, or a different style altogether... So there really shouldn't be a difference at all...

alright than, if i ever spar with a girl i will go full power on her. i promise.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:16 pm


Just because you go full power doesn't mean you have to be a ******** beast... make your hits to the right places and if she is equally skilled she can take them or block them, giving you the decent hits back.

Moonlight Penguin


BoneCrusher10

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:15 pm


Moonlight Penguin
Just because you go full power doesn't mean you have to be a ******** beast... make your hits to the right places and if she is equally skilled she can take them or block them, giving you the decent hits back.

ill have to be honest with you. to me a boxing ring is a place where i am allowed to be a beast, to me every match is a battle, and i dont like just beating my opponents, i destroy them. i dont even give them a chance. so when u tell me not to be a beast in the ring while sparring with a girl, to me ur saying to go easy on her.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:50 pm


BoneCrusher10
Moonlight Penguin
Just because you go full power doesn't mean you have to be a ******** beast... make your hits to the right places and if she is equally skilled she can take them or block them, giving you the decent hits back.

ill have to be honest with you. to me a boxing ring is a place where i am allowed to be a beast, to me every match is a battle, and i dont like just beating my opponents, i destroy them. i dont even give them a chance. so when u tell me not to be a beast in the ring while sparring with a girl, to me ur saying to go easy on her.
Don't purposly hurt a person just because you "promise to be a beast", fight a girl in the ring as if you were fighting a guy.

Pentile


BoneCrusher10

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:53 pm


Xx pengwyn xX
BoneCrusher10
Moonlight Penguin
Just because you go full power doesn't mean you have to be a ******** beast... make your hits to the right places and if she is equally skilled she can take them or block them, giving you the decent hits back.

ill have to be honest with you. to me a boxing ring is a place where i am allowed to be a beast, to me every match is a battle, and i dont like just beating my opponents, i destroy them. i dont even give them a chance. so when u tell me not to be a beast in the ring while sparring with a girl, to me ur saying to go easy on her.
Don't purposly hurt a person just because you "promise to be a beast", fight a girl in the ring as if you were fighting a guy.

thats exactly the thing, i completely let go of all my rage when i fight a guy.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:47 am


I think what pengwyn is trying to say (hope you don't mind me clarifying for you) is: Don't make the next girl you fight an example.

It's common human nature to go and kick the living crap out of the next girl you fight just so you can come back and say "SEE what happened!!!". I'm not saying you would do that. I'm just assuming that that was Pengwyn's concern.

I can't say I'm too experienced in this myself. In Wing Chun we don't do any actual "sparring" (I'd personally like to). We do Chi-Sau, which is pretty damned close. Just without the hitting.... most of the time (I slip sweatdrop )

I do my best with anyone I'm up against. Unless there is a gap in skill/experience, THAT can factor in.

On the guys side though. I do know exactly what you're talking about. I was raised to be a gentleman. I was raised to be chivelrous (just not tought how to spell it). I still, after much effort, have many prejudices, mostly involving physical activities. Not to say that I oppose women in anyway, I don't. But I DO notice when I am up against a girl rather than a guy.

I think it's just something us guys have to deal with. Some have it worse than others.

If you don't know what to do, go easy on a girl. Why? because that's your gut feeling. If she's a good fighter, she'll notice this and kick the living crap out of you. Next time you'll know not to go easy. That way, you can take it one girl at a time, instead of trying to cleanse your entire body of all prejudices at once. And ladies, if you find a guy taking it easy on you, either tell him to go all out, or kick his a**. He'll have to learn eventually... You can't really change all mankind (pun intended) at once. I figure take 'em one at a time.

Hixton


Pentile

PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:07 pm


BoneCrusher10
Xx pengwyn xX
BoneCrusher10
Moonlight Penguin
Just because you go full power doesn't mean you have to be a ******** beast... make your hits to the right places and if she is equally skilled she can take them or block them, giving you the decent hits back.

ill have to be honest with you. to me a boxing ring is a place where i am allowed to be a beast, to me every match is a battle, and i dont like just beating my opponents, i destroy them. i dont even give them a chance. so when u tell me not to be a beast in the ring while sparring with a girl, to me ur saying to go easy on her.
Don't purposly hurt a person just because you "promise to be a beast", fight a girl in the ring as if you were fighting a guy.

thats exactly the thing, i completely let go of all my rage when i fight a guy.
Then do the same to a girl. Girls don't want to be babied simply because we are female, no matter what style of fighting it is.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:09 pm


Hixton
I think what pengwyn is trying to say (hope you don't mind me clarifying for you) is: Don't make the next girl you fight an example.

It's common human nature to go and kick the living crap out of the next girl you fight just so you can come back and say "SEE what happened!!!". I'm not saying you would do that. I'm just assuming that that was Pengwyn's concern.
Kinda.... Fight a girl as if they were a guy. Don't think of them as a girl. Think of them as an opponent.

Pentile


MIA-BO

PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:02 pm


well i have no choice but to train with the opposite sex because i am the only female that is in my division.my sparing partner is a boy anyway.and my grapling partner is a male,and my teacher,and all my friends in that class are males.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:16 pm


I've sparred with women before. Never held back. Maybe I would have if I had been taught to fight by a man, but my sensei is Sarah Sischo, and she's one evil hardcore *****. I held back against her once, and after I stopped hurting enough to pick myself off the floor, I vowed I would never hold back against a woman again.

About two years ago, she put me into a spar with two women, not quite black belt level, but I had sparred with them before and knew they could probably work me over if I didn't finish it quick. They started out facing either side of me, about 18 inches in front of me. Sensei said go, and before either of them moved I slammed my top two knuckles into the closest side of their chest as hard as I could (which at that point wasn't very, I was kinda weak). I heard two yelps and they both broke off before they had time to throw a punch.

I've always thought that kind of encapsulates my view on women in the martial arts. They're not weak. They're as strong as any other practicioner. And if they want to play, don't hold back - you're just asking for trouble.

Alephenon


Hixton

PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:33 pm


Amen. And yet I could probobly never bring myself to do that...

Well, not never, but where I stand now, I could not.

Then again, like I said, I've never actually sparred with women. I'm sure I could get used to it.
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