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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:53 pm
Maybe yur right, but its like I don't care about him anymore. I used to believe that the world can not profit from a man's death, but now I believe that if my father were dead my whole immediate family would be happier.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:49 pm
well I guess i hav 2 give that to you
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:27 am
NewGenious Maybe yur right, but its like I don't care about him anymore. I used to believe that the world can not profit from a man's death, but now I believe that if my father were dead my whole immediate family would be happier. Of course I am, I'm Abby! blaugh whee J/k. My name isn't even Abby.lol. That's a sad thought...to be disliked by the whole family, honestly sometimes I feel that way about my grandmother too. It makes me sad to say that. There are just people like that who don't get along with anyone. The only difference between you and I is that I still care for my grandmother.
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:44 pm
I hope this bit of soul bearing doesn't lower your opinions of me. And he's not disliked by the whole family, I don't exactly wish death upon him either. It's just he's put us through so much hell, and he's not worth it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:27 pm
Aye, family troubles are among the worst, and part of the reason why I generally disassociate myself from mine.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:07 pm
I wish I could do that, but over here its easier said than done. And I have the nosiest Brother in the world, so even if I tried to escape he'd make sure I'd stay and be weak.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:22 pm
NewGenious I hope this bit of soul bearing doesn't lower your opinions of me. And he's not disliked by the whole family, I don't exactly wish death upon him either. It's just he's put us through so much hell, and he's not worth it. Of course not. Who am I to be judgemental? We're all human, we have our quips and hang ups. I take people as they are,not as what they feel or go through. The only thing that defines you is your opinion of yourself. I can understand your feelings, you're mad at him because of it. There's a scripture that says, "Don't let the sun set on your wrath." Meaning never stay angery at anyone..preferably it means for more than a day though. Of course some anger doesn't work like that. The first stage in dealing with it is addressing it. It's good that you admitted that your angry, now you have to do something about it. The main thing you have to remember is that he is human, and makes mistakes. Have you ever tried to talk to him? It seems he has a problem and he may not know it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:25 pm
ConsusLata Aye, family troubles are among the worst, and part of the reason why I generally disassociate myself from mine. Consus, I've noticed you dissassociate with everyone. How do you live that way? Trying to shield yourself from normal human feelings isn't really living..it's more like merely existing.We are to live life to the fullest, and if you never interact with anyone it's impossible. In a sense you have a more deeply rooted problem than Genious.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:39 pm
t0paz ConsusLata Aye, family troubles are among the worst, and part of the reason why I generally disassociate myself from mine. Consus, I've noticed you dissassociate with everyone. How do you live that way? Trying to shield yourself from normal human feelings isn't really living..it's more like merely existing.We are to live life to the fullest, and if you never interact with anyone it's impossible. In a sense you have a more deeply rooted problem than Genious.I don't try to shield myself from normal human feelings; I merely limit those who I would share these feelings with. And I agree that we should live life to the fullest, but I believe that live can best be experienced only from a philosopher's perspective, as argued by Plato in The Republic. I do dissociate myself from many people a good deal of the time, but that is because I value a certain measure of solitude as it is necessary for my endeavors. What you percieve as a deeply rooted problem is a strength. I am subject more the rational part of my soul than to the appetitive, and I have much to gain from general isolation. I don't expect you to understand, for you are not a Master, but thanks for the concern in any case. Friends and companions get you gone, 'Tis my desire to be alone; Ne'er well but when my thoughts and I Do domineer in privacy. No gem, no treasure like to this, 'Tis my delight, my crown, my bliss. All my joys to this are jolly, Naught so sweet as melancholy. - Robert Burton (1577-1640), The Anatomy of Melancholy (1621) No man ever will unfold the capacities of his own intellect who does not at least chequer his life with solitude. - Thomas De Quincey (1785-1859), Suspiria De Profundis (1845) I find it wholesome to be alone the greater part of the time. To be in company,even with the best, is soon wearisome and dissipating. I love to be alone. I never found the companion that was so companionable as solitude. We are for the most part more lonely when we go abroad among men than when we stay in our chambers. A man thinking or working is always alone, let him be where he will. Solitude is not measured by the miles of space that intervene between a man and his fellows. - Henry D. Thoreau (1817-1862), Walden (1854) When from our better selves we have too long Been parted by the hurrying world, and droop, Sick of its business, of its pleasures tired, How gracious, how benign, is Solitude. - William Wordsworth (1770-1850), The Prelude (1805) 'Tis my sole plague to be alone, I am a beast, a monster grown, I will no light or company, I find it now my misery. The scene is turn'd, my joys are gone, Fear, discontent, and sorrows come. All my griefs to this are folly, Naught so fierce as melancholy. - Robert Burton (1577-1640), The Anatomy of Melancholy (1621)
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:06 pm
what does one do when they have WAY to much time on their hands, and nothing to do?
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:10 pm
TheLostOne42 what does one do when they have WAY to much time on their hands, and nothing to do? So long as you have a mind and any will then you have something to do. Improve either yourself or your community. Develope a skill. Define yourself. Volunteer with the Red Cross or other organization. Get involved in the Adopt A Highway program, et cetera.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:36 pm
TheLostOne42 what does one do when they have WAY to much time on their hands, and nothing to do? It's not a matter of having nothing to do. There's lots to do, you just don't want to do it.Find a hobby you like or think up a creative project that maybe your friends can help you do. Making presents for people is fun, or throwing a dinner party(close friends) with a fun theme! I've been reading too many girlie mags. xd
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:57 pm
ConsusLata t0paz ConsusLata Aye, family troubles are among the worst, and part of the reason why I generally disassociate myself from mine. Consus, I've noticed you dissassociate with everyone. How do you live that way? Trying to shield yourself from normal human feelings isn't really living..it's more like merely existing.We are to live life to the fullest, and if you never interact with anyone it's impossible. In a sense you have a more deeply rooted problem than Genious.I don't try to shield myself from normal human feelings; I merely limit those who I would share these feelings with. And I agree that we should live life to the fullest, but I believe that live can best be experienced only from a philosopher's perspective, as argued by Plato in The Republic. I do dissociate myself from many people a good deal of the time, but that is because I value a certain measure of solitude as it is necessary for my endeavors. What you percieve as a deeply rooted problem is a strength. I am subject more the rational part of my soul than to the appetitive, and I have much to gain from general isolation. I don't expect you to understand, for you are not a Master, but thanks for the concern in any case. Friends and companions get you gone, 'Tis my desire to be alone; Ne'er well but when my thoughts and I Do domineer in privacy. No gem, no treasure like to this, 'Tis my delight, my crown, my bliss. All my joys to this are jolly, Naught so sweet as melancholy. - Robert Burton (1577-1640), The Anatomy of Melancholy (1621) No man ever will unfold the capacities of his own intellect who does not at least chequer his life with solitude. - Thomas De Quincey (1785-1859), Suspiria De Profundis (1845) I find it wholesome to be alone the greater part of the time. To be in company,even with the best, is soon wearisome and dissipating. I love to be alone. I never found the companion that was so companionable as solitude. We are for the most part more lonely when we go abroad among men than when we stay in our chambers. A man thinking or working is always alone, let him be where he will. Solitude is not measured by the miles of space that intervene between a man and his fellows. - Henry D. Thoreau (1817-1862), Walden (1854) When from our better selves we have too long Been parted by the hurrying world, and droop, Sick of its business, of its pleasures tired, How gracious, how benign, is Solitude. - William Wordsworth (1770-1850), The Prelude (1805) 'Tis my sole plague to be alone, I am a beast, a monster grown, I will no light or company, I find it now my misery. The scene is turn'd, my joys are gone, Fear, discontent, and sorrows come. All my griefs to this are folly, Naught so fierce as melancholy. - Robert Burton (1577-1640), The Anatomy of Melancholy (1621) The reason I disagree and don't "understand" is because I don't live life following something a philosopher said who was probably troubled himself.I follow the perfect one, Jesus Christ was my example.Knowledge may be power but it isn't all that we have to live for. God made women so that man didn't have to be alone. Do you really know anyone that wants to close themselves off? How is closing yourself off considered strength? You can't learn to interact with people by not doing so most of the time. It is good to spend some time with yourself,but not most of your time. People naturally crave companionship.Most people would much rather learn from experience rather than what some book says anyway, but to each his own I guess.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:52 pm
Quote: The reason I disagree and don't "understand" is because I don't live life following something a philosopher said who was probably troubled himself. I follow the perfect one, Jesus Christ was my example. I don't follow a philosophy of Plato, I make use of a logical proof that he presents. He organizes people into three major groups, namely those that are governed by reason, honor, or appetite. He then constructs a proof that has yet to be shown to be fallible in which he argues that only a person who falls into the category of being governed by reason can best be a judge of experience and happiness. Thus the deepest happiness to be had on earth is that which is derived from a philosophical perspective, which is what I have. You fall under the category that is described as being governed by honor, and are therefore not in a position to make valid claims about the deepest level of happiness or fulfillment of purpose. And you do live life following something a philosopher said. A philosophy is merely a system of values by which one lives, and Jesus provided such a system of values. Quote: God made women so that man didn't have to be alone. It is great that you believe in God and all, I do as well, but that is a completely invalid way to develop an argument. For this to become valid, you must show with reason that there is first of all a divine being, that he is as the Bible, Church Fathers, and church councils describe, and that he made women so that man didn't have to be alone. Quote: Do you really know anyone that wants to close themselves off? Yes I do, and I believe I posted a few examples of this. And I do not want to close myself off. If that were so, do you think I would participate on Gaia and be the most regular member of this guild? I merely maintain that a certain level of solitude is invaluable, and undesirable influences should be isolated regardless of ties such as family. In addition it is impossible to make any relatively unbiased consideration without immediate disassociation. Without actively identifying, analyzing, and neutralizing unreasonable influences it is impossible to even attempt to seek any kind of truth, and I hold the search for Truth to life's most worthy endeavor. Quote: How is closing yourself off considered strength? It is a strength because it is necessary for my endeavors, as demonstrated above. Quote: You can't learn to interact with people by not doing so most of the time. Can you show conclusively that interacting with people if fundamentally desirable? If not then there is no need to learn how to except in cases in which personal need, insecurity, or appetite dominate. Now I certainly enjoy interaction, and I am more than capable of extensive, personal interaction when I so choose, but only when it does not conflict with my endeavors. As a matter of fact myself along with a few others run a summer camp for the Boy Scouts of America. It is ranked third in the nation for quality of program and service. If I were incapable of effective interaction, then how could I personally deal with hundreds of children's parents every week? Quote: It is good to spend some time with yourself, but not most of your time. I never said that I spend most of my time in isolation. The issue that I was mainly addressing was that of disassociation, not complete isolation. There is a considerable difference between the two. In fact, I am willing to wager that I spend more actual time interacting with others within a year than you do. Quote: People naturally crave companionship This only confirms my point. Companionship is an appetite. It is generally not a harmful one, but an appetite none the less. Just because most individuals are incapable of recognizing their appetites and have no sway over them does not mean that have the same fault. Quote: Most people would much rather learn from experience rather than what some book says anyway Who said anything about following what book says? The only one who said that they follow what a book says is you (Bible). Do you think that I sit around and read what some poorly written text says? That is absolutely ridiculous as it implies that supposed facts contained within texts are reliably accurate. You also assume that everything that can be learned from a means other than direct experience can also be learned through direct experience. That is also an incredibly false premise. That violates the most basic principles of the nature of knowledge. That isn't to say that I do not value experience, because I do. You haven't even made any connection between experience and disassociation from some people.
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:32 pm
Dude, that is an incredibly long post and my brain is so not up to reading that. xp SHouldn't we take it to pm though, to not crowd the thread with a debate?
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