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Kempo not traind in it never have Hapkido also no training Kung fu not a style there are sytems of chinese martial arts that are all caled kung fu. Some chinese styles focus more on grapling than others. Wing Chun is one of them that dosent focuse much on it.

I train in Wing Chun but plan to learn more grapling its stupid not to learn to graple. I am starting to get more than a little pissed at how you talk s**t on people. I have read a few posts of yours that I have seen on other martial arts pages you talk alot of s**t and have no respect for any martial arts from what I can tell.

I don't tell people there style is crap its bull to say that only a fighter can be called ineffective. Most people don't get the kind of training that is needed to realy do well thats there fault not the style.

You posted a topic about you being banned all the time well the way you talk to people is the reson so you shut the ******** up.

Here are some links to some chinese arts that use grappling, take downs, joint locks and throws.

http://www.combatwrestling.com/chinesewrestling.html

http://cclib.nsu.ru/projects/satbi/satbi-e/martart/wushu/gouquan.html

http://www.wu-kung-federation.co.uk/wu-kung/shuai-chiao.asp

http://www.shenwu.com/discus/messages/24/214.html?1140038087

http://www.kobukaijujitsu.com/grapplingstyles.html

http://www.extremekungfu.com/sanshou.html

http://www.owingsmillsboxingclub.com/SanShou.htm

http://www.fightauthority.com/martial-arts-styles.php4?tid=39

http://www.psds.de/engl/jujitsu-history.html

Brazilian Jujutsu I feel is one of the best grappling arts around. I can't say much about the chinese arts I have never met any one who trains in them. Some time I would like to take up Chin Na but no one teaches it here.

Ya I know who Mat Furey is I was just posting info on chinese grappling and that page came up wile I was looking. San Shou has a small amount of grapling and to me San Shou is one of the most combat effective chinese system out there.

You asked for chinese arts that use grappling methods Grappling consists of the standing grapple, joint locks throws and ground work. Shuai Chiao and Dishu Quan are a good example of chinese grapling. Brazilian Jujutsu uses alot more ground fighting than most jujutsu people go into most chinese arts are the same.

I don't like the idea of going to the ground unless I need to its not good for situations where you may be attacked by multiple people and if you are on the street or what ever there may be broken glass and other things. Grappling is very important to know but I am not in the habit of taking fights to the ground.

I personaly have never been in a real fight that ended up on the ground like what you see most grapplers do. The most I have ever done is throw some one on the ground or trip them normaly I didn't let people back up after that. I go to the ground with my cousin from time to time but he don't fight like I do I always keep him off by useing a joint lock or pressure point.

If some one tryed to take me to the ground it may become a wrestling match but I have never had any one take me to the ground. I admit that my skills on the ground are limited as I have said in alot of my posts I plan to learn more ground fighting so I wont need to wory about a guy taking me to the ground. I have had some training in my Wing Chun class with some of the other guys but its not enough.

Befor I forget Monkey style I think uses some grappling.

HAY GUYS WE GOT A BAD a** OVER HERE!!!

To me striking these areas are just like doing any thing elss in a fight if I feel its justified to hit some one in the groin, eye's or what ever. It is true that any one can poke some one in the eye but what I am talking about is training to use techniques that are used for such things.

In Wing Chun we use Biu Jee the finger thrusting form to strike pressure points the form teaches use of the elbow and the use of the fingers to attack. It is important to practice the finger strikes on soft targets to learn to use them right. If you do not use a Biu Jee strike properly you could hurt a finger.

If you don't train it you may not think about it when you are in real danger I can not believe that it takes no skill to use such a strike.

Mr. Cynical,

Eye gouging is the EXACT same as punching, the only difference is the extension of the fingers (atleast with the jab/cross/hook). You should practice it just the same as you would practice punching. Now, can someone eye poke without training it? Of course, just the same as someone can punch without training how to. But there are more efficient ways to do everything.

Groin kicks and eye pokes is about as "Street" as its going to get, aside from joint breaks. Unless you practice doing it repetitively, the technique will never become a reflexive moment. And if you AREN'T eye poking and groin kicking, then thats your bad for not using all your tools to whoop that arse.

In the Biu Jee form of Wing Chun you learn to pivot the hand this keeps you from hurting a finger. Guys in my class strike a ping pong ball tied to a string that they hang from something this helps get you used to doing it I have seen others in class useing the bags on our wall the bags are filled with beans. You can't practice Biu Jee strikes in the air it takes target practice to learn it right you go learn the form than you train to use the techniques.

As for useing it on targets I have seen people use those rubber dummys for training to actualy hit a targen that has a face we don't do that in my class I want to get a dummy like that but don't have the money. Wile I am practiceing with a partner we use light strikes or pull our techniques before contact. The link will show what kind of dummys I am talking about I have seen people hold up the body and attack some one push forward and move around wile you attack it.
http://www.martialartssupermarket.com/index.cfm?action=showProd&subid=467

Also I would like to say we use Iron Palm training to strengthen the hands I have not done this yet thats something I need to get taken care of. Some styles do Iron Finger training Tiger Claw and Eagle Claw do things like finger pushups and stuff as well as Iron body training. In Tiger Claw they will hit you with a palm strike and rake the fingers over your eyes.

You need to train to understand how to use techniques like Biu Jee if you don't you could hurt yourself trying to use them.