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famusamu

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:13 pm


Here is something from Aish.com on why Some of us choose to write G-d when rendering Ha Shem in English


We do not write G-d's name in a place where it may be discarded or erased. Treating G-d's name with reverence is a way to give respect to G-d. So even though on a computer the name is not really being erased (and perhaps is not really there in the first place), and "G-d" is only an English term used to translate G-d's holy name, it is in keeping with this respect that I write "G-d" in my emails.

This causes problems. No matter how many times I write "G-d", the spell-check on the computer has no idea what I mean. "G-d" is not in its dictionary, and it won't accept it as an addition to the dictionary. So the computer comes up with all types of suggested corrections: Go, Do, G'day. And often half the name ends up on a new line: G-d.

I guess I shouldn't expect any better. No matter how smart a computer is, certain things are beyond it. How would you program a computer to have respect for G-d's name? It is unreasonable to ask a computer to relate to G-d, because G-d is not a logical concept - He created intellect, and He cannot be captured by His own creation. A computer is limited to logic, so it can't handle spiritual concepts. Just as a metal-detector will beep when a gun is passed through it, but it cannot pick up a person's thoughts or intentions, intellect can grasp logic and rationale, but it cannot detect the Divine.

But a human is not a computer. Intellect is not where we begin and end. We have a soul that is beyond intellect, and our soul detects G-d because our soul sees G-d.

Jewish faith is about getting in touch with the soul that knows G-d already, without needing any proof. This is not negating intellect - it is transcending it.

How do you get in touch with your soul? Ask G-d. He'll tell you!"
PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:55 am


Angsty Shem
Caught my eye, and I'll be frank:

Are you guys actually here just because you're curious, or are you going to farm the guild for ways to "defeat" Judaism while evangelising later on? It's just that this is something I've seen before, plenty, and I'm (fairly, I think) doubting of your sincerety here.

No offense, or anything.

...And, studying us is sorta futile since we don't actually talk about Judaism, just Jewish things/people/Hebrew . whee

liriako


YvetteEmilieDupont

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:50 am


liriako
Angsty Shem
Caught my eye, and I'll be frank:

Are you guys actually here just because you're curious, or are you going to farm the guild for ways to "defeat" Judaism while evangelising later on? It's just that this is something I've seen before, plenty, and I'm (fairly, I think) doubting of your sincerety here.

No offense, or anything.

...And, studying us is sorta futile since we don't actually talk about Judaism, just Jewish things/people/Hebrew . whee

well i'm here because i've always been drawn to the jewish religion, I would never want the guild. redface please don't ever think that about me, if i ever give any of you that idea please tell me right away so i could correct myself.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:21 pm


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Head on down to the Bible Belt, they'll show you a great time. Evangelism "teams" every Monday night, trained in half-brained apologetics (including against Judaism, Islam, and secularism) who go door-to-door seeing if they can convert someone in a 30 minute window, or at least get them to their church.


I'm actually slightly offended at this remark. Whist I am a Christian, I find it in bad taste to see you throw this stereo typical misconception of Christanity around in that manner. While yes, there are churches that participate in this type of evangelism, that is not the tool or view of evangelism that is endorsed by Christianity. I understand that it offends you when Christians attempt to convert members of the Jewish community, that gives you no grounds to speak in this manner. Remember, "First of all, Judaism teaches that Hashem is non-corporeal, that no physical form could contain Hashem. It also teaches that just as Hashem has no beginning or end, Hashem also has no equal, no superior, and no second-in-command. There is no one who is beside Hashem. We, as Jews, are commanded not to worship any but Hashem. "I am Hashem, your G*D. You shall have no other gods before me." Nevertheless, the Noachides (descendants of Noah, i.e. everyone, who aren't Jewish) are not forbidden to worship other deities -- only to deny the reality of Hashem. In other words, acknowledge that Hashem exists, but go worship as you see fit, unless you specifically have taken on the worship and duties of a practicing Noachide/ger tzedek/righteous gentile (that is, a follower of the Jewish teachings that apply to non-Jews).

MasterPerks


LordNeuf
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:31 pm


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Ok, let me just say that no one here is to defeat any other religion. This is a learning experience for us to exchange ideas. To prevent the fear and loathing that is caused by isolationism which leads to anti-semitism.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:00 pm


MasterPerks
Insert quote here

Even though Shem isn't an active member of this guild anymore, I'll still apologize for him. Stereotypes are always uncalled for, and he should know better than to do that when we get enough of that ourselves. I personally have no problem with any member no matter what the religion as long as he/she respects my own.

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kingpinsqeezels

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:09 pm


In his defense Cindy, it could have been quite possible that some of the people who joined this guild who were of a different belief could have just been trying to "defeat" Judaism. It's not really a stereotype, it's just a paranoia thing, and I don't think by any means he was trying to insult any of them, just question their reasons to join.

If you aren't here for demeaning reasons or any other such reason, you shouldn't take offense. smile
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:30 pm


Ive been wondering this myself Dx

Macaroni Jesus


cheribi

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:05 pm


I'm here to learn about how Jewish people think because I've never known any Jews personally. I'm what you call a "goy" and a Messianic, and I try to keep the mitvot in the Torah. I'm sorry for all the offenses some of you have received at the hands of my fellow believers in YM, and I understand the frustration - I've been proselytized (?) by Mormons & JWitnesses, and why do they always come when you have to leave or just got out of the shower rolleyes ? I've come to the conclusion that anyone who converts to another religion does so because they see something they like in the lifestyle a person lives, not the words they say. I just want to understand you and value those that G-d values so much.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:52 pm


darkphoenix1247
MasterPerks
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Even though Shem isn't an active member of this guild anymore, I'll still apologize for him. Stereotypes are always uncalled for, and he should know better than to do that when we get enough of that ourselves. I personally have no problem with any member no matter what the religion as long as he/she respects my own.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:40 am


MasterPerks
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Head on down to the Bible Belt, they'll show you a great time. Evangelism "teams" every Monday night, trained in half-brained apologetics (including against Judaism, Islam, and secularism) who go door-to-door seeing if they can convert someone in a 30 minute window, or at least get them to their church.


I'm actually slightly offended at this remark. Whist I am a Christian, I find it in bad taste to see you throw this stereo typical misconception of Christanity around in that manner. While yes, there are churches that participate in this type of evangelism, that is not the tool or view of evangelism that is endorsed by Christianity. I understand that it offends you when Christians attempt to convert members of the Jewish community, that gives you no grounds to speak in this manner.


You have the right to be offended, Perks, if someone suggests that you are definitely engaging in this type of activity when you're actually not. However, the statement was not that YOU came here for that purpose (since the statement was made quite some time ago, before you arrived in the guild), but that SOME Christians behave this way, which is certainly the truth; and that SOME Christians have come to our guild, and that the poster has had experiences that lead him to wonder why.

The fact is that there have been Christians (that is, those who profess to follow the teachings of Christianity -- it's not our place to judge if they're successful at it, i.e. "real" Christians, since we're in no position to do so) in all of our lives who have treated us this way. Those of us who were born Jewish have usually gotten it all our lives from well-meaning schoolmates and their parents, not just out on the street, but right in our schools, unless we were fortunate enough to go to a Jewish day school. Those of us who are converts to Judaism often get it from not just outsiders, but from our own family members, who can't understand why we've abandoned the beliefs and ways that will keep us out of hell. People do come to our doors and try to convert us away from our 3800-year-old tradition, the path Hashem asked us to walk, and we accepted as a people. We're wary, and I think understandably so: in many different times and places and circumstances, we have either been converted by seduction, assimilation, or force.

From Wikipedia:

The most familiar version of the Great Commission is recorded in the Gospel of Matthew 28:16-20:
Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."(NIV)
Other versions of the Great Commission are found in Mark 16:14-18, Luke 24:44-49, Acts 1:4-8, and John 20:19-23. All these passages record words of Christ spoken after his resurrection. ... Commentators often contrast the Great Commission with the earlier Limited Commission of Matthew 10:5-42, in which they were to restrict their mission to their fellow Jews, to whom Jesus referred as "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24).


As you can see if you'll look up the relevant text, not only does canonical Christian scripture require its adherents to convert non-Christians, but indeed, there is specific reference made to converting Jews. Conversion techniques may vary, but not the necessity of converting non-Christians, according to Christian scripture. While you yourself may not feel the need to do this, and while your denomination may not stress this, it is a part of your scriptures; therefore, if you live by your scriptures, this is indeed what you should have come here to do.

I believe that you're an honest person; and I always try my best to judge a person kindly and according to what he says, unless I've been given reason not to do so. Therefore, when you say your aim is not to convert us, I take you at your word. Now my question is: Why not? What is it about Judaism, or about us in particular, or about the Great Commission, or... something else?... that makes you reticent? Is it just because you can tell we've already heard it and aren't interested, or is it for something else? Please understand, I'm not trying to challenge you or confront you -- my intention is only to understand someone who has come trustingly among us as a visitor, and whose thoughtful questions have turned you from stranger to guest.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:04 pm


*Insert apologies here*

You are all right to give me a reality check on this matter. I understand where he was coming from, I just was a little frazzled at the way it was worded and reacted in haste without thought. I just wanted mostly to apologize for those Christians who HAVE acted in that fashion, since that is not how Christians are supposed to act. Hope this clears all of this up for you.

MasterPerks


MasterPerks

PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:13 pm


Sorry for the second posting, but I just re-read the final two paragraphs of Divash's post, and wanted to shed some light (if I may). Yes, early Christians were to try and "return the lost sheep of Israel". This, however, was referring to (and this is from the information that I was able to acquire in my readings) that the "sheep" these passages were referring to were early Christians that, after the death of Jesus, had left Christanity in fear of persecution or disbelief. I understand that many many people took this the wrong way, and the Church as acted wrongly no it's behalf. This, however, was the real meaning of the passage as I am able to have it interpreted. Even the Greek text notes that there was a different word for the Jewish-Christian convert of the time, not a traditional Jew. Note, though, that this is not meant to undermine your previous statements, just to maybe help understanding. Taken at face value (as most Christians take the Bible), this is how that is viewed. However, that does not excuse anyone trying to convert another person to a religion for the sake of saying another religion is wrong.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:22 pm


(I need to make sure and read everything over several times before responding)

This is a response to the final question posted my Divash:

I do not think it appropriate to attempt to convert a Jewish person because, for some reason, G-d choose you to call his chosen people. That, in itself, means something. I do not pretend to even understand anything as to the reasons, but I know that they are His own. As it is my understanding (and I stress the MY), both Christians and Jewish peoples worship the same G-d. however this is view from either side, that is the individual's choice. I don't think that bringing one person form a relationship and understanding with the same Deity just to satisfy a personal desire or have-to-be-right complex is worth creating a schism. I could be wrong to the utmost extent, but as I think about it, there are way more non-religious people that would except a Christian view that i would not have to argue doctrine with or attempt to tell them what they grew up with or found on their own is wrong. I have no problems with Evangelism. I'd rather just allow what happens to happen and let my actions and life speak louder than my voice going for door-to-door in a 30 minuet widow attempting to convert people, haha.

MasterPerks


DarkHalcyon

PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:12 pm


Ah Shem. I miss him, though I hardly post in his other guild.
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