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 Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:35 pm
Saganoth A Lost Iguana apocalypse5670 again someone else said this the bible has been rewritten so many times that no one is really sure That is not a problem at all given that we have copies of the books in the original (or close to) languages. I would be suprised if a modern exegesis did not contain the books in the most ancient language possible. Ah. I was pretty convinced that the current version of the Bible is the one rewritten during the council of Nicea, under Emperor Constantin (1290?). I think it's "Constantine", but I could be wrong. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy 'Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindboggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non- existance of God.
'The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
'"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguements, you don't. QED."
'"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
'"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.' Which, in some way, does actually prove the non-existance of God. Other than that, we were doing something about this in R.E. last week (and forgive me if the words are misspelt). A God must be: - All powerful (omnipotent) - All loving (benevolent) - All seeing/knowing (omniscient) 1. If God loves us but cannot see evil, he is not omniscient, ergo, he is not a God. 2. If God can see evil and can stop it but choses not to, he is not benevolent, ergo, he is not a God. 3. If God can see evil and wants to stop it but can't, then he is not omnipotent, ergo, he is not a God.
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:41 pm
Im not even going to read any of this becaus ehtere really is no true proof that a god exists. When I see a giant dude talking to me from the sky, then I will believe in god...either that, but I will more than likely believe ive gone ******** crazy stare
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:53 pm
God is an idea formed by people.....
once people stop worship or beliveing in the concept the 'God' will die and fade away...
I don't see how your so called 'proof' proves anything It would be like me insisting that the sky isn't blue...but mauve, or that I predict you will die in the near and hopefully distant future.
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:43 pm
A 2000 year old book is not sufficent proof for the existence of an omnipotent and omniscient deity
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:58 pm
Eurus_Dri A 2000 year old book is not sufficent proof for the existence of an omnipotent and omniscient deity Not to mention that it has been rewritten, retranslated, and added to.
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:19 pm
I understand where all of you are coming from...but I still believe in God...sure there's no solid proof...all I have is what I feel and I feel that God exists...and it took a couple years of my friends basically forcing me to listen to them about religion...it still annoys me that I pretty much had to become a christian to get them to stop but I don't regret becoming one...and I'm not trying to convince anyone to become christian because that would be pointless if they are set against it...and I'm not trying to shove my religion down someone else's throat because I know how it feels like...and I still don't agree with everything that my friends think about religion...it's more of a personal thing than that
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:21 pm
also...I don't think that there will ever be proof that God exists until after we're all dead...and who knows...I might be proven wrong when that happens...but I'd rather live like there is a God and die to find out that there isn't than live like there isn't and find out that there is
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:44 pm
-I'm terribly sorry, but you made that sound like (Yes, not a major Typo.) the Anti-christ.
--But, if I pretend that I didn't think of that, none if that is proof. None of that is proof at all. And I can't argue or defend myself with anything except this...
---We really don't have any idea how we came to be here, so we have no idea what is possible.(We use....what was it....10 or 20 % or our brains.)It could have been sheer coincidence.(sp?) And life after death may not even be anything. Or maybe we go to some upside down world or something. The possiblities are endless. It could be something that has never crossed anyone's mind. Or even endless pain for all time...or only hell no matter how good we were.
~If man must be perfect to reach heaven, then by god, no one will make it to the endless paradise in which they seek.
-Mormean Donfeltin
1875-1954
I will conclude that there is really nothing to discuss, I'm just stating the obvious that you can't see. xd
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:51 pm
True dat, Playa. I love God. Also, his son Jesus is my saviour. Stfu If you want to trash my religion, people, because I don't trash yours (unless your in a freaky cult or some s**t).
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:58 pm
The First Council of Nicaea (invoked by Constantine) was in 325AD where Arianism was declared heresy. In the 13th Century a Pope would have called an council, it would be after the first of the scisms.
If there was a major rewrite then it would have been noticed considering the books of the Hebrew Bible found with the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Basically, the idea that the Bible is mistranslated is pretty much a myth (ignoring the infamous bad translations like the KJB)
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:02 pm
A Lost Iguana The First Council of Nicaea (invoked by Constantine) was in 325AD where Arianism was declared heresy. In the 13th Century a Pope would have called an council, it would be after the first of the scisms. If there was a major rewrite then it would have been noticed considering the books of the Hebrew Bible found with the Dead Sea Scrolls. Basically, the idea that the Bible is mistranslated is pretty much a myth (ignoring the infamous bad translations like the KJB) maybe but its not impossible that it wasnt mistranslated since it was translated so many times into so many languages,
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:15 pm
I'm a Christian and all, but your post kind of pissed me off. It isn't our place to go around acting sassy and authoritarian to try to prove a point. If you want to say God exists, just say it with evidence, sassiness aside. Being sucky at converting so that more people hate Christians should be a sin.
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:33 pm
ChildBeatingNun If I remember correctly, those are all signs that the anti-Christ is coming. Run for your lives!~
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:34 pm
Joey Go! Not that I disagree.. but well look at it like this Prophets are like archers. They shoot there arrow somewhere and slowly, people will begin to paint a target around it. Oooh, nice analogy. ^_^ Sure, many predictions come true, but, do they ever tell you about the ones that don't come true? Nah, those are just ignored and focus set on the ones that happen. Not that I know much about what's written in the bible.
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:41 pm
THAT'S NO PROOF!
(hey god?
yea?
do you exist?
no i'm just a voice in your head telling you to do good things for no reason
I KNEW IT!!!
you humans are so gullible...
waitaminute! do you mean what you just said isn't true?!
no, that's true but i'm talking about them and the bible.
really?
yes. that was just a historical fiction written by a guy who invented time travel and went back to the times of what you call "BC" and wrote a book to change the future. it worked!
smart dude...)
see god doesn't exist *^proof* domokun
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