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Now when you say the Church which one are you referring to? The Church of England or the Vatican?

you know blind faith is not nearly as fulfilling as something backed by FACT.

The sun does not rise or set. It is constant, and the earth rotates around it. FACT

And based on what you just said about homosexuality I give you this. It says in the Bible, plain as day that a man should not lay with another man as he would a women, and visa versa. It also says that they should not enter into the house of the Lord...remember when Jesus showed up and flipped temple tables..there were homsexuals in that church as well as people gambling and drinking,and that was one of the reasons he did it. A Church that is not living in God's image is no church at all...and preachers that stand behind the pulpit and say that it is okay ion Gods eyes are wrong when the Bible clearly states otherwise.

These are just a few of my issues with the Christian religion, don't get me started on Tithes, and preachers who get paid salaries and deacons who steal from churches and molest little boys. I have seen things happen from people who claimed to be men and women of "God" that would make your head spin.

And the pro-abortion sign..First Baptist Church, Jeffersonville Indiana...nuff said.

Wow. No. Just no.

Schevia just summed up the entire thread.

Oh my god. eek

I wanted to ignore this and just claim you're an idiot, but I really feel the need to point out a few things.

1. There's some things facts cannot explain. If you're relying on facts for every aspect of your life, you're pretty ******** dense.
2. We all know that homosexuality is against the word of the Bible. I don't think -anyone- is going to argue that. Now I haven't fully read the Bible, but I'm pretty sure there's plenty of things that point to the Christian God being a forgiving one.
3. You have issue with a community funding their church building so that it can be better. You have issue with preachers getting paid low wages for something most of them dedicate their entire life to. From what I'm hearing, you think the church should be a ran-down shack, and the pastor should be a homeless man.
4. Molesting little boys? Look, I'm not going to deny that it's surely happened at some point, but if you're mixing Catholicism with Christianity, you seriously are very dense.
5. Here's the bottom line. People are people. They are born to "sin", and even the man with the strongest faith will sin often on a weekly basis. Why? Because the littlest things can be considered a sin. One of the biggest draws to the Christian belief is that at the end of the day, when you know you've done wrong, you will be forgiven. I know you're going to say "So that makes it okay to just do whatever?" And no, it does not. But we are human. We make mistakes.

This thread started out as an attempt to get a philosophical discussion going on. The flaw in AJ's attempt is that he failed to realize that this community's mixed views does not offer a great discussion in the long run. For example, somehow Angel managed to turn this entire thing into his disbelief in Christianity. Last I checked, Christianity is far from the only religion. I have no issues with your beliefs or hatred for Christianity (it's the fun part about being Agnostic), but I do have an issue with you shitting on another religion when your facts are -not- facts, and it's just you wanting to create some argument that Christianity is wrong.

tl;dr : Angel just wants to bash Christianity like every other Atheist, don't s**t on others' beliefs just because you don't agree with it, this thread is a mistake, Snypa please lock and/or delete.

Yes the Earth does rotate around the Sun, so technically it isn't rising, that is fact.
But who do you think set that Cosmic Constant up? Not you, not I, nor the scientists that help establish that as fact. Just remember through, before those Scientists that proved those as facts, that bible had already stated this as a fact. God created two great lights. One to rule the day, and the other to rule the night.

It is common knowledge amongst the scientific field that despite the more they try to disprove God, they find more ways that he's word is true. A vast majority of scientist, archeologists, and historians have proven every person in the Bible was a real person. If the Bible is a lie then don't you think one of those people wouldn't have existed?

Also, as for the Jesus kicking the Homosexuals and Gamblers out of the "temple"/"Marketplace". The only reason Jesus acted in such a manner is cause they we're actively sinner in there of. They were tainting ground God/Jesus deemed Holy. As a Christian one is not to participate or lay they're eyes on sinful acts and ways.

So to reiterate on allowing Homosexuals in Church, this is very much acceptable, as long as those homosexuals aren't making out in the pews, or playing dice behind the alter. God/Jesus would accept them.

However to end this post let me ask you this. KNOWING God forgives all you come unto him, asking for forgiveness through the blood of Christ.

How would you react if some came into your place of worship and blatantly sinned, not asking for forgiveness for their transgressions, would you deny them the presence of the Lord?

- The First Baptist Church must be a branch of WBC, or at least Calvinists.

Also Child Molesting is not just a problem within the Church. All have sinned, remember.

Sadly Children are victims of molestation every day, and most of them have nothing to do with the church. So to say just because a few priest have been charged and convicted of this crime that you are giving up on religion or God is foolish. If you want to think that way then you might as well give up on Humanity, separate yourself from them like you have with God and go live on a deserted island. ninja