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Note, I'm typing this as I read through everything, since there isn't a post telling me that members [Kage, Claire, and I] can't post here.

First, I'd like to say ouch... Just ouch... crying Three different comments... on just two pages...

My thoughts on a Council

I've been playing a lot of Settlers of Catan in College recently, so I'm in full support of the Settlement idea. You wouldn't need to just kill off all the Daimyo, rather just nudge it a generation and instill fear and knowledge that we're swords[and fireballs] for hire.

As I read further and further, it sounds like we're deposing an old regime and instating our own. I both endorse and applaud this, but like Hinote said later, it makes us seem like the bad guys, and actually does provide incentive for the Daimyo to stop us, rather than they're greedy and don't like us.

I like the idea of a D&D stat system MUCH, MUCH later, I don't really see why you are against it, but that's just because my first 8 years of roleplay were spent playing D&D from versions 2.0-4.0. [I'm definitely a bit biased on this issue, but I don't think the guild is anywhere near ready, and unless it is restarted from scratch, will ever be ready for a d20 system.] But the system itself really isn't that off the wall. It would allow for much greater party creation and versatility of the players.
FINALLY I got through the walls of text...

You know, scratch all of that, but I won't be deleting it, I'm gonna go on Hiatus for a while.

Strikeouts removed by Hinote, cause, well, he wanted to be able to read it without a headache.

Yes, this thread is open to regular members now! Someone probably should have mentioned that earlier, but I thought of making a post on my way to bed, so, yeah. Looks like you already figured it out anyways.

Basically what we want from you guys, is your opinions on things. What you think of our ideas, any ideas you have yourself. Do you like the path we've chosen? If not, what would you suggest instead? Things like that.

Economy: Economy would basically just be a larger version of the current currency system. Various NPCs would be given their own cash supplies, the village would have one as well. Bits would be added in to ensure that the village profited from each mission, and some things would be added for the village to spend money on. It wouldn't be a lot different from what we have now, just expanded quite a bit. I'm also considering adjusting the coinage to have different types of money, some with less value and such, just to keep things interesting. It could become a bit more complicated for mission payments though, so I'll hold off on that until I've done more research.

Resources: A resource system is something I've always wanted to add into the game, and it would fit amazingly well with the "Pioneer" concept. Besides just having to acquire things from outside sources, we could also add in the ability to get the resources needed for crafting things, to make more advanced equipment, or just to craft them ourselves. Yes, potential blacksmith RPC. That's another concept I've always wanted to play with. A resource system wouldn't be incredibly difficult either. Just think up a list of useful items and materials that an be found in the wild. We're already going to do it for the medical stuff, why not expand? It's also something that can be slowly built up/in over time though, so I'm not against the "Beta" plan.

Equipment: Village distribution, Shopping from outside smiths, stealing from caravans, there's lots of ways we can make this work. I really like the theft one, wish I'd thought of it. The limited equipment offers a pile of ways for us to make interesting new missions, and even expand on those concepts later. When the daimyo realizes his shipments are being stolen, he's sure to add more guards to future shipments, and so on. Of course, the types of equipment available will be limited until we get our own blacksmith in the village. Most likely that means any kunai, shuriken, ninja wire, and so on, weapons only shinobi use, will only be available if stolen from other ninja. Or we slip in a blacksmith sympathetic to ninja someplace that is willing to make such things.

Stats: Strength, Speed, Ninjutsu Power, Genjutsu Power, Genjutsu Resistance, Stealth, Perception, Attack Speed, Reaction Speed, and I feel like I'm forgetting at least one more. Those are the stats we currently use. We'd also have to add Chakra, completely redoing the chakra system. The professions would all have to be redone again to fit, types and weaknesses would also need to be redone. Jutsu might have to be redone, and most bloodlines and clans would have to be altered to match as well. Just designing the stat system could take anywhere from a few days, to a couple months. Fitting all the stats we use into it in some way, and accounting for any others we don't directly reference yet but realize we will along the way will take time all on it's own. After the stat system is done, along with a completely redone chakra system since it'd have to be merged in, we'd still have to do all those other things.

If the guild was active and doing well, I'd be the first to say go for it. Right now though, all I want is to get the guild going again. The longer it takes to get RP up and rolling again, the less likely even I am to stick around. It is too big a project right now to get a good stat system working, and will definitely triple the time it takes to rebuild the guild. Certainly keep it in mind, keep thinking of ways to improve it, maybe even write some down, but it can't be our focus until we have a working guild to use it in. As of late I've felt like I was wasting my time sometimes just trying to fix up a bloodline or two, much less create one of the most difficult to put together properly systems known to RP. I want one, I really do. I just want a working guild more. Those systems work fine for the moment, all we need to focus on right now is the world itself, and save that for later when we know it's worth the effort.

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@Timmy: Pretty sure you know this already, but all the comments about you WERE joking. Your input is wanted, as is anyone elses, I just have to ask that you please make sure it's not crazy first. Since we're not talking NPCs right now, that actually shouldn't be a problem. What OOC roles would you suggest for any of those council options? I'm leaning towards the "Economic" definitely being one, and would probably link it to your "Agricultural". The latter has little meaning to a ninja village with very few civilians, but it's purpose, acquiring goods, would fall under economic.

@Kagetsu: In my vision, we are the first group of organized ninja trying to settle land. Other groups still exist, either acting as wandering mercenaries, or working directly for various warring factions. So, ninja working for the Daimyo? Definitely going to happen. The daimyo will also have more advanced non-ninja warriors too though. Actual soldiers and warriors, not the simple bandits you might be thinking of. Bandits have minimal training and are only really a threat in numbers. True warriors can take on a ninja by merit of their skill alone.

Demons will most likely be restricted for awhile, and low priority in revamps. If you want to keep yours, you can. If not, you're free to drop it too. I'll probably use them for a random event once in awhile, or even have an NPC jinchuuriki roaming about, depending on how I feel and the story will handle it. I'll probably lock down the demons temporarily and only have them available one at a time when I enact one of those events. Heck, If they are defeated I'll probably have them sealed into an inanimate and then open auditions rather than having any pre-arranged host before the attack. Sadly Kyuubi won't be available for a long time yet. I do have big plans for him, but plan on doing all the rest first.

Long range attacks are hard to define. We've briefly discussed an accuracy stat that would make it harder to dodge things, but never got real deep into it. If you can think of a good method though, please mention it, though in a new/different thread to keep this one on topic. We have a few different characters talking long range fighters now, so it'd be a good thing to have.

The learning system was ditched a few months(?) ago in favor of learning directly by purchase. Check the starter forum for details. (I found it pointless too.)

Your opinions on the world map are the same as my own. i think that should be our first big project, since it's the most important to just getting things ready to go again. What does the world look like? Where are we based? That sort of thing. Again, any ideas are more than welcomed. If you like you could even draw up that map for us and we'd probably use whatever you offered up, especially since you already seem to have a good understanding of what it needs.

On civilians... Check the rulebook. <.< >.>

Hm... This post is probably pretty long already and my brain just decided to take a nap, so, yeah. I'll end it here.

Council: You make an interesting point as far as missions go Hikaro. By not having one sole person handle missions, we open up different types of missions based on the council member sought out, which in turn kind of plays into the different styles of RPC's played. Some people want to consistently be on the front lines as far as fighting or even stealth missions go, however some rpc's tend to remain rather passive in nature, so it would make sense that most of their missions were suited towards that style of play (Going to other villages to get weapons, diplomatic missions, etc.). Letting duties sort themselves out naturally seems like a good fit, it gives the village and the council members room to grow.

Stats: I was agreeing. I'm interested in the idea of expanding what we have a bit down the road once we're up and running, but first we have to actually be up and running as you yourself already know. For the time being, our systems should suffice.
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You bring up an interesting point as far as advanced non-shinobi combatants go. We have all these styles sitting around (truthfully most need some polishing up), and for the most part they aren't chakra intensive if at all. It's obvious that even a non-shinobi team with varying degrees of expertise in different Tai/Ken styles would pose quite the threat to a shinobi squad. You don't have to look farther than Rock Lee as an example to the testament of how a well trained Taijutsu specialist could wreak havoc. Just as well like Hinote mentioned, daimyo have the funds to outright hire any other shinobi forces that are opposed to the settling of this village, or rather still operating as mercenaries. Trust me, we don't plan on making everything a cake walk.

Demons will more than likely pop up as we go along. It gives us time to actually finish them and work intensively on one if only to release it soon, than to spread ourselves thin by trying to work on all nine plus lesser demons at the same time.

Learning system was indeed ditched, I'm pretty sure in our July update we made it a point to mention that training was no longer a factor.

As far as the map goes, honestly I've been thinking we could always take a blank map of the Narutoverse and divvy (that's a weird word to spell) up the land as we see fit. This would allow us to expand starting from anywhere on the map, place whatever style of climate/region we want on the map instead of following an already outlined map, and fix the kind of annoying instances of having for example Shimogakure right between a plains region and a mountainous region instead of towards the North.

I agree with Hinote on this. While we should depart from our past, we should also recognize it. This is indeed a path we're taking for this RP. Making the name change episodic is an interesting idea in itself as well, it would kind of be a simple way to categorize what direction the guild seems to be going towards within each "episode".

PotS: BoaV seems more fitting than the former.

Since the guild is going I be about the first village, maybe we should add a hunting and gathering system. Maybe even for certain animals it takes x amount of posts to kill/capture. Of course the animal pelt and meat can be sold for a certain amount of gold along with the herbs. We can probably even throw in some rare animals (albino animals or mythical animals. Mythical may be pushing it though.) as for herbs/plants it can be from healing to poisoning or just regular fruits.
We could also mix it up with a rare fruit found in bandit territory where wild lion, tigers, and bears wander around. So the fruit could be worth 1000 gold with a risk of 50% of obtaining.

I agree with Hinote. Personally, I don't think we should put too much on making new systems just yet. With our handful of members, I think it'd be better to work on making the most interactive setting we can and work on introducing those systems once we're on our feet.

In regards to the village economy though if enough members perform enough missions perhaps the village could buy certain things like better defenses, shops, better equipment( upgrading technology), etc. Perhaps the ninja would have to travel to other locations in caravans to bring in new equipment. Once enough missions are performed we could buy our own skilled blacksmith that attracts revenue from passerby's and gives ninjas discounts to equipment.

I typed out a big post, and Gaia thought I shouldn't post it because I'd waited too long to hit send.

Anyway, to sum it up, I could edit the D&D system to give us a stat system with base stats, and then derived ability scores based on those stats. Main would be Str, Dex, Con, Wis/chakra equivalent, Int. Derived would be Taijutsu, Ken, Speed, Acc, End, General Tankiness, Nin/gen Ability, Rea, Gen Res. You'd pour points into the derived more than the base, unless you just wanted to be an unskilled behemoth. [They'd also be Attributes and Skills, so there would be a clear separation.] I have the book to do it with right here even.

As for Map making, there is a thing called googling map makers. I've found a couple, but the good ones I've found cost money. P-bay probably has them for free though.

Oh, and I'm back because Rushing through half of a ps vita game in 1 day made me quite happy. And I just didn't like that you guys basically talked behind my back more than anything. Yay, short concise post after a wall of text on par with how hinote's posts have recently been...

Due to internet issues I am coming in a bit late. I'll try responding to everything I missed. I will try to remove any redundant info other people have said but dont kill me if I miss something.
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You no longer have to train to learn jutsu as of the last update (before we decided to reboot).
Bloodlines and Clans: We COULD treat bloodlines as sort of mutations, and leave clans alone as specialized famiy... stuff. It could theoretically be possible for those with the less used bloodlines (as in not Sharingan or Byakugan) that an RPC would be the very first of their kind. This would be a very fun idea, and we would no longer have to worry about everyone already knowing everything about your bloodline by default (something which occurred uncomfortably often in POTS).
Note: we do not actually have a senju bloodline.

RPC Blacksmith would probably require a resource system to work. Something I do not think we should introduce (at least not on the RPC level). We have been considering a beta version on the villagewide scale, to bring some sense into RP as well as see how such a system would work.

Economy: As i have stated before I do not believe we should expand the economy too much. Different currencies specifically is one headache which really doesn't need to translate into RP.

Resources: already said my piece on this. Think we should keep this crew/village side only as a beta until we have enough members for it to be worth introducing.

Stats:

Tha Map: Reusing the original naruto map though is sort of pushing it, simply because when people see it (if they are familiar with the original) they will make all kinds of assumptions as to what should be where. I imagine we will end up with the same general setup, where eventually we have all of the main areas (sand, snow, mountains, forest, island). Plus, there isnt actually that much room for growth in the original map. We may want to consider using something resembling an actual continent rather than just greenland if we want to think long term. Plus then you dont have to explain how you have 20 different biomes on a fairly small continent. The idea is simply that we want to be able to explore new areas if somewhere down the line we decide we want to. Drawing a map from scratch really wouldnt be too hard, I may even consider it personally if I can find some good inspiration.

Village Location: I was thinking we should start in a forest since it is the most intuitive place for a village, and RP would match a bit better. Plus it creates more mission possibilities.
Other ideas could be: Rain forest/Jungle, existing city, snowy forest/mountain thing or a non-misty island not far from the mainland.
I recommend against starting in a: cloud, desert, Swamp, Volcano (badass as it could be), Snowlands (where everything has snow all the time), atlantis, anywhere in plain sight like a plain or any other heavily themed area.

Edit: I admit a bamboo forest is rather intriguing. Seriously, it would be difficult to navigate through, much less find a village in, could be dangerous to the uninitiated *outsiders", would give reasonable building materials etc, and would be cool without being too themy.

Village name: We could just go with something simple. Haven or suchlike. Or we could go with the "village hiddin in the ___" (__gakure) format but frankly those have all been done already in canon. (not to mention no POTS or Naruto village has REALLY been that hidden. Kinda hard to hide a city). We would basically have to use awkward synonyms which might not even make sense in Japanese. Village hidden in the... dust etc. Although a fun one could be "village hidden in plain sight" XP
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Idea: We could create a single thread Beta world to use as a sandbox for your characters. Kill them off and create them as you like. No worrying about formats or jutsu or even professions. If everyone joins in (or anyone really) we can pick all kinds of ideas from it.

BTW with Martin actively helping our number just went up one. Looks like progress, if only barely. Welcome back Martin sir bossman.