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 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:05 pm
Silverlink2010 [Satan] 2.0 [~Paper~] I live in America but I'm not all that Patriotic. I'm Hispanic so I don't show much American Pride. During the Pledge I sit down but if the teacher tells me to stand up I say "I don't support america" America= Good place to live. People who live there= Suck.
Yeah, I don't really care for pledge either and since I moved to TX I have to recite another pledge The Texas Pledge. [Satan] 2.0 I agree with you because there isn't only one belief, and didn't you say you were an atheist.
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:17 pm
Hrm. I was in seventh grade... eleven years old (wow, I don't remember being so young D: ). I didn't find out about it until our teachers had a big discussion with us on how it happened and what was going on. A lot of people were scared that a huge war was going to happen that would involve Canada because we're beside the US so I was a little scared because of that. Besides a bit of tension, like a few people here it didn't really bother me all that much. I felt bad for people involved but I was more lucky that it didn't happen to me. My mom was glued to the TV constantly for like two months afterwards... yeah.
I think that 9/11 was taken too seriously because although terrorism is horrible, why did people decide because of one incident that everything must be fixed? I mean, aids kills more people than terrorism ever will and nobody pays that much attention to it. I'm not at all trying to be judgemental and unemotional because I do feel for the people that were involved but just as a general statement I think it was taken a little too crazily. People were scared for reasons that they shouldn't have been, etc.
I'll shut up now.
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:14 pm
I live in America and love it and I'm very Patriotic.The only problem I have with it is in the earlier times the country was separeted by African-Americans and Caucasian,but now it's a different separetion,Democrats and Republicans.There is constant political fighting.Alot of the media is Democratic that sends out one message which influences younger people on there decissions.So that makes people automaticaly at a person who who does some that those people don't want making them mad and making everyone else who goes by them mad.That is my opinion on how the U.S. is divided.
(I mean one offence to no one that is my own opion)
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:01 pm
Jo_Momma I live in America and love it and I'm very Patriotic.The only problem I have with it is in the earlier times the country was separeted by African-Americans and Caucasian,but now it's a different separetion,Democrats and Republicans.There is constant political fighting.Alot of the media is Democratic that sends out one message which influences younger people on there decissions.So that makes people automaticaly at a person who who does some that those people don't want making them mad and making everyone else who goes by them mad.That is my opinion on how the U.S. is divided. (I mean one offence to no one that is my own opion)
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:21 pm
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:29 pm
Where were you on 9/11?
How old were you? like 9 (3rd grade)
How did it effect you? i didnt go to school that day
What images did you feel to be most shocking or effecting? the crash of the building
Should 9/11 be remembered or forgotten? remembered
Do some people take 9/11 too seriously? yes
What do you think about the media and 9/11; all of the movies coming out?
I think what happened on 9/11 is a good topic for movies. This horrible day leads to many interesting terrorist movies and shows.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:27 pm
You know, I hope I don't offend anyone too much or bring too much fire and brimstone to myself but I have to say that I find it disturbing to read all these posts about not being patriotic.
I don't think you guys realize just how lucky you are to live in America. There is a whole lot of stuff that goes on in those Middle Eastern countries and the rest of the third world countries that are pretty comparable to hell. I think we got a taste of it when the David Berg video slipped out onto the internet. I do not advise any of you to go watch it though. I almost went into shock when I saw it, I couldn't stop shaking and felt like I was going to throw up for a good amount of time after seeing it.
I am truly saddened that you feel the statement "One nation under God," is meant to bash your religious beliefs. Because it's not. This country was founded with the basis of Christianity but it was never meant to enforce it. I believe that "God" in the pledge was meant to be for all kinds of religion seeing that this country was also founded to escape religious prosecution. Saying the pledge isn't representative of being willing to go to war, it's having pride that you have opportunities and that we are able to live the way we choose without worrying that we'll be killed unjustly. It's about respecting those who have fought for us so that we can have the freedoms of education and choosing what we want to say.
There are awful things happening in this world everyday, genocide, infanticide, children being sold into prostitution and slavery, and entire nations are dying because of the dictators that refuse to help their people while they squander fortunes on themself. I still think it's a miracle that I was born in this country. We have it so easy it's sick. I think a lot of people take it for granted. We live in a 21st century world while there are still 10th century barbarians cutting people's heads off and eating eachother.
However, I still think that most of you are young and haven't seen that much of what it's like out in the rest of the world. Our media is s**t and only shows what they want to show. But take some classes when you're older that deal with world issues and you'll learn about some of the atrocities that have happened and that are still happening in the world today, then you may want to rethink being unpatriotic.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:42 pm
Otanchin You know, I hope I don't offend anyone too much or bring too much fire and brimstone to myself but I have to say that I find it disturbing to read all these posts about not being patriotic. I don't think you guys realize just how lucky you are to live in America. There is a whole lot of stuff that goes on in those Middle Eastern countries and the rest of the third world countries that are pretty comparable to hell. I think we got a taste of it when the David Berg video slipped out onto the internet. I do not advise any of you to go watch it though. I almost went into shock when I saw it, I couldn't stop shaking and felt like I was going to throw up for a good amount of time after seeing it. I am truly saddened that you feel the statement "One nation under God," is meant to bash your religious beliefs. Because it's not. This country was founded with the basis of Christianity but it was never meant to enforce it. I believe that "God" in the pledge was meant to be for all kinds of religion seeing that this country was also founded to escape religious prosecution. Saying the pledge isn't representative of being willing to go to war, it's having pride that you have opportunities and that we are able to live the way we choose without worrying that we'll be killed unjustly. It's about respecting those who have fought for us so that we can have the freedoms of education and choosing what we want to say. There are awful things happening in this world everyday, genocide, infanticide, children being sold into prostitution and slavery, and entire nations are dying because of the dictators that refuse to help their people while they squander fortunes on themself. I still think it's a miracle that I was born in this country. We have it so easy it's sick. I think a lot of people take it for granted. We live in a 21st century world while there are still 10th century barbarians cutting people's heads off and eating eachother. However, I still think that most of you are young and haven't seen that much of what it's like out in the rest of the world. Our media is s**t and only shows what they want to show. But take some classes when you're older that deal with world issues and you'll learn about some of the atrocities that have happened and that are still happening in the world today, then you may want to rethink being unpatriotic. *stands up and applaudes*That is the way I see it.I think the media is only showing one side of two giving a unfavorable balance to people who don't research on that stuff.I also agree on the people taking advantage of this country not realizing what else goes on in other countries.I agree with you 100%.
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:37 pm
Otanchin You know, I hope I don't offend anyone too much or bring too much fire and brimstone to myself but I have to say that I find it disturbing to read all these posts about not being patriotic. I don't think you guys realize just how lucky you are to live in America. There is a whole lot of stuff that goes on in those Middle Eastern countries and the rest of the third world countries that are pretty comparable to hell. I think we got a taste of it when the David Berg video slipped out onto the internet. I do not advise any of you to go watch it though. I almost went into shock when I saw it, I couldn't stop shaking and felt like I was going to throw up for a good amount of time after seeing it. I am truly saddened that you feel the statement "One nation under God," is meant to bash your religious beliefs. Because it's not. This country was founded with the basis of Christianity but it was never meant to enforce it. I believe that "God" in the pledge was meant to be for all kinds of religion seeing that this country was also founded to escape religious prosecution. Saying the pledge isn't representative of being willing to go to war, it's having pride that you have opportunities and that we are able to live the way we choose without worrying that we'll be killed unjustly. It's about respecting those who have fought for us so that we can have the freedoms of education and choosing what we want to say. There are awful things happening in this world everyday, genocide, infanticide, children being sold into prostitution and slavery, and entire nations are dying because of the dictators that refuse to help their people while they squander fortunes on themself. I still think it's a miracle that I was born in this country. We have it so easy it's sick. I think a lot of people take it for granted. We live in a 21st century world while there are still 10th century barbarians cutting people's heads off and eating eachother. However, I still think that most of you are young and haven't seen that much of what it's like out in the rest of the world. Our media is s**t and only shows what they want to show. But take some classes when you're older that deal with world issues and you'll learn about some of the atrocities that have happened and that are still happening in the world today, then you may want to rethink being unpatriotic.
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:48 pm
Am I included in that part?
I think part of what needs to be taken into consideration is the views of other people on what is being patriotic. I took the Greek ideals of Civitas, Dignitas, and Gravitas, and maybe it was being a little revisionistic about things.
I don't care about the "one nation under God" part. (Sometimes i think that's completely useless because it's drilled into our heads at a young age and doesnt' really have its effect, it's only people who feel a minority rage who say that's beingn politically incorrect IMO.) And i don't really understadn teh two connections between the The Pledge of Allegience and the freedoms of education, but it's all inference.
Our media isn't all that bad, we dont' have restricted censorship like other countried (i.e. China) and some of the world issues are horrible but these are the times in which we live, and some things have to be reconsidered to include our inference of meanings, and misinterpritation of inference, oversimplificiation, and faulty analogy.
bwuh, i just finished writing my humanities article review yesterday. i'm in humanities evaluation mode.
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:56 pm
Five years ago? Umm... I believe I was in... grade five. I was small then. But even then, I felt huge sympathies for those who were either injured, dead, or a family/friend of someone who was. Sure, I donated, and sincerely meant that I was sad to hear this happen or thoughtfully listened about the incident, but I didn't really go beyond that. What I mean is, I didn't think about the after effects. Later on did I realize that the States (no offense to anyone here) would definitely go after Afghanistan. And it was then when the US asked for Canada's assistance, which we didn't give, naturally. Why? One, we're peacekeepers. We don't provoke anyone. And two, truthfully, we can hardly defend our own borders with that reputation. I mean, "Canada has the largest, unprotected borders," which I somewhat disagree to us doing. We were one of the best during the World Wars! Oops. Off topic. >__< But...umm...where was I? Oh, yes. Of course, this meant a bigger pile up of rivalry between Canada and the States. What with the mad cow crisis, who can deny that one of the main reasons the States did not allow our beef to come through the borders was because of the grudge they held from the September 11th incident? Nonetheless, it is apparent that this tragic occurance has greatly impacted countries around the world, and sadly, not in a positive way.
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:22 pm
Otanchin You know, I hope I don't offend anyone too much or bring too much fire and brimstone to myself but I have to say that I find it disturbing to read all these posts about not being patriotic. I don't think you guys realize just how lucky you are to live in America. There is a whole lot of stuff that goes on in those Middle Eastern countries and the rest of the third world countries that are pretty comparable to hell. I think we got a taste of it when the David Berg video slipped out onto the internet. I do not advise any of you to go watch it though. I almost went into shock when I saw it, I couldn't stop shaking and felt like I was going to throw up for a good amount of time after seeing it. I am truly saddened that you feel the statement "One nation under God," is meant to bash your religious beliefs. Because it's not. This country was founded with the basis of Christianity but it was never meant to enforce it. I believe that "God" in the pledge was meant to be for all kinds of religion seeing that this country was also founded to escape religious prosecution. Saying the pledge isn't representative of being willing to go to war, it's having pride that you have opportunities and that we are able to live the way we choose without worrying that we'll be killed unjustly. It's about respecting those who have fought for us so that we can have the freedoms of education and choosing what we want to say. There are awful things happening in this world everyday, genocide, infanticide, children being sold into prostitution and slavery, and entire nations are dying because of the dictators that refuse to help their people while they squander fortunes on themself. I still think it's a miracle that I was born in this country. We have it so easy it's sick. I think a lot of people take it for granted. We live in a 21st century world while there are still 10th century barbarians cutting people's heads off and eating eachother. However, I still think that most of you are young and haven't seen that much of what it's like out in the rest of the world. Our media is s**t and only shows what they want to show. But take some classes when you're older that deal with world issues and you'll learn about some of the atrocities that have happened and that are still happening in the world today, then you may want to rethink being unpatriotic. I, myself, live in Canada, so I guess whatever I say isn't necessarily applicable, but bare with me.
I believe that 9/11, did, indeed, strengthen the citizens of the United States. It was really great to see New Yorker's helping out at the WTC scene after the attacks. That always made me smile, after days of watching the planes continually crash into the towers. I beleive that, if you want to call it patriotism, than those people were very patriotic, and - I, myself - was glad to have them as a part of my country...make that continent. Everyone defines patriotism differently. People who bash the US because that's what all of their friends are doing should look into developing their own opinions. If you're proud to live in America, that's good. Great. You're proud of your country. However, "patriotism" can definetely be taken too far. When there's people saying that the USA is the best country in the world, and Iraq is the scum of the scum, that's enough. Being proud of your own country does not corrolate with bashing another. Though some of the terrorists were indeed Iraqi, and many terrorists reside in Iraq, labelling a country because of some of it's citizens is wrong. That's like calling Germany "Hitler's Country," or labelling the USA as a bad country due to Charles Manson. Stop with the bashing of other countries, and just stick to being proud of your own.
Also, the "America-Is-The-Greatest-Nation-To-Ever-Grace-The-Planet" demographic is also a bit over the top. I find that insulting. Who are you to say that America is the greatest planet in the world? What is this based on? Money? Freedoms? Yes, America is wealthy and developed, as well as a mostly "free" country. But America also has one of the highest murder rates. That doesn't sound so good.
I saw the Nick Berg tape last year. I knew to expect a decapitation, but it only really shocked me when I saw it. I felt uncomfortable for days.
(P.S. Otan, none of this is towards you. Just general statements. I LOVE YOU TOO MUCH. heart )
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:24 pm
Spamster Otanchin You know, I hope I don't offend anyone too much or bring too much fire and brimstone to myself but I have to say that I find it disturbing to read all these posts about not being patriotic. I don't think you guys realize just how lucky you are to live in America. There is a whole lot of stuff that goes on in those Middle Eastern countries and the rest of the third world countries that are pretty comparable to hell. I think we got a taste of it when the David Berg video slipped out onto the internet. I do not advise any of you to go watch it though. I almost went into shock when I saw it, I couldn't stop shaking and felt like I was going to throw up for a good amount of time after seeing it. I am truly saddened that you feel the statement "One nation under God," is meant to bash your religious beliefs. Because it's not. This country was founded with the basis of Christianity but it was never meant to enforce it. I believe that "God" in the pledge was meant to be for all kinds of religion seeing that this country was also founded to escape religious prosecution. Saying the pledge isn't representative of being willing to go to war, it's having pride that you have opportunities and that we are able to live the way we choose without worrying that we'll be killed unjustly. It's about respecting those who have fought for us so that we can have the freedoms of education and choosing what we want to say. There are awful things happening in this world everyday, genocide, infanticide, children being sold into prostitution and slavery, and entire nations are dying because of the dictators that refuse to help their people while they squander fortunes on themself. I still think it's a miracle that I was born in this country. We have it so easy it's sick. I think a lot of people take it for granted. We live in a 21st century world while there are still 10th century barbarians cutting people's heads off and eating eachother. However, I still think that most of you are young and haven't seen that much of what it's like out in the rest of the world. Our media is s**t and only shows what they want to show. But take some classes when you're older that deal with world issues and you'll learn about some of the atrocities that have happened and that are still happening in the world today, then you may want to rethink being unpatriotic. I, myself, live in Canada, so I guess whatever I say isn't necessarily applicable, but bare with me.
I believe that 9/11, did, indeed, strengthen the citizens of the United States. It was really great to see New Yorker's helping out at the WTC scene after the attacks. That always made me smile, after days of watching the planes continually crash into the towers. I beleive that, if you want to call it patriotism, than those people were very patriotic, and - I, myself - was glad to have them as a part of my country...make that continent. Everyone defines patriotism differently. People who bash the US because that's what all of their friends are doing should look into developing their own opinions. If you're proud to live in America, that's good. Great. You're proud of your country. However, "patriotism" can definetely be taken too far. When there's people saying that the USA is the best country in the world, and Iraq is the scum of the scum, that's enough. Being proud of your own country does not corrolate with bashing another. Though some of the terrorists were indeed Iraqi, and many terrorists reside in Iraq, labelling a country because of some of it's citizens is wrong. That's like calling Germany "Hitler's Country," or labelling the USA as a bad country due to Charles Manson. Stop with the bashing of other countries, and just stick to being proud of your own.
Also, the "America-Is-The-Greatest-Nation-To-Ever-Grace-The-Planet" demographic is also a bit over the top. I find that insulting. Who are you to say that America is the greatest planet in the world? What is this based on? Money? Freedoms? Yes, America is wealthy and developed, as well as a mostly "free" country. But America also has one of the highest murder rates. That doesn't sound so good.
I saw the Nick Berg tape last year. I knew to expect a decapitation, but it only really shocked me when I saw it. I felt uncomfortable for days.
(P.S. Otan, none of this is towards you. Just general statements. I LOVE YOU TOO MUCH. heart ) ilu2spammy. (: And I didn't mean that America was the best country by any means, because I know we're not. There are a lot of embarassments that our country has to face and accept. When the Rwandan genocides were happening we did nothing to help. A lot of people didn't even know about it until "Hotel Rwanda" came out, even I didn't. But that leaves the question of why we didn't help. Why? What was us for there to gain? And I don't think that people have to be flag toting soldiers of patriotism by any means. xd I'm just saying in general, to at least respect what we take for granted.
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:59 pm
Otanchin Spamster Otanchin You know, I hope I don't offend anyone too much or bring too much fire and brimstone to myself but I have to say that I find it disturbing to read all these posts about not being patriotic. I don't think you guys realize just how lucky you are to live in America. There is a whole lot of stuff that goes on in those Middle Eastern countries and the rest of the third world countries that are pretty comparable to hell. I think we got a taste of it when the David Berg video slipped out onto the internet. I do not advise any of you to go watch it though. I almost went into shock when I saw it, I couldn't stop shaking and felt like I was going to throw up for a good amount of time after seeing it. I am truly saddened that you feel the statement "One nation under God," is meant to bash your religious beliefs. Because it's not. This country was founded with the basis of Christianity but it was never meant to enforce it. I believe that "God" in the pledge was meant to be for all kinds of religion seeing that this country was also founded to escape religious prosecution. Saying the pledge isn't representative of being willing to go to war, it's having pride that you have opportunities and that we are able to live the way we choose without worrying that we'll be killed unjustly. It's about respecting those who have fought for us so that we can have the freedoms of education and choosing what we want to say. There are awful things happening in this world everyday, genocide, infanticide, children being sold into prostitution and slavery, and entire nations are dying because of the dictators that refuse to help their people while they squander fortunes on themself. I still think it's a miracle that I was born in this country. We have it so easy it's sick. I think a lot of people take it for granted. We live in a 21st century world while there are still 10th century barbarians cutting people's heads off and eating eachother. However, I still think that most of you are young and haven't seen that much of what it's like out in the rest of the world. Our media is s**t and only shows what they want to show. But take some classes when you're older that deal with world issues and you'll learn about some of the atrocities that have happened and that are still happening in the world today, then you may want to rethink being unpatriotic. I, myself, live in Canada, so I guess whatever I say isn't necessarily applicable, but bare with me.
I believe that 9/11, did, indeed, strengthen the citizens of the United States. It was really great to see New Yorker's helping out at the WTC scene after the attacks. That always made me smile, after days of watching the planes continually crash into the towers. I beleive that, if you want to call it patriotism, than those people were very patriotic, and - I, myself - was glad to have them as a part of my country...make that continent. Everyone defines patriotism differently. People who bash the US because that's what all of their friends are doing should look into developing their own opinions. If you're proud to live in America, that's good. Great. You're proud of your country. However, "patriotism" can definetely be taken too far. When there's people saying that the USA is the best country in the world, and Iraq is the scum of the scum, that's enough. Being proud of your own country does not corrolate with bashing another. Though some of the terrorists were indeed Iraqi, and many terrorists reside in Iraq, labelling a country because of some of it's citizens is wrong. That's like calling Germany "Hitler's Country," or labelling the USA as a bad country due to Charles Manson. Stop with the bashing of other countries, and just stick to being proud of your own.
Also, the "America-Is-The-Greatest-Nation-To-Ever-Grace-The-Planet" demographic is also a bit over the top. I find that insulting. Who are you to say that America is the greatest planet in the world? What is this based on? Money? Freedoms? Yes, America is wealthy and developed, as well as a mostly "free" country. But America also has one of the highest murder rates. That doesn't sound so good.
I saw the Nick Berg tape last year. I knew to expect a decapitation, but it only really shocked me when I saw it. I felt uncomfortable for days.
(P.S. Otan, none of this is towards you. Just general statements. I LOVE YOU TOO MUCH. heart ) ilu2spammy. (: And I didn't mean that America was the best country by any means, because I know we're not. There are a lot of embarassments that our country has to face and accept. When the Rwandan genocides were happening we did nothing to help. A lot of people didn't even know about it until "Hotel Rwanda" came out, even I didn't. But that leaves the question of why we didn't help. Why? What was us for there to gain? And I don't think that people have to be flag toting soldiers of patriotism by any means. xd I'm just saying in general, to at least respect what we take for granted. 3nodding heart heart
I only knew about Rwanda because of a Peackeeping project, so I guess I'm to blame, too.
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:10 am
I'm not saying helping others is a bad thing, but America really needs to help itself first.
it's really doing nothing to treat the poverty issues, as well as health, crime rate, environmental and greater education.
I like living in Amercia to a certain extent, but it's got it's own problems that it should be working on. Like keeping it's jobs in America and not outsourcing them.
They say the economy is declining, well I wonder why. If there are little to no jobs out there that pay well, who is going to spend their money?
So then they close down more jobs and outsource.... It's a viscious cycle.
Every government makes mistakes, but really we should learn from them. Instead of repeating them over and over.
With the voting that America set up recently in Iran, the people voted for Hamas and then America said they'd have nothing to do with them, if Hamas was in rule.
The government is a complete Hypocracy.
I'm not any one particular party, but I do lean towards Liberal/Green/Democratic more so that Republican.
Though I find some of the Republicans views good as well.
And the whole "under God" in the plege means little to nothing for it's context now since it was created for the times over 200 years ago. Now we have many different religions as well as religions that don't believe in any god.
So one nation, indivisible should be sufficient.
I'm not trying to offend anybody. I like America as a whole, in what it stands for, and in that sense I'm patriotic. But America is not living up to it's own standards.
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