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 Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:28 pm
The AngeI of Love mia loved1 well i have a couple things to say. 1. homosexuality was verry comon before and slightly after the bibil was written (thats out of my history book) 2. isn't it also said that if we ask for forgivness we wont go to hell? we're taught to be good people. that we have a kind and forgiving god. he is our father (church) 3. i belive god created sciance. he created evolution to throw us off but Jesus forgot to mention it. or purposly didnt say anything. i used to go to church and i have a bible of my oun. i went to sunday school. my parents have taught me about jesus and we celibrate him on christmas, not santa. Those are some very good points Mia (: Ill Address them one by one. 1. It was actually very common especially in the cities of Soddom and Gomorrah. Im not sure if you've heard this story in sunday school or not, but it is when God decided to destroy these two cities because so many people were sleeping with eachother (male and female) That God destroyed it. The people who knew God and worshipped Him were told that God would send fire down to destroy the cities. As they were fleeing, one man's wife looked back (God had told them not to) and turned to a pillar of salt right then and there. You see, there was a TOn of sin going on so God put an end to it on the spot. Your history book is correct about that though, and there still is homosexuality going on all-over the place today. 2. Yes, If we ask for forgiveness and turn from our sin and live for Jesus we will go to Heaven (also called repentance). But the thing is many people think they can ask for forgiveness and then keep on going about their lives as if nothing has changed. That kind of forgiveness won't work if you dont mean it with your heart. 3. many people ar thrown off with this very topic. God did not creat evolution, however, God created man, and man created the idea of evolution. Before evolutionists became prominent, almost everyone was very into religion and God or gods. I personally believe that God allowed man to create the idea of Evolution so that we, as human beings, would have a choice to love God and believe in Him. When someone is forced to hang out with you, it isn't much fun. But when you make plans with them and they WANT to hang out with you, its WAy more fun! God didn't want people to Love him because they had no other choice, He wanted us to Love him because we wanted to. (: ~Allie shouldn't gay people have the right to love the same sex then. how is that a sin? its like saying its a sin not to have children.
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:38 pm
mia loved1 shouldn't gay people have the right to love the same sex then. how is that a sin? its like saying its a sin not to have children. In Genesis 2, God states that He made man for women and women for man. If you look back up to the original post with the question "If I'm Gay will I go to Hell?" You'll see a list of some verses that point it out as a sin. (:
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:01 pm
god/jesus didn't write the bible though, his disiples did. so couldn't they have added their opinions in or lied? it says to love everyone as equals but they cant love each other? if it's so bad, why would god give them thoughs erges, and if the devil did why wouldn't god try to save them from that?
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:37 pm
Garland-Green The AngeI of Love Garland-Green This is a very nice initiative by the Original poster. Science has become a religion that most people trust without questions. If you claim something outlandish and tag science on to it most people are more than willing to accept it. Not everything that claims to be science is science, but theories. Most will cling to their theories though as if they were true and reject God and his free gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ, even though nature is abundant with proof of a Creator. Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? Thank-you for your post biggrin It does make a lot of sense, though smile If you can thinkof any questions that people might have, let me know and I will do my best to answer them for anyone else who happens to look at this thread ^^' ~Allie Stars are millions of light years away from earth, and it takes million of years for the light of these distant stars to hit earth. Would that make earth millions of years old assuming the stars are that distant? smile When God created man, He created him as what? Adult or Baby? When He created the chicken, He did not create an egg, for it would have required a Hen to protect and hatch it. When God created the earth, He created a fully mature world that looked "billions of years old," and yet was only a few seconds old! This universe looks old, but that is only because God created everything mature and ready to reproduce themselves, from the simple atomic and genetic levels all the way up to the most complex of galaxies (Gen 1:11,12,21,22). (answering my own question) razz
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:50 pm
The AngeI of Love starry night-163 Here's a good question; If God is all knowing and knows the future, why did he create man knowing we were gonna fall and be damned? Here's a scenario that always comes to mind when someone asks something like this: God created man, no robots. He could have created robots; perfect beings that would never do anything wrong and love him with no doubts. But God wanted true love. I used this example recently to another person smile When you are forced to sit in a room with someone you dont care about, things are awkward, and just not fun at all. But if you go and make plans with someone you like, it can be a whole bunch of fun. God didn't want to create robots that just loved Him because they were programmed to. He created Humans with a choice to Love him, real love. Giving us the choices he did in what we want to do with our lives was a gift so we weren't robots. Here's another example: You get more joy out of watching a puppy come to you joyfully when you call him then when he's being stubborn and your making him come, right? That's God, He gave us the free will, because forced love isn't love at all! I think I've heard that one before lol it sounds familiar but thanks! Muahahahaha pirate now I know what say when someone asks me that!
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:18 pm
Quote: The AngeI of Love Wrote: Quote: mia loved1 Wrote: shouldn't gay people have the right to love the same sex then. how is that a sin? its like saying its a sin not to have children. In Genesis 2, God states that He made man for women and women for man. If you look back up to the original post with the question "If I'm Gay will I go to Hell?" You'll see a list of some verses that point it out as a sin. (: Pardon me and my interruption here ladies but as of right now i am currently leaning towards Matasoga's and Mia's opinion on the topic, but as i have an open mind im trying to see your point of view Angel. Before taking a solid stand on the topic i need a few things to be clarified for myself. I happen to be a very big fan of the socratean teaching method meaning to learn by asking questions. I have ADHD so simple answers would be best please Angel first of all, can you answer me this. What is the definition of "sin"?
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:31 pm
MidnightsBane Quote: The AngeI of Love Wrote: Quote: mia loved1 Wrote: shouldn't gay people have the right to love the same sex then. how is that a sin? its like saying its a sin not to have children. In Genesis 2, God states that He made man for women and women for man. If you look back up to the original post with the question "If I'm Gay will I go to Hell?" You'll see a list of some verses that point it out as a sin. (: Pardon me and my interruption here ladies but as of right now i am currently leaning towards Matasoga's and Mia's opinion on the topic, but as i have an open mind im trying to see your point of view Angel. Before taking a solid stand on the topic i need a few things to be clarified for myself. I happen to be a very big fan of the socratean teaching method meaning to learn by asking questions. I have ADHD so simple answers would be best please Angel first of all, can you answer me this. What is the definition of "sin"? Sin means "to miss the mark" or "fall short". Sinning is failing to follow God's standard of both his character, and his law. When someone sins it is a failure to follow God's instruction. That is what sin is.
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:37 pm
mia loved1 god/jesus didn't write the bible though, his disiples did. so couldn't they have added their opinions in or lied? it says to love everyone as equals but they cant love each other? if it's so bad, why would god give them thoughs erges, and if the devil did why wouldn't god try to save them from that? The 66 books of the Bible, written by 40 separate authors over thousands of years, was compiled and guided by the direction of the Holy Spirit. The Bible can be trusted even though it was written by sinful people because God inspired the writers. The Bible says in 2 Tim. 3:16, that “All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.” Inspiration is the work of God through people so that what was written is without error and is true in everything that it addresses. Therefore, scripture is both a product of both human effort and divine will. Furthermore, the differences of writing styles within the biblical documents reflect the different writers in different times. But, the Holy Spirit of God moved through those writers, along with their personal styles, to produce documents that were accurate and without error. 2 Pet. 1:20-21 says, “But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” Our sin is not greater than God's grace and power. God is able to work through sinners to accomplish his will and to make sure the Bible is trustworthy and sufficient to give us all that we need to know to live godly lives.
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:49 pm
Wait.... The_Servant_Grey Wrote:Quote: Sin means "to miss the mark" or "fall short". Sinning is failing to follow God's standard of both his character, and his law. When someone sins it is a failure to follow God's instruction. That is what sin is. so if you don't do everything right you've screwed up?
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:57 pm
MidnightsBane Wait.... The_Servant_Grey Wrote:Quote: Sin means "to miss the mark" or "fall short". Sinning is failing to follow God's standard of both his character, and his law. When someone sins it is a failure to follow God's instruction. That is what sin is. so if you don't do everything right you've screwed up? Yes, that's correct. We've all fallen short and sinned, and none are blameless. But out of that failure, hope was given to us through Jesus Christ, so that all who follow Him would find redemption through the blood of His sacrifice and resurrection. His act of self sacrifice to take away the sin of the world is what guides His followers to be more like Him.
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:11 am
While all sins are equal in god's eyes, Homosexuality of any degree (this includes bi-sexuality) is a sin. there is no excuse, there is no defense. plain as day...read genesis. sodom and gamora. read judges, read revelation. its there. every time this happens, it is punished...severely. HOWEVER, i am not saying that you WILL GO TO HELL...infact, i believe that it is entirely your decision. "Love the sinner, hate the sin." we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. we are all CONDEMED to HELL. it is only by faith, in the saving grace of Christ Jesus that we are saved. but just as a porn addict can over come his addiction, so can a homosexual over come theirs. Let me be absolutely clear...I DO NOT SUPPORT BI-SEXUALITY OR HOMOSEXUALITY. I DO HOWEVER SUPPORT YOU! we all have our addictions, our idols. its just giving them over to GOD that we have an issue with. but in all things, if we hand them to him, he will provide far better then we ever could.
and yes...there is no contradctions in truth in the bible
error in correct word usage (for minor and specific protions) yes...but that happens with any translation. that is an error of understanding on the translators part...not the error of the writer.
but the truths of the bible...the meaning behind the words. they are infailable. they will forever be true, good, and useful for all of life's situations.
and i agree with the mature earth theory...nice to find another supporter. biggrin
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:14 pm
Hey in answer to the stone question. I like what you said Angel but in addition: God is both omnipotent (all powerful) and omniscient (all-knowing, or all-wise). So although He could make a magnificently massive stone, His omniscience and omnipotence act at the same time in every work He does, thus, He would (could) not make a stone that He could not pick up because, although that would display His omnipotence, He would not be wise in doing so. The AngeI of Love Hey!
My name is Allie! I'm here to answer your Questions about God! If it's a personal question, feel free to PM me. If not, post a reply down here about ANYTHING that science and God "don't" agree on. I put that in quotes because I am a bible student and I'm prepared to handle any question you throw at me! Happy Learning!
P.S. ~ Topics are posted in RED!
Questions already answered!Why aren't Dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible? ~pg.1 Can God Create A Stone He Cannot Lift? ~ pg. 1 How can you say the Earth is only 6000 years old, when Carbon Dating says otherwise? ~ pg. 1 If I'm Gay, do I go to Hell? ~ pg. 2
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:49 pm
The_Servant_Grey mia loved1 god/jesus didn't write the bible though, his disiples did. so couldn't they have added their opinions in or lied? it says to love everyone as equals but they cant love each other? if it's so bad, why would god give them thoughs erges, and if the devil did why wouldn't god try to save them from that? The 66 books of the Bible, written by 40 separate authors over thousands of years, was compiled and guided by the direction of the Holy Spirit. The Bible can be trusted even though it was written by sinful people because God inspired the writers. The Bible says in 2 Tim. 3:16, that “All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.” Inspiration is the work of God through people so that what was written is without error and is true in everything that it addresses. Therefore, scripture is both a product of both human effort and divine will. Furthermore, the differences of writing styles within the biblical documents reflect the different writers in different times. But, the Holy Spirit of God moved through those writers, along with their personal styles, to produce documents that were accurate and without error. 2 Pet. 1:20-21 says, “But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” Our sin is not greater than God's grace and power. God is able to work through sinners to accomplish his will and to make sure the Bible is trustworthy and sufficient to give us all that we need to know to live godly lives. god gave us a free will so we could have true love. he wouldnt tell them what to put down because thats not free will. the people that put all the works together were still sinners. one of them had allready betrayed jesus so what would stop another one from doing so by adding his own opinion?
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:42 am
PRINCESORH Hey in answer to the stone question. I like what you said Angel but in addition: God is both omnipotent (all powerful) and omniscient (all-knowing, or all-wise). So although He could make a magnificently massive stone, His omniscience and omnipotence act at the same time in every work He does, thus, He would (could) not make a stone that He could not pick up because, although that would display His omnipotence, He would not be wise in doing so. um....not quite. that question is a paradox. and no earthly answer is correct, because there isnt one. its like...which came first: the chicken or the egg? or a really smart one that actually took thought: Can a runner catch a turtle? This one was made by Aristotle himslef. origionally called "Can Achilies catch the tortus?" google it or PM me for an explination. The whole thing about paradoxs is that they depend on a set, predictable thought pattern. Their true purpose, what's more, is not to confuse, but to get the thinker to begin to think in a different way...or "outside the box" so to speak. The only way to overcome a Paradox is to use this "outside the box" thinking. Going back to the origional question...a better, more unique way of thinking is..."an YOU create a rock you cant lift...and then lift it?" the answer, is YES. have you ever heard of concrete? it is simply, free form rock paste, allowing you to creat anything and everything...in what ever shape or size you want. so lets say you make a three story rock from it...can you still lift it? Many would obviously say no...however, if we go back and use a little "outside the box thinking" the answer is... YES..piece by piece. What's more, If we as humans can solve such a problem on our own...is it wrong to say that GOD can't? While this way of thinking is a little different, It allows us to answer such questions...For in all reality. This REALLY IS a stupid question that obviously the creater put no thought or effort into creating. Lets continue to use this new way of thinking, and go a little deeper into the topic. First, GOD dosent EXIST in this demention (the exception being Jesus, but since that opens up a whole new can of worms...ill save that for another day). he simply interacts with it. a similar way of looking at it would be: FLAT LAND! or in essance, what would YOUR interaction with a 2 dementional world look like? Its a little odd, i know. But its a good analogy for God and us. We would be the 2D people..living on the page...and GOD, he would be the 3D person who made the page, drew the people, and the world around them. now...as a 3D person, if one of YOUR 2D CREATIONS asked if you could DRAW a rock you couldn't lift, what would you think? When you apply this thining and knowladge to the question...the question looks threadbare and, as stated before, completly idiotic...so can God create a rock he cant lift? Using our "outside the box" thinging, our response is "Can you draw one?" The origional question, in all honesty isn't even applicable to GOD or religion. Its simply a trick made by the world, and SATAN to trip christians up. To sum this all up. I guess the proper response here is. "WHAT IDIOT CAME UP WITH THAT?!" With all humility and respect. Joe Legacy
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:33 am
mia loved1 god gave us a free will so we could have true love. he wouldnt tell them what to put down because thats not free will. the people that put all the works together were still sinners. one of them had allready betrayed jesus so what would stop another one from doing so by adding his own opinion? mai...have you ever actually READ the story of Jesus' betrayal, crusifixion, and resurrection? I know that sounds harsh. but, if you really had, we wouldnt be having this conversation. Judas did not act of his own accord. it says right in Luke 22:3-4, Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. And Judas went to the chief priests and the officers of the temple guard and discussed with them how he might betray Jesus. and again in John 13:2, The evening meal was in progress, and the devil had already prompted Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus. As a Christian, or even a human being, You must come to terms with the fact there are forces at work amoung us beyond or comprehension or control*. While we do have** freewill, do you really think it is beyond GOD or SATAN's power to make us do things not of our own accord? In all reality, the entire matter is one of submission. Who do YOU submit to? every second of every day, you submit to either GOD, or SATAN. and the more you submit, the more they will work in, and through you. so you DO have free will, but that dosent mean that you will ALWAYS have full control over your actions, or that you CANNOT be possessed or controled by outside forces. The Writers of the Bible were submiting themselves to GOD, and through that submission, he moved through them and guided their words, thoughts and ideas. The bigger issue you are headed towards, or the actual name for the issue here, is Cannonocity. or what belongs in the bible. Contrary to common belief. the bible was not a book that was just thrown together. A "Communal Journal" so to speak, something that anyone could add to at will. There is a reason that the bible makes sense and works the way it does. Each and every book in the bible was CHOSEN with purpose, and with THOUSANDS of hours of prayer and consideration. Infact, there have been several instances where this has happened. I do not remember them all. Google or Wiki it. However, the books you find in the bible, are there because they have, through the mellenia, been proven to be TRUE and GOD BREATHED. There are MANY religious books that DID NOT make the bible, all becuse they were, through research, prayer, and the passing of time, shown to be without GOD's guidance in their creation. To be honest, i am still very new to the subject myself, and going any further would not only make a fool of myself, but of GOD and his reverant WORD. If you have any further questions on the subject, PM me and I would gladly get you in contact with people who are much more knowlagdable in the topic. * Through christ Jesus we are able to do such things, but even then, we are not the one controlling them, it is Christ. ** A much debated subject. Research "Calvinism vs. Arminianism" on the subject matter. With all humility and respect. Joe Legacy
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