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 Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:41 pm
Arcane_Ninja24 Captain_Shinzo God Emperor Akhenaton Ledon Kester But there also isn't enough to go against him either. That means anyone who claims to know is a moron. You have a point there. There is no evidence to prove Atheism wrong and there is no evidence to prove a god is existent or not. However, there are theories proving the universe was created without a god. Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm.......................................................... and there are theories proving god exists, thats the problem with theories. but... if god does exists (not saying i believe) and he is all powerful, he would opperate on an alternate plane of existence beyond our comprehension, he could drastically change the world from flat to round and then recreate all evidence and memories of anyone on the world without any conciquence. he could do anything, hell science could be just another form of god, you have faith in science you have faith in him. every attempt science makes at proving him wrong could just be proving him right even more. what if science is the modern name and new form of god? we look up to science we look up to god, if god is everything then would he not be that which goes against him as well? just a thought. Exactly. Arcane has just explained a key point. Science could be a way of explaining to humans how God does what He does or it could Him incarnate. Nothing stops this theory. No matter what you prove, you disprove yourself in another way. The greatest question for everything to leaves everyone in shreds is "Why?" Once you answer that, you prove everything, but we do not have the answer to this question because we are limited. Yet out of all the creatures on the planet we "seem" to be the only ones close enough to reach a state in which we can answer this question. Humans are too abnormal compared to everything else on the planet. The only things truly close to us are apes and ants. I willing to believe that humans are some freak mutant of ant-apes hybrids. XD
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:56 pm
Ledon Kester Captain_Shinzo Ledon Kester Captain_Shinzo Ledon Kester Captain_Shinzo I don't believe in God. Not enough evidence to support his existence. Just theories and legends. But there also isn't enough to go against him either. You must always keep an open mind. What if we find out that God was just roaming the planet, causing havoc and making up stories to see how we'd react? What if Heaven and Hell are just states of mind that come as a reward for passing this test they call Life? There is a reason why they say "God works in mysterious ways". We can't be sure of anything, but we can be sure that nothing just happens. There's always a reason. Heck even God's existence could of been because of reason, but that would create an infinite loop of self-destruction that I'm sure we don't wanna know about. It's not impossible for a god or godly force to exist. If we can think of, describe, or imagine it, it's always possible through some means. The problem is how simple or complicated it is before it becomes possible. Life is a game with infinite combinations of characters, alliances, and paths, but who has the controller and who's being controlled? Who is the player and who is just a character?
With that said, your last paragraph is a tad bit wrong. Not everything you can imagine is possible. It doesn't work that way. For example, if I throw a normal ball on earth, I want it to never land. However, that will never happen due to physics. But then again, I just imagined that. Who would've thought?
I will admit, we can do MANY THINGS with are imaginations and try to make them true. However, the possibility of making every one of those things possibly just couldn't work.
Breaking it all down, you are right. There isn't enough evidence to disprove God. However, to most people, the fact that there isn't any valuable evidence proving God exists and the fact that most people don't find it sensible just makes people like me not want to believe. My last paragraph is truth. If you want the ball to never land, you can either tie it to something or create a powerful fan that keeps it up in the air. This is why I said it all depends on how complicated it is before it becomes possible. And those same reasonable theories against His existence never look at how what they prove never fits with the universe as a whole. It's like a rubix cube. Just because one side is completed, it doesn't mean you're done. It's only sensible to those who wish to know that there is a reason for everything and that death isn't just the end. In that case why not live life to fullest and not care about what others say? It won't change the outcome in the end. The idea of a god existing is for moral support and to keep order and control. Whether they exist or not, there will always be those who fear the invoking of their wrath and will do what they are told.
That doesn't make sense. They have theories that prove the universe AS a whole, it's just that the theories can't be completed yet. For example, the reason the Big Bang theory isn't complete is because their particle accelerators aren't working efficiently to reach a matching power to prove it's existence. However, they are getting somewhere. The fact there are theories out with increasingly good result with god having no kind of evidence what-so-ever kinda proves something here.
First off, if it's only sensible to those people, doesn't that make them delusional? Why believe in something that doesn't make sense to them and only comforts them with, personally, and false hope? The only thing that does is constantly leaves their care in something that doesn't exist which could have been valuable time helping them live longer. Then, when it's time to go, it's time to go.
As for why care what other people say, you shouldn't. If you don't care about other people's opinions, don't mess around with those people on such topic. However, because of our society, religion will never become a private thing because religion is the most public personal belief there is. Look around and you can easily see one's beliefs is mostly used to describe them, and is used in almost all kinds of media today.
Like, when I say Tom Cruise, do you first think ACTOR, or Scientologist?
( I know scientology is only a belief and not a religion but it's still involved.)
God isn't always used to keep order and moral support. Some people get that just by living life. Order? The law. Moral support? Living a normal, care-free life.
So exactly what are you getting at? Are you trying to say there is no real way to prove a god and it's really just used to make people feel better? Because it's REALLY sounding like that. In your vision it's not visible, it can still be there but if you wish to accomplish this as you see it, then it becomes more complicated but not impossible. We don't know the extent of the mind and the usage of the brain. Everything is based on inferences. Anything is possible if you're willing to fight for it. Nothing says it's not possible, therefore until then it is possible by some means. The point was merely to accomplish the main subject, if you wish to achieve more than that, there is more work to be done. Don't be limited to that which you are taught and shown. Even that is a theory or law that was once a theory that isn't entirely true, only true by what we can find. Even now laws and theories are being changed as more is being discovered. Nothing is absolute. If there can be antimatter, there can possibly be anti-gravity out there some where. The big bang happened, that I'm positive of, but why did it happen? This is the question of the neo-religious fighter. You must attack all sides to become absolute-like, but you can never become absolute. False hope gives birth to true hope and morals that define order in our chaotic society. If there was no afterlife, no god, no force that judges good and evil, why care? Why not live life to the fullest and do whatever you want? Rape a few people here. Kill a thousand there. Steal millions of dollars all over. The only thing that stops them are morals, and morals are being upheld by the follower and their beliefs. A god exists within these beliefs as one form or many. Even if God doesn't exist, what He stands for does, therefore requiring false hope to continue this standpoint. God is needed always to hold these concepts in form, but His existence has helped birthed it, possibly even giving that last push needed to create a foundation. No matter what, people will believe there is a reason to do good other than to help others because when you get deep down into the human mind and heart, you find a darkness that overcomes all good that do and crafts monsters or true humans. They are true because they are what they truly are when all truth has been established and they change accordingly. Oh and when you say Tom Cruise, I think of both the actor and Scientology. The fact that Scientology is possible and that the actor is a good damn actor, I must admit with the deepest truth. Glad he's back.
Antimatter doesn't make anti-gravity. .__________.
I don't even remember mentioning anti-gravity.
But yes, there is anti-gravity I suppose, but the existence of anti-matter doesn't prove this.
Why the Big Bang happened? You know you can just research that topic to figure out how that's possible, right?
Simply put, particles bounce off each other the closer they are and they move faster depending on how high the temperature is. So, the start of the big bang was considered to be an accumulation of matter and extremely hot energy causing an exsplosion.
Then again, that's one of the theories of universal existence. Still a theory, not fact.
Civilization and morals doesn't come from a god, we established this before. What were the people like all those years before Jesus's appearance? (If he was present.)
Did they live like animals? Cavemen?
No, they were civilized and had morals. Jesus didn't need to come to show this. and as time progressed, so did the vast majority's morals.
XD Trying to add a little comedy to the picture...
Point being, though, a majority looks at Tom Cruise as that celebrity who is a scientologist, not the protagonist of Valkyrie.
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:02 pm
Ledon Kester Arcane_Ninja24 Captain_Shinzo God Emperor Akhenaton Ledon Kester But there also isn't enough to go against him either. That means anyone who claims to know is a moron. You have a point there. There is no evidence to prove Atheism wrong and there is no evidence to prove a god is existent or not. However, there are theories proving the universe was created without a god. Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm.......................................................... and there are theories proving god exists, thats the problem with theories. but... if god does exists (not saying i believe) and he is all powerful, he would opperate on an alternate plane of existence beyond our comprehension, he could drastically change the world from flat to round and then recreate all evidence and memories of anyone on the world without any conciquence. he could do anything, hell science could be just another form of god, you have faith in science you have faith in him. every attempt science makes at proving him wrong could just be proving him right even more. what if science is the modern name and new form of god? we look up to science we look up to god, if god is everything then would he not be that which goes against him as well? just a thought. Exactly. Arcane has just explained a key point. Science could be a way of explaining to humans how God does what He does or it could Him incarnate. Nothing stops this theory. No matter what you prove, you disprove yourself in another way. The greatest question for everything to leaves everyone in shreds is "Why?" Once you answer that, you prove everything, but we do not have the answer to this question because we are limited. Yet out of all the creatures on the planet we "seem" to be the only ones close enough to reach a state in which we can answer this question. Humans are too abnormal compared to everything else on the planet. The only things truly close to us are apes and ants. I willing to believe that humans are some freak mutant of ant-apes hybrids. XD Uuumm...humans aren't related to ants considering ants have absolutely nothing in common with humans. XD As for what you stated, yes, theories can be spouted from the high heavens. However, reasonable theories, scientific theories, has reasonable claims to back it up. For example, let's make the theory that there is an invisible planet devourer in space that we don't see. Ok, we haven't seen one, so we can't prove it. That makes it a regular theory, I have no reason to believe it. However, miners hit something and large screeching comes off their radar. Considering they were working in a specific terrain, they possibly hit a steam vent/bubble/etc... Can it be proven? Yes, dig deeper. That's how a scientific theory works, a theory developed by reasonable ideas to back it up. Sure, not prove it but enough to make the idea make sense. so sure, spout as many theories as you want. Doesn't make them any more real if they have nothing backing them up.
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:07 pm
Azkeel Captain_Shinzo Azkeel Captain_Shinzo Azkeel Science is focused on disproving God's existance when they should be trying to prove. They can't test His existance therefore they write it off. Just as they should write evolution off because they can't test it. Anyone witness evolution happen? Can you experiment with evolution? Evolutionists are preachers too. They're just archeologist noticing trends that occured then but it isn't happening now. Just as proof of God is written then but isn't really happening now. Unless you consider all the prophecies coming true. Evolution has no prophecies and you can't measure it. Thus evolution as a science is like creationisim as a science. I am a spiritual person so my concerns are with spiritual happenings. I won't proclaim evolution as false I just don't care for it since it isn't a science you can test and measure in real time. No I can't agree with you on this because that notion is just absurd. You're implying that science must be physically proven within the NOW. However, presence and future tenses are perfect for proving evolution. Prehistoric fossils, adaptation, it's all there and it obviously proves evolution to be true. It IS a fact, and saying it's just a theory that can't be proven is pretty ignorant. But it is a theory lol even the scientific community agrees because they have to. It's science! Remember the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol. That is science. Evolution has not been observed at work and cannot even be proved as an on-going process. This is not science. I never said it was science. I said it was fact, or atleast close to becoming fact. and, in defense, the only reason it can't be accepted as fact is because the human link is so long, it's almost continuous with always a missing link. Pretty much, it wont be completed for some time if it is going to be completed. So, for all the evidence that evolution has in support of that, the fossils and datings, all of that should be tossed because it can't be proven? ( It can, but it hasn't yet. ) I meant tossed in the same catagory as religion is with science. Wouldn't you suspect there would be tons of fossils of these links to humans? Not just a few for each "Phase" There are tons of fossils for dinosaurs of each spieces not just one set for each creature. You know the human race does have deformities and anomolies in it. All kinds of shapes sizes and bone structures. In fact we've been getting larger since we began history but we don't consider these humans that were smaller as a different species. The average height has been increasing. Yeah, but the only difference is that both science have theory based on claims and studies while religion is just faith. Nothing wrong with that, but it is if your trying to say that religion can make more sense than science concepts. Of course there'd be tons of those fossils of ours. However, you have to think of our population sizes, the location of these fossils, etc... and yeah, the average height is increasing. That doesn't make them a different species because it's the same species, only adapting into a taller form. I don't understand what you're getting at, though. We're evolving, getting larger than before and different. Proving my point?
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:59 pm
Captain_Shinzo Azkeel Captain_Shinzo Azkeel Captain_Shinzo Azkeel Science is focused on disproving God's existance when they should be trying to prove. They can't test His existance therefore they write it off. Just as they should write evolution off because they can't test it. Anyone witness evolution happen? Can you experiment with evolution? Evolutionists are preachers too. They're just archeologist noticing trends that occured then but it isn't happening now. Just as proof of God is written then but isn't really happening now. Unless you consider all the prophecies coming true. Evolution has no prophecies and you can't measure it. Thus evolution as a science is like creationisim as a science. I am a spiritual person so my concerns are with spiritual happenings. I won't proclaim evolution as false I just don't care for it since it isn't a science you can test and measure in real time. No I can't agree with you on this because that notion is just absurd. You're implying that science must be physically proven within the NOW. However, presence and future tenses are perfect for proving evolution. Prehistoric fossils, adaptation, it's all there and it obviously proves evolution to be true. It IS a fact, and saying it's just a theory that can't be proven is pretty ignorant. But it is a theory lol even the scientific community agrees because they have to. It's science! Remember the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol. That is science. Evolution has not been observed at work and cannot even be proved as an on-going process. This is not science. I never said it was science. I said it was fact, or atleast close to becoming fact. and, in defense, the only reason it can't be accepted as fact is because the human link is so long, it's almost continuous with always a missing link. Pretty much, it wont be completed for some time if it is going to be completed. So, for all the evidence that evolution has in support of that, the fossils and datings, all of that should be tossed because it can't be proven? ( It can, but it hasn't yet. ) I meant tossed in the same catagory as religion is with science. Wouldn't you suspect there would be tons of fossils of these links to humans? Not just a few for each "Phase" There are tons of fossils for dinosaurs of each spieces not just one set for each creature. You know the human race does have deformities and anomolies in it. All kinds of shapes sizes and bone structures. In fact we've been getting larger since we began history but we don't consider these humans that were smaller as a different species. The average height has been increasing. Yeah, but the only difference is that both science have theory based on claims and studies while religion is just faith. Nothing wrong with that, but it is if your trying to say that religion can make more sense than science concepts. Of course there'd be tons of those fossils of ours. However, you have to think of our population sizes, the location of these fossils, etc... and yeah, the average height is increasing. That doesn't make them a different species because it's the same species, only adapting into a taller form. I don't understand what you're getting at, though. We're evolving, getting larger than before and different. Proving my point? Evolution is essentially one species transforming into another species. So my point would be what if these earlier humanoids were just human? They were most likely old so why not have a hunched back? Who put the age they died at? For all we know those fossils of links could have been humans that grew to be several hundred years old and time took it's toll on them? Something interesting to think about that's off topic. The first humans would have all the genes we have correct? So essentially they would have all the hair color and eye color DNA in them which could present as some beautiful creatures. Imagine a human with all the colors of the hair. Browns, golds, reds, blacks. ect. lol
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:09 pm
Captain_Shinzo Ledon Kester Captain_Shinzo Ledon Kester Captain_Shinzo That's pretty funny, because there isn't enough to go against him, but the fact there are sensible theories out there that make more sense then God and the fact that there is no reasonable proof to believe in him, then how could I believe in him and why would I want to believe in him in the first place?
With that said, your last paragraph is a tad bit wrong. Not everything you can imagine is possible. It doesn't work that way. For example, if I throw a normal ball on earth, I want it to never land. However, that will never happen due to physics. But then again, I just imagined that. Who would've thought?
I will admit, we can do MANY THINGS with are imaginations and try to make them true. However, the possibility of making every one of those things possibly just couldn't work.
Breaking it all down, you are right. There isn't enough evidence to disprove God. However, to most people, the fact that there isn't any valuable evidence proving God exists and the fact that most people don't find it sensible just makes people like me not want to believe. My last paragraph is truth. If you want the ball to never land, you can either tie it to something or create a powerful fan that keeps it up in the air. This is why I said it all depends on how complicated it is before it becomes possible. And those same reasonable theories against His existence never look at how what they prove never fits with the universe as a whole. It's like a rubix cube. Just because one side is completed, it doesn't mean you're done. It's only sensible to those who wish to know that there is a reason for everything and that death isn't just the end. In that case why not live life to fullest and not care about what others say? It won't change the outcome in the end. The idea of a god existing is for moral support and to keep order and control. Whether they exist or not, there will always be those who fear the invoking of their wrath and will do what they are told.
That doesn't make sense. They have theories that prove the universe AS a whole, it's just that the theories can't be completed yet. For example, the reason the Big Bang theory isn't complete is because their particle accelerators aren't working efficiently to reach a matching power to prove it's existence. However, they are getting somewhere. The fact there are theories out with increasingly good result with god having no kind of evidence what-so-ever kinda proves something here.
First off, if it's only sensible to those people, doesn't that make them delusional? Why believe in something that doesn't make sense to them and only comforts them with, personally, and false hope? The only thing that does is constantly leaves their care in something that doesn't exist which could have been valuable time helping them live longer. Then, when it's time to go, it's time to go.
As for why care what other people say, you shouldn't. If you don't care about other people's opinions, don't mess around with those people on such topic. However, because of our society, religion will never become a private thing because religion is the most public personal belief there is. Look around and you can easily see one's beliefs is mostly used to describe them, and is used in almost all kinds of media today.
Like, when I say Tom Cruise, do you first think ACTOR, or Scientologist?
( I know scientology is only a belief and not a religion but it's still involved.)
God isn't always used to keep order and moral support. Some people get that just by living life. Order? The law. Moral support? Living a normal, care-free life.
So exactly what are you getting at? Are you trying to say there is no real way to prove a god and it's really just used to make people feel better? Because it's REALLY sounding like that. In your vision it's not visible, it can still be there but if you wish to accomplish this as you see it, then it becomes more complicated but not impossible. We don't know the extent of the mind and the usage of the brain. Everything is based on inferences. Anything is possible if you're willing to fight for it. Nothing says it's not possible, therefore until then it is possible by some means. The point was merely to accomplish the main subject, if you wish to achieve more than that, there is more work to be done. Don't be limited to that which you are taught and shown. Even that is a theory or law that was once a theory that isn't entirely true, only true by what we can find. Even now laws and theories are being changed as more is being discovered. Nothing is absolute. If there can be antimatter, there can possibly be anti-gravity out there some where. The big bang happened, that I'm positive of, but why did it happen? This is the question of the neo-religious fighter. You must attack all sides to become absolute-like, but you can never become absolute. False hope gives birth to true hope and morals that define order in our chaotic society. If there was no afterlife, no god, no force that judges good and evil, why care? Why not live life to the fullest and do whatever you want? Rape a few people here. Kill a thousand there. Steal millions of dollars all over. The only thing that stops them are morals, and morals are being upheld by the follower and their beliefs. A god exists within these beliefs as one form or many. Even if God doesn't exist, what He stands for does, therefore requiring false hope to continue this standpoint. God is needed always to hold these concepts in form, but His existence has helped birthed it, possibly even giving that last push needed to create a foundation. No matter what, people will believe there is a reason to do good other than to help others because when you get deep down into the human mind and heart, you find a darkness that overcomes all good that do and crafts monsters or true humans. They are true because they are what they truly are when all truth has been established and they change accordingly. Oh and when you say Tom Cruise, I think of both the actor and Scientology. The fact that Scientology is possible and that the actor is a good damn actor, I must admit with the deepest truth. Glad he's back.
Antimatter doesn't make anti-gravity. .__________.
I don't even remember mentioning anti-gravity.
But yes, there is anti-gravity I suppose, but the existence of anti-matter doesn't prove this.
Why the Big Bang happened? You know you can just research that topic to figure out how that's possible, right?
Simply put, particles bounce off each other the closer they are and they move faster depending on how high the temperature is. So, the start of the big bang was considered to be an accumulation of matter and extremely hot energy causing an exsplosion.
Then again, that's one of the theories of universal existence. Still a theory, not fact.
Civilization and morals doesn't come from a god, we established this before. What were the people like all those years before Jesus's appearance? (If he was present.)
Did they live like animals? Cavemen?
No, they were civilized and had morals. Jesus didn't need to come to show this. and as time progressed, so did the vast majority's morals.
XD Trying to add a little comedy to the picture...
Point being, though, a majority looks at Tom Cruise as that celebrity who is a scientologist, not the protagonist of Valkyrie. That is what I was trying to get you to see. Anything is possible with time and effort. This isn't limited to just us (humans). The universe created us. Why can't the universe create more powerful things than us? Why can't something create the universe? They say it was the big bang. But why did it happen? All that research only says how, not Why? Why? is the big picture that we can't reach because we are limited in both view and thought. We can't reach the state in which total knowledge of the universe becomes second nature. It's not impossible but it's gonna hurt. Life is a slow progression in which we learn. And religion and God existed LOOOOONG before Jesus so that part of your statement doesn't work. Jesus didn't come around until thousands of years later. God still existed in Judaism long before him, but before that people were developing out of caveman mentality. Science shows this with their artifacts. But Jesus came into the scene, he revolutionized morals, reinforced some and debunked others. Now that same "crazy a** jew" (as some like to cool him) is the patron and leader of a religion that stretches over more than half of the planet. A feat unaccomplished by any other. Why would I look at Tom Cruise as the protagonist if he only portray them and wasn't them? His character was the protagonist. He's just an actor who's a pretty good guy. And I didn't mean that anti-matter created anti-gravity. I meant that if anti-matter can exist, there might be an anti-gravity too.
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:39 pm
YahuShalum Captain_Shinzo Azkeel Captain_Shinzo Azkeel But it is a theory lol even the scientific community agrees because they have to. It's science! Remember the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol. That is science. Evolution has not been observed at work and cannot even be proved as an on-going process. This is not science. I never said it was science. I said it was fact, or atleast close to becoming fact. and, in defense, the only reason it can't be accepted as fact is because the human link is so long, it's almost continuous with always a missing link. Pretty much, it wont be completed for some time if it is going to be completed. So, for all the evidence that evolution has in support of that, the fossils and datings, all of that should be tossed because it can't be proven? ( It can, but it hasn't yet. ) I meant tossed in the same catagory as religion is with science. Wouldn't you suspect there would be tons of fossils of these links to humans? Not just a few for each "Phase" There are tons of fossils for dinosaurs of each spieces not just one set for each creature. You know the human race does have deformities and anomolies in it. All kinds of shapes sizes and bone structures. In fact we've been getting larger since we began history but we don't consider these humans that were smaller as a different species. The average height has been increasing. Yeah, but the only difference is that both science have theory based on claims and studies while religion is just faith. Nothing wrong with that, but it is if your trying to say that religion can make more sense than science concepts. Of course there'd be tons of those fossils of ours. However, you have to think of our population sizes, the location of these fossils, etc... and yeah, the average height is increasing. That doesn't make them a different species because it's the same species, only adapting into a taller form. I don't understand what you're getting at, though. We're evolving, getting larger than before and different. Proving my point? Evolution is essentially one species transforming into another species. So my point would be what if these earlier humanoids were just human? They were most likely old so why not have a hunched back? Who put the age they died at? For all we know those fossils of links could have been humans that grew to be several hundred years old and time took it's toll on them? Something interesting to think about that's off topic. The first humans would have all the genes we have correct? So essentially they would have all the hair color and eye color DNA in them which could present as some beautiful creatures. Imagine a human with all the colors of the hair. Browns, golds, reds, blacks. ect. lol 1. Theory. A term that is has very different meaning in science and everyday use. A theory is like a hypothesis, but extensively back up with data and observations (evidence) and is more comprehensive than a hypothesis. If you say "oh, well...Darwin's theory of evolution is just a theory." then is Newton's theory of gravitation just a theory? Surely, you can't be floating right now... 2. Evolution is measure by generations and changes in the genome. 3.Evolution can be observed at work. Although, macro-evolution is harder to observe because of the time in generations. For example, an individual elephant can live as long as a human. You have to be Dumbledore to observe many generations of elephant to measure the changes, which is why it's extremely difficult. Microevolution is change in genetic makeup of a population from generation to generation. These changes can built up can ultimately make a new species, which you can see as macroevolution. 4. You have to understand that it's super-duper hard to make a fossil. You have to have the right conditions like it has to be in water and seditment has to lay on top of it and it need to be compressed. The organism has to be made out of hard material, which means soft organisms won't fossilize. The temperature has to be right.The list goes on and on. It's all about chance and luck. This explains the holes in the plot. 5. Okay, buddy. Species is defined in many ways, but this is the most important: the biological species concept defines a species as a population or group of populations whose members have the potential to interbreed and produce viable , fertile offspring, but are unable to produce viable fertile offspring with members of other populations.(That's like word for words.) Humans are getting taller because of better nutrition. There is no prezygotic barrier or post zygotic barrier for now, but maybe in the future there will be speciation, but very slim will that happen because of gene flow and such. And as I said before, macroevolutions take a very long time. 6. Paleolithic people only live up to about 30...I doubt they would have a hunched back.... 7. Various eye colors are controlled by a gene (OCA2) that causes how much a person produces melanin BOOM BABY! Your entire convo answered!
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:16 am
if there is no afterlife then the importance of God depends on whether or not they interact with us in a way that we can also interact and subsequently change our lives
if there is an afterlife, then the existence of God is secondary in importance and dependent on the rules governing existence itself.
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:34 pm
Michael Noire if there is no afterlife then the importance of God depends on whether or not they interact with us in a way that we can also interact and subsequently change our lives if there is an afterlife, then the existence of God is secondary in importance and dependent on the rules governing existence itself. Why would an afterlife be more important than God? If anything, the afterlife is something people don't want.
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:16 pm
Dalcain Now that same "crazy a** jew" (as some like to cool him) is the patron and leader of a religion that stretches over more than half of the planet. A feat unaccomplished by any other. 'Cause they force their beliefs down other people's throats.... Yeah, makes me wonder how they have become so popular.... stare
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:58 pm
KingLeonidas57 Dalcain Now that same "crazy a** jew" (as some like to cool him) is the patron and leader of a religion that stretches over more than half of the planet. A feat unaccomplished by any other. 'Cause they force their beliefs down other people's throats.... Yeah, makes me wonder how they have become so popular.... stare Christianity wasn't the first, but they were the most infamous. If you wish to blame anyone, blame the beginning when people were led to believe this was what was right. Every religion has morons, it only gets bad when the moron ends up running it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:58 am
KingLeonidas57 Dalcain Now that same "crazy a** jew" (as some like to cool him) is the patron and leader of a religion that stretches over more than half of the planet. A feat unaccomplished by any other. 'Cause they force their beliefs down other people's throats.... Yeah, makes me wonder how they have become so popular.... stare Because it's easy. All you have to do is believe and it puts you in the good favor of a higher power. How many people wouldn't want that?
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:10 pm
Well he's real, I'm not going to question that, because I've questioned the merit of God's existence long enough, whether you believe in God is up to you, and I'm not judging anyone so don't take me the wrong way here, what I mean is that there can't be infinite paths to salvation or life, each theory seems to contradict the other, there is the belief that we just linger on as spirits, there is one where we find enlightenment after being reborn enough, then we have reincarnation as an animal or something, then we have the belief in Heaven or Hell, but then some believe we don't exist at all. One of those have to be wrong.
But think about it this way, what if there is an afterlife, what if there is someone out there who will judge you if you haven't lived life the way he wanted you to, what if Heaven and Hell exists? If it does, you can't just expect a mighty judge who created you to just let you in on your merit right? I mean, if you murder someone and are put on trial but tell the judge that you know what you did gives you the right to the death penalty, but that you washed their car or something, the judge will tell you that it has nothing to do with the case right? So if that's the case, you got to understand that God himself sees each sin as evil, The Greek word for sin is 'Hamartano' and it literally means 'to miss the mark'. To miss God's best for you basically. In that mind of thought, there is no way for you getting in, I mean we've all screwed up, nobody is good enough. That's why Jesus died for us all over 2000 years ago, so that we wouldn't have to suffer, and all that is required is to repent, and trust in Jesus, you don't have to work your way up, I mean in that chain of thought, there is no way up.
Anyways I'm saying this to give you some thought, maybe you won't believe everything or even doubt what I'm saying, that's your choice, but in the end, only one of these ways can be right, we either die permanently, get reborn as someone or something else, we wander the afterlife as ghosts, or go to Heaven or Hell, only one of these theories can be true.
Science will NEVER be able to prove that God can't exist, and likewise, those who believe in God CAN'T force anyone to believe, it's up to you in the end on whether you are going to believe in God or not.
But if those who don't believe are wrong, if there is a God who knows everything and decides to judge on the standard of how good we are, and not how good Jesus is, then well, what are you going to do? You missed it all in that scenario, but if those who don't believe in God are right, then we just cease to exist and die like a computer or some kind of equipment shutting down into an endless slumber right? If that were the case, you wouldn't have anything to lose. Again I'm only stating this to get you to think on it, I'm not trying to make anyone agree with me.
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:30 pm
Thankfully Darwin's discovery of evolution completely rules out the possibility that man came from some dirt that a god used to make an image of himself out of, and that woman came from a rib of this dirt-man.
Compare the amount of interlocking data from every applicable scientific field including geology, physics, and even molecular biology, all having observational experiments done, that test and prove the hypotheses of evolution occurring (elevating it to a FACT and a THEORY), with the DISCREDITED FAIRY TALE - a big invisible monster that nobody has ever seen or heard did it.
It is frightening that mass delusions of supernatural beings still exist today. It is the same thing as saying that my invisible fire breathing dragon is more powerful than your multi-headed fire spewing sea monster.
Everything from the murderous blood stained Sky Daddy who drowned virtually all humanity and other life, sentenced everyone to leave Utopia after Eve (persuaded by a talking snake) ate a magical apple, had Jonah take a ride in the belly of a whale, ruined the life of Job, told Abraham to murder his own kid, killed all the first born of Egypt, had his chosen people commit genocide on the original inhabitants of Palestine, to letting his own son be nailed to some wood so mankind could party with a ghost - is a FAIRY TALE that humanity needs to reject if we are to see many more generations.
By the way if you are dumb enough to believe that this fable is real; in the Bible, the murder count is God/millions - Devil/zero. Whom would you rather spend time with, a vengeful monster or a fallen angel who thought he had a better way? I am NOT promoting the Devil, just illustrating the craziness in this stupidity.
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:30 pm
God Emperor Akhenaton Michael Noire if there is no afterlife then the importance of God depends on whether or not they interact with us in a way that we can also interact and subsequently change our lives if there is an afterlife, then the existence of God is secondary in importance and dependent on the rules governing existence itself. Why would an afterlife be more important than God? If anything, the afterlife is something people don't want. you must know some very unusual people. More than 5 billion people want an afterlife, if not for themselves, for someone else to receive Justice either as reward or punishment.
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