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Ah, racial relations... almost an oxymoron in UnderGaia unless you consider constant open/subvert warfare, enslavement, and in some cases eating others to be considered relations xd

I jest though, I agree with Drae on the point for discussing those beneath the drow before going on to races equal in power, or greater, just yet. I perfectly agree with the order set forth for Lolthite cities, which brings into question the order in cities not so... Lolth-crazy, Au-Shinduago for example. These places would no doubt still have their fair share of spiders, but I think that bats or lizards might take up the spot for most numerous (This of course doesn't take into account other vermin races). As for slaves species, well that one is a bit harder to think about isn't it. I'd assume that slaves that are of more use to their masters would subsequently stand higher in relation to other slaves, though that is just a personal opinion on the matter. Predator and livestock wise though, yikes... there are so many different predators and so few livestock that it is somewhat... unbalanced. For each single livestock race you easily have a dozen predators that would gladly devour it.

Actually I have found an older reference to Rothe in the novel Cormyr by Ed Greenwood and Jeff Grubb (1996), though this is an assumption that Salvatore used the term after this book was produced. Anyways, in the book Rothe are described as forest buffalo, which are smaller than a plains buffalo. But I detract from the reason why I posted in the first place, I concede on the point that drow might be considered to have an affinity towards spiders and thus have them in a good amount in every city. So... what have we set in stone, or close to it, so far?

works for me...

Thank you very much Draevir. For the elven races Drae mentioned, I am all in favor as he listed them. I would like to add the following race.

Star Elves: Gold, red, or silver-white hair and amber or violet eyes; pale skin with occasional pearly gray or faint violet tinge; average height = Between 5 1/2 and 6 ft.
The Star Elves are FR canon from the Unapproachable East supplement.

I also agree with Serethiel's idea about having a distinct surface realm which opposes those of the world below. To add to her idea of a plot central to the two I suggest perhaps the classic opposition of deities, racial betrayal, or perhaps the need to flee from the surface due to the actions of other races; I will expound upon the last idea as the two are familiar. Perhaps two other races, such as humans and orcs as a rough example, have been going to war for so long that they are slowly destroying areas inhabited by dark elves. The dark elves are noticed by the budding demoness Lolth, who lures them down to the world below with promises of new life. Once down there they find it much harder but Lolth, being the chaotically evil genius she is, has prepared for this and gives power to the female priestesses that have been loyal to her. The dark elves, over centuries, evolve into drow both from natural influences as well as Lolth slowly changing them to make them more useful to her. Anyway, an extended length of time passes and the drow (and much smaller amount of surviving dark elves) find they must return to the surface (at least in part) to gather resources and find out if the war had ended. The war actually did end and High elves (who disliked the dark elves and now hate the drow for their worship of a demon) try to kill/maim/stop the drow from returning to the surface (Lolth meanwhile plays her pieces to see if she can't get all of the surface elves killed). Drow retaliate against this aggression/suppression and wage covert/total war against the High elves. The other races (including the other elven subraces) are torn between helping the drow to return or denying them their return.

I'd like to say that entire idea was completely spontaneous...

Can I ask a question...beside this one, that is.
(if you don't want to answer don't read further)

I've fallen behind slight in the post here, so I'm not sure if this has been discussed. Are we adding on to pre-existing worlds (combined ideas from D&D and Forgetten, or adding modified concepts of the Gaian world...like medieval Gaia or some such) or are we building a new world from collected ideas?

I ask because I want to know whether the world we have at this moment will be changed. From what I'm read, we're build a new world from concepts. However, there seems to be hesitation, maybe on straying the already taken path. I'm not 100% sure on my thoughts here. It just from what I've read so far in this discussion.

I haven't gone through and read back any either, but from what I glanced over you guys are getting waaaaaay technical. Like with Aglo wanting elves to be multi colored, and having it where you can only mate with a human and no other species.........

I don't want to peel back the flesh all the way to the bone, if you get what I'm saying. Some things should stay the same. Like creatures....what I'm more interested in settling is Pantheon issue. Where does Lolth stand? Are we placing it before or after her transformation? Things like the Farezz...or however the ******** you spell that magic ******** ******** stuff...

Okay Quen. The reason I created "one" canon discussion is because we've had topics before on various issues, but because they were spread out in different threads perhaps, few of us read them or paticipated.

How long is a drow preggers? or, how old is a baby drow when he goes to kidnergarten? How does infravision work? Things like that were looked at. Because those were simply discussions and people didn't actually decide anything, they couldn't really be referred to as "rules."

Anyhow Quen, I see your point about trying to hash every little thing out right here in one thread. Still, I mean, it feels like we did accomplish a little bit here at least? sweatdrop What I was gonna do is see about putting this info in our own little UG wiki type thread. Maybe we could just link to multiple threads which "discuss" the issues w/o actually making hard fast rules? How best would you like to approach it Quen?