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99% of the arguments from creationists are proof that they do not know a thing about evolution. Others who do know, will blow off points such as "Why don't we see humans evolving?" or "Why are the people with good genes unable to get any action?" Maybe because IT TAKES time and huge differences are unattractive to the opposite sex

Ok, I have a question, and I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but aren't the actual theories of evolution and creation explaining two separate actions? Creation, I thought was an attempt to explain how the earth came to be, whereas evolution talks more about how animals change through time, via natural selection, mutation, genetic drift, etc.

I think problem with this whole guild is that evolution and creationism are not intrinsically antagonistic. Rather, the impetus for this guild comes more directly from religious tension. A clash between two factions, those who believe evolution excludes religion and those who believe creationism requires religion.

Perhaps if we resolve the most basic questions some of the others will fall neatly into place.

as an anti-creationist, i am not trying to change anyone, i am merly trying to educate people in science and help them make the right descision,which is, of course, a knowledgeable one.

There is no complete detailed model for abiogenesis. But that is irrelevant to the theory of evolution.

However, viruses are not cells. And they are alive by some definitions of life.
Virus's are replicating machines. As are cells.

It is not inconceivable for self replicating protien machines to turn into more complex machines over time, and eventually into cells. At least, no known mechanism exists to prevent this.

After all, cells are built from these exact same protiens.

This is a guild formed to oppose creationism, to be sure.

However, the reality is that we can only ever hope to dent the surface of the problem, and the formation of a guild doesn't help much. (It helps a little).

In message boards all over the internet, there are creationists, and there are anti-creationists, and we can only hope that rationality triumphs in the end. We've got to maintain a presence on the internet, and do the best we can.

The truth is that creationism is but one aspect of a greater problem in society that does not recognise objective truth or the value of argument. The majority of people, for example, recognise either all religions as being equally valid, or only one. There is no common understanding of the worth of discriminating against innaccuracy and unverified claims. This isn't a problem we can solve on messageboards alone.

*sighs* for thanksgiving I went to visit my friend up in maine. I metioned evolution once and it seemed the entire town turned against me except for my friend.... I was scared of being put to the stake

I never doubted evolution, but I used to wonder why there were still monkeys. Then I read a book on evolution, and realized that that was just a lie made up by anti-truth people.

It's really frustrating, though. Once someone posts, they are likely to respond ONLY to people who quote them. I guess because they think other posts won't be relevant to theirs. I dunno, I guess putting their name at the top of the post could help, but still some people will skip over the post because they think it's not addressed to them.

But I have been in this very kind of situation, surrounded by people who don't know the facts and they all ignore me, no matter how many times I post the answers. Posting in big, red text might catch some eyes, but it makes you look obnoxious.

I guess when people are determined to be ignorant, you can't help much, but maybe you can help a little bit.